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[duckley]

I am a level 18 Rogue. I don't use the tactical combat stuff - so i just expect my companions to do their own thing. But I need help! I also hate messing with the crafting stuff. Just prefer to buy the best armor.

 

1. Can you tell me the ideal party to take to kill dragons.
2. Are there specific abilities the companions or I need to have
3. Which dragon should I start with.
4. I need armor that resist fire or cold. Where can I find this or how do I make it?
5. What instructions do I need to give the party members in terms of their behaviour.

[caradoc2000]

Can you tell me the ideal party to take to kill dragons.

I prefer a tank (Cassandra), IB and two mages

Are there specific abilities the companions or I need to have

Something to utilize the dragon's weakness.

Which dragon should I start with.

The easiest are the Hinterlands dragon and the Crestwood dragon

I need armor that resist fire or cold. Where can I find this or how do I make it?

Resistance armors are easy to make. Check the crafting table for the required materials. There are plenty of resistance belts and tonics (recipes available in Val Royeaux). Finally, the Solasan temple in the Forbidden Oasis boosts your resistances (you need shards to unlock the areas there).

[KennyKoerperich]

1. Can you tell me the ideal party to take to kill dragons: 

 

I'm playing NM Archer

 

Cassandra(Sword & Board) - Solas (Full Speciality/Barrier/ Ice Skill) - Vivienne ( Knight Enchanter/Barrier/Ice/Fire) - Myself Archer

1. Are there specific abilities the companions or I need to have:

Cassandra Full Templar, First Sword Move, Challenge, Shield Block, Row of passives

Solas All Specialty maxed, Barrier, Ice/Passive to regen faster

Vivienne Knight Enchanter minus lowest skill on chart, Barrier, Ice, First fire skill on right side of tree, Ice passive for quick regen

 

1. Which dragon should I start with:

l have killed Hinterlands, Crestwood and West(Abyssal Dragon) and I just turned 15

1. I need armor that resist fire or cold. Where can I find this or how do I make it?

I have no resistances...just dodge a lot or hope I get barrier from Viv....

1. What instructions do I need to give the party members in terms of their behaviour.

I set all skills I want to Favorite. I have Solas defending Cassandra. Cassandra Follow me. Viv defend me......And yes I fav'd her sword move and she does use it...not a lot but enough to help win hehe....

 

 

Only use tac cam the second dragon spawns..... Put 1 char per leg.....and let them go to work....And I shoot from a distance.....

 

Hope this gives you some idea's.

 

[Kantr]

The Abyssal High Dragon is only level 12.

[caradoc2000]

The Abyssal High Dragon is only level 12.

But it is gated by a long-ish series of quests.

[Kantr]

But it is gated by a long-ish series of quests.

True.

[Jevoney]

The Abyssal High Dragon is only level 12.

Might be level dependent just fought her last night at western approach and she was level 15 I was however 21 at the time.

 

Also if you have confusion grenade available they are great for the little dragons some of the bigger ones summon!

[Kantr]

Might be level dependent just fought her last night at western approach and she was level 15 I was however 21 at the time.

Interesting. I'm pretty sure I was about 18 when I fought her. I might be wrong about the level tho

[Vladislaus1982]

for me I am playing as a sword&board warrior, I travel most of the time with Cassandra as a S&B as well, Varric or Sera as archers and Solus full specialty and barrier and then some into ice.

 

I have the extra potion slot upgrade and on Cassandra I use the Pitch Grenade, my character the Antivan Fire, on Varric/Sera Jar of Bees, and a Confusion Grenade on Solus.

 

Try to have your focus max'ed so the special ability can be used. I stack them at the start of the fight by using the tactical overlay, Pull of the Void, Rally, Rain of Fire, and my archers' one. After those are use open the tactical overlay again and use all the grenades except for the Confusion.

 

At your level I would say most of the dragons would be down to 50-60% health in a matter of seconds just doing that.

 

I do not focus on or even really care about the fire/ice/lightning resistance on my guys. I keep my ranged away from the dragon out of reach of their melee and breath attacks, while keeping barrier up on my melee by using on cooldown. It would be rare if your team barely even hits 70% health like this.

 

I know some will say two S&B is ridiculous on the dragons that summon adds my character picks them up while Cassandra stays on the dragon. Also, if you are crafting your own runes and weapons you can make 1 handed weapons that are close to the damage of 2-handed ones. for example the 1H axe I make with rune is sitting at 344 damage while the 2H axe is 382. Yes there is a 38 damage difference but the shields I am using added another 44 armor so the tanks are like walking fortresses.

[caradoc2000]

on Varric/Sera Jar of Bees.

Jar-Jar of Beenks is indeed surprisingly good

[xelander]

Spec out Blackwall with full Champion and SnS passives, equip him with the best armor and shield you have and the relevant resistance tonic. Set Walking Fortress and To The Death to preferred. The rest of the team should be ideally DPSers, to make the fight short and deal quickly with add-ins (if the specific dragon has any).

 

If you want to be extra cheesy, bring Sera and Cole as archers. Flask of Lightning and Mark of Death set to preferred.

[Kevorka]

Have you tried making custom dragon armor for each one? Getting resent belts also helps.

[stardazzled]

I am pretty sure that the dragons have a level-lock, that locks their level when you encounter them first. My Vinsomer/Storm Coast is lv. 19 and pretty ugly (you really need electricity resistance) and this could have happened because I already was level 20 when I first entered her island/lair and right-clicked or use tact cam her to check her stats. The Prima guide talks about a lv. 16 Vinsomer.

 

Frostback/Hinterlands lv. 12

Abyssal/Approach lv. 14

Hunter/Crestwood lv. 13

Stormrider/Plains lv. 15

Mistral/Graves lv. 17

Howler/Wastes lv. 20

Emprise: Hivernal lv. 19, Kaltenzahn lv. 21,  Ravager lv. 23.

 

I will try to take out the Howler next, because Vinsomer is giving me a hard time and the Ravager might still be too big. Thank you for the setup hints.

[EpicOblivion25]

I try and take out dragons a couple levels above their level. On Nightmare difficulty, I usually do it 3 levels above so you get XP still and you have the best chance. Use the level chart stardazzled posted above me. I have noticed (for me, at least) the best group setup for dragon slaying is:

 

Tank: Cassandra or Blackwall (I usually used Cassandra)

Melee: Iron Bull or Cole (I usually used Iron Bull)

Mage: Dorian or Solas (I usually used Dorian)

Ranged: Varrick or Sera (I usually used Varrick)

 

Obviously, whatever class you are, substitue yourself in thar position and get the rest. For Nightmare, I was a Rogue > Archer and did pretty well, so I did not need a ranged class.

 

The last couple dragons will be the toughest since they are level 21 and level 23 and the highest level I got to in Normal was level 23 and that was a bit of a challenge on its own. I have not beaten either yet on Nightmare.

[Feranel]

I'd caveat that Blackwall with TtD set to preferred is the ideal tank for Dragon encounters, unless you are a champion yourself.

[Ferocious7]

I try and take out dragons a couple levels above their level. On Nightmare difficulty, I usually do it 3 levels above so you get XP still and you have the best chance. Use the level chart stardazzled posted above me. I have noticed (for me, at least) the best group setup for dragon slaying is:

 

Tank: Cassandra or Blackwall (I usually used Cassandra)

Melee: Iron Bull or Cole (I usually used Iron Bull)

Mage: Dorian or Solas (I usually used Dorian)

Ranged: Varrick or Sera (I usually used Varrick)

 

Obviously, whatever class you are, substitue yourself in thar position and get the rest. For Nightmare, I was a Rogue > Archer and did pretty well, so I did not need a ranged class.

 

The last couple dragons will be the toughest since they are level 21 and level 23 and the highest level I got to in Normal was level 23 and that was a bit of a challenge on its own. I have not beaten either yet on Nightmare.

 

 

Very similar for me.  My character is a Mage so I don't bring any other mages along.  I bring Cassandra, Bull, and Sera.  I haven't had issues with dragons and I don't use tactical camera.. it may be nice for some but I prefer real-time fighting.

 

OP:  You may want to begin crafting or buying armor that has +2 or +3 guard on each hit made by my followers (+5 is ideal but honestly feels like overkill so it's not necessary).  I cast barrier on whoever needs it and I have the passive that builds it on my own character based on the damage I do --- which is quite often consistently maxed out thanks to my preference in spell rotations.

 

I could put the +5 guard on myself but I haven't found a reason to.  I also keep Fade Step ready for those moments a Dragon is using a homing projectile against me --- Fade Step = avoid.   I have also upgraded Fade Step for encounters with multiple enemies at once.  It is very strategic in real time if used properly.

 

I also have not used a single guide and avoided spoilers until after I completed quests, dragon fights, etc.. since I enjoy learning it on my own.   Given that, I have crafted my armor to have the highest possible resist in each field.... it may sound wonky but I don't need to change my armor for different fights.. I just go in and fight.  That may or may not work for you but it's definitely a viable option if you like to play prepared for all situations.  If one thing is giving you more trouble than another however then obviously it's best to prepare for whatever that is (ie stacking as much Fire Resist as possible) --- although for me personally I would rather be prepared for all situations by a decent amount instead of overkill protection against something specific.

[Ferocious7]

Additionally as others have said, you CAN make Blackwell a tanking powerhouse... however it just was not so fun for me.  I'm already a Knight Enchanter for the passives (no room on the bar for my mage as a Rift Mage or Necromancer and I feel Knight Enchanter has the most useful passives ---- I rely on my own character more than anyone in the party and prefer it that way).  I don't like to micro-manage my followers either unless they are doing things they shouldn't be or reacting/acting to a fight in a manner that is not in line with how I like to do it.  Typically that is not the case, Bioware has crafted some pretty good AI for the followers for the followers.

[Daishar Vneef]

I've killed all the dragons, for the second time, and I can not emphasize how much crafting gear gives you a big advantage. I have three different types of weapons and upgrades I've made just so I can have fire, ice or lightning resistance when I need it and have weapons with fire, ice or spirit runes on them to hurt different dragons. I do the same for my companions I bring also, usually Casandra, Solace and Vivienne since she has that focus Knight-Enchanter ability; which is useful. 

[OG Swift]

I have killed 8 out of 10 dragons so far -

 

Remaining dragons are the one in Hissing Wasted (didn't visit location yet) and Ravager in Emprise... he is giving me a real pain because of stupid AI.

 

Ravager is probably the worst because he is Fire dragon (so when he hurls fireball the fire lasts really long on the ground dealing dmg / preventing revival), he casts armor and he calls for youngsters.

 

The problems with AI are following - when dragon casts meteor shower (or what is it), all party members suddenly stop fighting and run towards controlled character, usually ending up with running inside circle that you just left. The second problem is with fireballs leaving fire on the ground causing panic so when dragon change position, he usually throw one or two fireballs on the tank, hits, tank panics and after that he runs inside that fire pit again only to repeat those steps. The second option is, when you try to change position, AI controlled characters stop doing what are they doing and run towards controlled character, getting together to be easily burned down by a single fireball.

 

I suppose it required lot of manual allocation but I am having problems with that as the time sometimes starts moving during switching characters ruining it all.

 

 

In general, dragons are tough early in the game when you have not good equipment and skills and also requires some skill when using ranged characters due to whirlwind periodically nuking all weaklings. I personally play with tank (BW) + archer (Sera) + 2 mages (spirit healer + Dorian Fire/Necro).