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[Steelcan]

Their blood writing is even literally a "Property of" slave marking stamped into their faces. 

you can't decide on a name can you

[LOLandStuff]

You have it backwards.

 

A human women was murdered by Emerald Knights.

 

She must've been quite the looker.

[LobselVith8]

A specific set of circumstances. I would not expect this to have massive impact on Dalish-Human relations.

 

In fact, I would say that the future looks fairly grim, as we know that we will be turning north after this game. Hard to see how elven rights will be relevant in Tevinter or Antiva.

 

I doubt it'll impact regions outside of the Dales, Orlais, or Ferelden, but I see it as optimistic for the regions we've visited as the Inquisitor. In addition to an elven Inquisitor and the implications of one of the People leading the Inquisition, Orlais can come under the rule of Briala, who will help the Orlesian elves.

[Xilizhra]

Their blood writing is even literally a "Property of" slave marking stamped into their faces. 

Property of gods. From what we see at the Temple of Mythal, it doesn't seem any different than the way the Dalish use them with the exception that the gods were hanging around in Arlathan.

[TEWR]

in origin yes, but its clearly not an elven structure and hasn't been for ages

 

True enough, since it has architectural styles from all over the map. It's an amalgam of Thedas' society. Fitting the Inquisition would claim it, what with their various alliances.

[ArvinDulku]

 

It's not cold-blooded murder when you're directly responding to an attack. The humans of Red Crossing attacked the Dalish despite being seriously outnumbered and got themselves slaughtered, the Dalish didn't just go to Red Crossing with the intention of killing everyone.
 
Also of note, the codex entry about the Exalted March of the Dales: "The likely truth is that the elves merely wished to maintain sovereignty over lands promised to them by Blessed Andraste herself, when the humans showed clear intent to undermine their autonomy."
 
"The Chantry's response to the elven aggression that resulted in the slaughter of hundreds was predictable. But in light of my thesis, perhaps we should reexamine the events of Red Crossing and wonder if the attack was truly unprovoked. Or whether it is possible that someone saw benefit in sacrificing an entire village to justify the subjugation of an entire people."
 
And consider that the codex entry on Red Crossing told us that this all started with the murder of an elven woman by human hunters.

No, the codex told us that a bunch of Emerald Knights (who are considered the Elite soldiers btw) crossed the border, killed a sister for blatantly racist reasons and then proceded to butcher an entire town of villagers (wow, simple town folks vs elite soldiers armed to the teeth, so scary) who had indeed attacked them upon discovering hostile elves has invaded their town to kill one of their own.

That is fact, and quoting a contrary chantry scholar (who is proven wrong by what we discover btw) doesn't strengthen your argument as much as you seem to think it does.

[Dark Helmet]

I doubt it'll impact regions outside of the Dales, Orlais, or Ferelden, but I see it as optimistic for the regions we've visited as the Inquisitor. In addition to an elven Inquisitor and the implications of one of the People leading the Inquisition, Orlais can come under the rule of Briala, who will help the Orlesian elves.

 

Orlais and Ferelden Lob.

 

The Dales is just a province of the Empire.

[Br3admax]

you can't decide on a name can you

I googled searched it. You have no idea how ironic it is. 

[Evamitchelle]

got an explanation that isn't the equivalent of 9/11 trutherism?

 
We're not talking about real history here, I doubt the devs spend their time writing 100% false codex entries with no clear hint of bias (unlike the Gisharel entries for example). And as far as theories go I'd say this one is pretty reasonable considering we're talking about an Orlais/Chantry combo, aka Thedas' #1 invaders since the Divine Age. 
 

You have it backwards.

 

A human women was murdered by Emerald Knights.

 

No I don't. "As always, their Chantry was swift to spread lies. In haste and anger, they killed Siona's sister for wandering too near the Hunters' path." Elandrin's human lover being killed happens after that. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Property of gods. From what we see at the Temple of Mythal, it doesn't seem any different than the way the Dalish use them with the exception that the gods were hanging around in Arlathan.

The fact that they are cool with worshiping literal slave owners is pretty bad in and of itself.

[TheJediSaint]

She must've been quite the looker.

Probably a Chantry plot to seduce the noble Emerald Knights with their army of seductive Chantry sisters.  The Dales really had no choice but to use violence.  The humans had too much sexy.

[LOLandStuff]

Aren't those overpowered elves wannabe gods anyway?

[SgtSteel91]

I don't see why people are getting pissy.

 

The Dalish send an apology Halla after finding out the truth, what more do you want?

[Steelcan]

I googled searched it. You have no idea how ironic it is. 

>.>

 

 

not going there

[ArvinDulku]

 

No I don't. "As always, their Chantry was swift to spread lies. In haste and anger, they killed Siona's sister for wandering too near the Hunters' path." Elandrin's human lover being killed happens after that.

 
Oh no, that happened, and even then I have no idea how it happned.

Could have been an accident for all you or I know, and you can't prove otherwise.

And considering that was NOT the reason they went to Red Crossing, it thus has no bearing on the overt savagery they then commited.

No way around that mate.

[Dark Helmet]

Probably a Chantry plot to seduce the noble Emerald Knights with their army of seductive Chantry sisters.  The Dales really had no choice but to use violence.  The humans had too much sexy.

 

Those filthy humans were trying to ruin Elven racial purity! Fire and Death can be the only answer to heresy such as that!

[Steelcan]

Orlais and Ferelden Lob.

 

The Dales is just a province of the Empire.

the fact that the "freemen of the Dales" are apparently exclusively human speaks volumes

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I don't see why people are getting pissy.

 

The Dalish send an apology Halla after finding out the truth, what more do you want?

Then not blaming the humans for a war the Dales started would be a good start. 

[TheJediSaint]

Those filthy humans were trying to ruin Elven racial purity! Fire and Death can be the only answer to heresy such as that!

 

Human sexiness is the most insidious weapon in the Chantry's arsenal.

[Xilizhra]

the fact that the "freemen of the Dales" are apparently exclusively human speaks volumes

They're army deserters who want to take over the Dales because it's more sparsely defended.

 

Also, they're Corypheus' stooges.

[Evamitchelle]

 

No, the codex told us that a bunch of Emerald Knights (who are considered the Elite soldiers btw) crossed the border, killed a sister for blatantly racust reasons and then proceded to butcher an entire town of villagers (wow, simple town folks vs elite soldiers armed to the teeth, so scary) who has indeed attacked them upon discovering hostile elves has invaded their town to kill one of their own.

That is fact, and quoting a contrary chantry scholar (who is proven wrong by what we discover btw) doesn't strengthen your argument as much as you sem to think it does.

 

Read the codex entry again. The humans killed an elven woman, her sister was Siona, her brother Elandrin. Elandrin fell in love with a human woman, and was going to fake-convert so they could be together. Siona saw Elandrin and his lover together, told the others Elandrin was gonna betray them and convert. Siona and the Emerald Knights went to Red Crossing to confront Elandrin to either bring hum back/bring him to justice. Elandrin's lover saw them, ran towards them with "a cry on her lips and something in her hand" and Siona shot her with an arrow. The men of the village then ran out and attacked the Dalish, but were "no match". 

 

They went to Red Crossing to get Elandrin back, not to murder his lover. 

 

And the quote I provided isn't from a Chantry scholar, it's an unknown author, published by the University of Orlais in 9:12 Dragon. 

[Aimi]

I always hated it when my history assignments required primary sources.

 
There are other kinds of history assignments? Where'd you go to school?
 

bloody research paper I turned in today, bloody Cassius Dio, bloody Paterculus

 
At least Roman historians were terrible in predictable ways. Tendentious moralizing, obvious handjobs for their patron's feelings, no real knowledge of anything happening to poor people or women on either side of the frontier, embarrassingly stock battle narratives that didn't actually describe events, hilariously inflated numbers for the sizes of military units, and speeches invented out of whole cloth based on how the historian wanted the figure he was discussing to appear.

And since Velleius Paterculus and Cassius Dio were "Silver Age" historians, you can add in "godawful purple prose and ponderous rhetorical constructs" to the list as well.

I finished a paper a few days ago on the historiography of King Amalric of Jerusalem's Egyptian expeditions. Wading through Ibn al-Athir's Kamil fi'l Tarikh is just about the worst thing.

[Steelcan]

They're army deserters who want to take over the Dales because it's more sparsely defended.

 

Also, they're Corypheus' stooges.

the fact there is no elven movement to reclaim the Dales is what I meant

[LobselVith8]

 No I don't. "As always, their Chantry was swift to spread lies. In haste and anger, they killed Siona's sister for wandering too near the Hunters' path." Elandrin's human lover being killed happens after that. 

 

Which explains why Keeper Hawren and the Dalish say that humans and elves both played a part in the war between the Dales and the Chantry, after "The Knight's Tomb".

[TheJediSaint]

the fact that the "freemen of the Dales" are apparently exclusively human speaks volumes

All the rebellious elves got killed off in TME.  I think it took the Imperial Army a whole hour to do it.