It was crying over a shattered belief.
Lol I'm well aware.
Disappointments are a part of life. Too many up ahead to shed tears for fake history. Especially when the ancient elves being assholes doesn't mean modern elves deserve to be oppressed like some people here suggest. Like I said, this changes nothing.
It was crying over a shattered belief.
I kinda prefer being p*ssed off to crying.
Glad they crushed the whole: "Elves are perfect and innocent victims" thing and confirm that they are idiots just like the rest. Except they are bigger idiots because they actually destroyed themselves.
The funny part is that the Elves destroyed themselves twice. First with the fall of Arlathan and latter with the Dales. Oh iorny, thou are a most cruel mistress.
I do enjoy that it knocks their "smug sense of superiority" down a peg.
The funny part is that the Elves destroyed themselves twice. First with the fall of Arlathan and latter with the Dales. Oh iorny, thou are a most cruel mistress.
I don't think the elven servants pulling a Snowpiercer against the Dreamers who ruled Arlathan changes how Tevinter took advantage of the situation and enslaved them.
Also, the inception of the war between the Dales and Orlais wasn't one-sided, and it's precisely the reason that Keeper Hawen and his clan admit that humans and elves both played a part in causing the war.
Lol I'm well aware.
Disappointments are a part of life. Too many up ahead to shed tears for fake history. Especially when the ancient elves being assholes doesn't mean modern elves deserve to be oppressed like some people here suggest. Like I said, this changes nothing.
Who said I thought that modern elves deserved to be oppressed. They way I see it is the elves are one's who are causing their own problems and ignore so they can tell themselves their victims.
I kinda prefer being p*ssed off to crying.
I was too broken to be pissed off. More like despair.
Who said I thought that modern elves deserved to be oppressed. They way I see it is the elves are one's who are causing their own problems and ignore so they can tell themselves their victims.
The Dalish face modern problems in present day Thedas, and I don't think it warrants the treatment towards them. Their religion has been criminalized by the Chantry, human lords or groups of humans will attack the clan if they stay too long in one region, and templars pursue the clans. It's not exactly a conducive environment for the Dalish clans to be immediately trusting of outsiders who they come across. It's the reason why some Dalish are hostile to outsiders.
That's arguable, Tevinter still conquered Elven lands, enslaved them, caused the quickening etc. it's just because of elven external strife they were in no position I fight back.The funny part is that the Elves destroyed themselves twice. First with the fall of Arlathan and latter with the Dales. Oh iorny, thou are a most cruel mistress.
Who said I thought that modern elves deserved to be oppressed. They way I see it is the elves are one's who are causing their own problems and ignore so they can tell themselves their victims.
No one. But that's a topic that was discussed here, and partly why it was, along with just general elven arrogance.
I'm saying beyond the arrogance bit, this changes nothing.
You could, instead, look at what could be accomplished because of an elven main character. Inquisitor Lavellan commands the Inquisition and can establish Skyhold as a place where Dalish and Andrastian elves can work together; the organization can become powerful enough to sway nations; Inquisitor Lavellan can forge an alliance with Briala that places an elf on the throne, gives rights to the Orlesian elves, and intimidates the nobles who oppose her; last but not least, the Dalish protagonist can assist Clan Lavellan in saving the humans and elves of Wycome that leads to Keeper Deshanna Istimaethoriel becoming a leader of the city-state.
You do understand the the dalish need to be able to say they are also at fault for that to ever start. I'm not say elves don't need to better themselves because they really need to. What the elves need to do is stop living in the past and feeling sorry for themselves and make better the world they live to day. All th dalish living in the wild are help no one, not even themselves. My faith in the elves was not crush only my faith of what they were
That's arguable, Tevinter still conquered Elven lands, enslaved them, caused the quickening etc. it's just because of elven external strife they were in no position I fight back.
And the Elves certainly didn't destroy halamshiral, they gave the Orlaisians a cassis belli, but the shittershattering can be credited to orlais.
First of all Tevinter did not cause there quickening. Who ever closed of the veil did. And the issue is that the action of the elves lead to them being taken down.
The Dalish face modern problems in present day Thedas, and I don't think it warrants the treatment towards them. Their religion has been criminalized by the Chantry, human lords or groups of humans will attack the clan if they stay too long in one region, and templars pursue the clans. It's not exactly a conducive environment for the Dalish clans to be immediately trusting of outsiders who they come across. It's the reason why some Dalish are hostile to outsiders.
And all that ties back to when they watched from the side line during the second blight. Yes, the chanrty has fault in this but the elves do have fault in it as well.
We still don't have all the information. The Arcane Warrior suggests that there were places where humans and elves lived together in ancient times, but then they were all slaughtered somehow, with the AW putting himself in a bauble to "survive" or whatever.
The elves also helped free themselves with Andraste and Briala's elves are no longer being push overs. The Elves have their victories... although, one has to look outside the Dalish... Well, the Dalish are great at finding old knowledge and keeping some old knowledge, if not 100% correct history. Some of the Dalish in the more harsher wilds are probably as tough and deadly as the Avvar.
Well, the Dalish are great at finding old knowledge and keeping some old knowledge, if not 100% correct history. Some of the Dalish in the more harsher wilds are probably as tough and deadly as the Avvar.
That old knowledge has helped no one and narrow their views too close to the ground.
You do understand the the dalish need to be able to say they are also at fault for that to ever start. I'm not say elves don't need to better themselves because they really need to.
I don't see how that's the case when the scroll starts with the murder of an elf by humans, and there were humans who also murdered an elf; it's not like the unit of Emerald Knights were the only ones who made a mistake. I really don't understand this need to place all the blame on the elves.
What the elves need to do is stop living in the past and feeling sorry for themselves and make better the world they live to day. All th dalish living in the wild are help no one, not even themselves. My faith in the elves was not crush only my faith of what they were
Keeper Hawen and his clan want to give a halla to Red Crossing as a peace offering. Clan Lavellan will rescue the humans in Wycome from red lyrium poisoning, and then refuse to leave (when the nobles incite hatred from the neighboring Marcher cities towards the elves) because the Andrastian elves are in danger - and their only protection are the Dalish. There's also Inquisitor Lavellan, and the Dalish who join the Inquisition to help against the threat of the Breach.
And all that ties back to when they watched from the side line during the second blight. Yes, the chanrty has fault in this but the elves do have fault in it as well.
Actually, it goes back to the issues between the Dales and Orlais, when Drakon formed the Orlesian Empire by conquering his neighbors in a series of Exalted Marches, because he wanted to establish a society under the worship of the Maker. There were issues between the Dales and Orlais that had prevented Drakon from expanding Orlais further north, into the Free Marches.
That old knowledge has helped no one and narrow their views too close to the ground.
I don't know. It has helped the Dalish survive the wilds. A Keeper being able to travel through the ground is probably helpful to get around stuff.
The Keeper specialization wasn't so bad.
While their beliefs may have narrowed their views, the knowledge of how to do magic and ancient devices is helpful. Dalish knowledge was needed to better understand Eluvians.
Edit: Morrigan had to go to the Dalish to figure it out, since no one else, outside Tevinter, could help.
I was too broken to be pissed off. More like despair.
Holy ****, lol. I'll never understand this.
I don't see how that's the case when the scroll starts with the murder of an elf by humans, and there were humans who also murdered an elf; it's not like the unit of Emerald Knights were the only ones who made a mistake. I really don't understand this need to place all the blame on the elves.
Keeper Hawen and his clan want to give a halla to Red Crossing as a peace offering. Clan Lavellan will rescue the humans in Wycome from red lyrium poisoning, and then refuse to leave (when the nobles incite hatred from the neighboring Marcher cities towards the elves) because the Andrastian elves are in danger - and their only protection are the Dalish. There's also Inquisitor Lavellan, and the Dalish who join the Inquisition to help against the threat of the Breach.
Actually, it goes back to the issues between the Dales and Orlais, when Drakon formed the Orlesian Empire by conquering his neighbors in a series of Exalted Marches, because he wanted to establish a society under the worship of the Maker. There were issues between the Dales and Orlais that had prevented Drakon from expanding Orlais further north, into the Free Marches.
1. That not my point. I'm not saying the emerald knights were the only one who made a mistake, I'm saying the emerald knights made it impossible to avoid conflict. They took it to a point were no negotiation was possible when they killed the woman in that town. They made it look like the elves were readying to attack the town.
2.And not every clan is like that. Like the antivian dalish clans or the clan in TME. Unless clans like this can take the time to be less confrontational then no progress for the dalish will happen.
3.That does not matter during a blight. Hell, the dalish even made an agreement to seen aid to warden during blights and they turned on that. The fact alone that a blight effects everyone makes the entire notion of not helping a dumb idea.
I don't know. It has helped the Dalish survive the wilds. A Keeper being able to travel through the ground is probably helpful to get around stuff.
The Keeper specialization wasn't so bad.
While their beliefs may have narrowed their views, the knowledge of how to do magic and ancient devices is helpful. Dalish knowledge was needed to better understand Eluvians.
Edit: Morrigan had to go to the Dalish to figure it out, since no one else, outside Tevinter, could help.
Well it does have it's pros and cons but too much of the dalish blindly seek it.
1. That not my point. I'm not saying the emerald knights were the only one who made a mistake, I'm saying the emerald knights made it impossible to avoid conflict. They took it to a point were no negotiation was possible when they killed the woman in that town. They made it look like the elves were readying to attack the town.
No one forced that group of humans to murder an elf (who happened to be the lover of the human who was slain) and attempt to murder the Emerald Knights. Let's also consider that templars have trespassed into the Dales prior to this incident, and the Dales didn't respond by going to war, so I don't see how war was inevitable.
2.And not every clan is like that. Like the antivian dalish clans or the clan in TME. Unless clans like this can take the time to be less confrontational then no progress for the dalish will happen.
Placing all the blame on the Dalish is incredibly silly. The Dalish are outlaws because the Chantry outlawed their religion, and the clans deal with numerous threats from Andrastian humans who either threaten them with violence or outright attack them. This is the reason Clan Lavellan traveled in the Free Marches; Lavellan's clan "travel along the borders of each city-state's territory, where Free March rulers will be less inclined to attack them, for fear of accidentally provoking neighboring cities." There are irreconcilable differences between the Dalish and the Andrastian kingdoms.
3.That does not matter during a blight. Hell, the dalish even made an agreement to seen aid to warden during blights and they turned on that. The fact alone that a blight effects everyone makes the entire notion of not helping a dumb idea.
The Dalish clans signed a treaty with the Grey Wardens, not the kingdom of the Dales.
No one forced that group of humans to murder an elf (who happened to be the lover of the human who was slain) and attempt to murder the Emerald Knights. Let's also consider that templars have trespassed into the Dales prior to this incident, and the Dales didn't respond by going to war, so I don't see how war was inevitable.
Placing all the blame on the Dalish is incredibly silly. The Dalish are outlaws because the Chantry outlawed their religion, and the clans deal with numerous threats from Andrastian humans who either threaten them with violence or outright attack them. This is the reason Clan Lavellan traveled in the Free Marches; Lavellan's clan "travel along the borders of each city-state's territory, where Free March rulers will be less inclined to attack them, for fear of accidentally provoking neighboring cities." There are irreconcilable differences between the Dalish and the Andrastian kingdoms.
The Dalish clans signed a treaty with the Grey Wardens, not the kingdom of the Dales.
1.Those himan thought he did it. Remeber the woman kill broke the last straw. Added, not every human is part of the same group unlike the emerald knight who represents the military might of the elves of the dales.
2.And yet we still have dalish clans who can still very welcoming as well as cautious. Sure the chantry antagonized them but them fallowing suit added more to the chantry's point. The point is that there need a start point for peace and it won't happen as long as the dalish think they are 100% right in the battle of the dales.
3. Reguardless it's still a dumb I idea for them not to help in someway.
Of course Lob would say the elves aren't to blame for anything. And if he admits they did something wrong (such a harsh word), then it's because humans provoked them.
No one forced that group of humans to murder an elf.
And no one forced that elf to arrow a human because she was running in the woods towards her.
It's not like it was an uncomplicated case of a murder being the sole reason for the war, imo. 
Both sides didn't exactly seem to work strenously at staying out of conflict.
The Dalish have my utmost respect for steadfastly believing in their gods and refusing to bend knee to one god.
After all, that is the real crux of the situation and basis for any argument, no matter what argument; albeit circular and unending. At the forefront before any gauntlet or dagger is thrown; any arrow loosed, there are those who will not be broken. There are those who will continue to fight for the right to worship the "god" or "gods" of their choice.
I can say living in the US, a country that has a 97+% Monotheistic populace when you do not, is not easy, even in 2015.
I guess that puts me proudly on the Pro-Dalish brigade...Oorah!
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