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Finally, we know what happened at the Red Crossing.


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#176
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"Elandrin, our brother.


Falon'Din guide you. Maker guide you.

Let here the truth be kept, lest you be remembered a traitor, or our sorrow seem a passing woe.

Though you swore to serve our people, there were those questioning your heart.

Too often had we fought with humans along our borders until the beginning was lost to memory. Rumors of an abduction stirred. As always, their Chantry was swift to spread lies. In haste and anger, they killed Siona's sister for wandering too near the hunters' path. You carried her body back to us, you mourned with us—yet your heart was distracted. Siona begged for vengeance and you turned away.

More and more you vanished without word or explanation. When whispers rose that you would swear yourself to their Maker, we feared what would come.

Siona sought to save you, to bring you back to us. She had lost a sister, must she also lose a brother? Beneath the trees she saw you with a woman, the one who turned you from us. The woman gestured toward the village. You and she turned to gaze upon the Chantry's walls.

Siona returned. She told us how humans were turning you against us. How their lies must have filled you. As a loyal servant to the Maker's cause, you would betray our secrets. When we went to ask if there was truth in this, you were already gone.

So we sought to stop you. With haste, Siona led here people to the village. There we would challenge you. There we would bring you back to us... or to justice. In the dim of a moonless night, she saw Siona through the trees. She raced toward Siona, a cry on her lips and something in her hand. Siona's arrow flew. So the woman fell, the name "Elandrin" dying on her lips, daisies slipping from her grasp.

The men of the village suspected the girl's flight, and heard the scream. They fell upon the elves, but were no match.

Siona's haste surpassed your own. You knelt beneath the trees, blood-soaked petals clinging to your clothes from a final embrace. When more humans came, you would not be moved—and they would not listen. Their arrows found your heart and you fell beside her. We found your body in the river where they cast you aside. She was taken by her own. It was not the end, but your part is past.

Rest now as our honored brother once more. A wreath of daisies at your brow, the letter she carried in your hand. Whoever guides you, whoever guides her, may your souls meet once more in the beyond.

Faded blood stains the letter:

Adalene,

What care have I for gods I have never seen, for a Maker I do not know? Let others distract themselves with such lofty concerns. I know only this life, I have seen only this world, and I care only for you.

Perhaps your priestess distrusts the sincerity of "uncivilized" elves. If she must hear me say I will follow the Maker, so be it. You god intercedes as much as ours. My life will not change.

I will return in two weeks' time. My heart longs for you 'till then, and will remain with you forever after.

Elandrin"

 

here people, have the codex we get from the quest. Read it and stop acting like the Elves of the Dales are 100% at fault. or if no one's acted as such yet, then i'm posting this preemptively. both sides are to blame.

 

We finally know what happened at Red Crossing, and it's not as black or white as some people make it out to be. Kudos, TEWR.



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I'm just laughing that the Dalish figure that the apology of the slaughter of an entire village of people is worth one Halla.

not to mention the start of a war on scale with the Exalted Marches on tevinter



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Personally, I think it's unethical to use the Inquisition for issues that can't be justified by its original remit, and partisan cultural issues are sort of that. However, acting as an attempted bridge between the Dalish and the Andrastians is totally fine.


That is both a partisan cultural issue and outside the Inquisition's original remit.

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I bet lots of people didn't expect to learn the elves of Arlathan destroyed themselves.

 

It was nice learning that. Shows elves are also people, in the end. 

 

Everybody commits stupid mistakes. They just don't like to admit it.  :P



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We finally know what happened at Red Crossing, and it's not as black or white as some people make it out to be. Kudos, TEWR.

>innocent human killed

>her attacker is killed

>better burn the town

 

#Dalishlogic


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We finally know what happened at Red Crossing, and it's not as black or white as some people make it out to be. Kudos, TEWR.


...Sometimes, I feel like I am not actually...actually, no, I am not gonna go there.

But again, it is black and white, stupid elves caused stupid and basically humped themselves, it's right there.

It could not be more obvious and in your face.

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So what you're saying the fact they butchered an entire town is a okay and/or not cold blooded, cause the go to excuse is "Gee whiz, we definately did mean to THAT! Hugs?".

 

Seriously?

 

...

 

Allrighty then. :mellow:

 

First can I get an actual source on "butchered an entire town" ? All I'm getting in codex entries (human-biased ones) is that the Dalish attacked Red Crossing, not that they literally killed everyone in the village. Second, I'm not saying what happened is okay, I'm saying it wasn't an unprovoked attack by bloodthirsty Dalish on defenseless human peasants. Since the Chantry uses Red Crossing as an excuse for to try and wipe out elven culture, I think it's an important distinction to make.

 

 

Yes it would have. Some random elf woman got jealous her "brother" was going to sully his bloodline with smexy human genes, so she got pissed, got her friends, they killed her. They killed the people who saw them kill her. Then the human killed the one they saw surrounded by bodies and covered in blood, and instead of admitting they were wrong, they sacked the town and killed everyone. 

 

I'm not talking to you, tbh. But the question is the same. There is no "pro-Dalish" Inquisition. Just a bro Dalish Inquisitor. 

 

 

Correction: Some random elf woman whose sister had just been murdered. I'm finding it very weird that people here keep ignoring the elven woman's death when they give the human woman's death so much importance. Especially when the codex entry doesn't exactly make it sound like premeditated murder ("she raced towards Siona with a cry on her lips and something in her hand. Siona's arrow flew."), while the elven woman's death sounds a lot more deliberate ("rumors of an abduction stirred. As always their Chantry was swift to spread lies. In haste and anger they killed Siona's sister for wandering too near the Hunters' path"). 


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not to mention the start of a war on scale with the Exalted Marches on tevinter

Oh, they haven't apologized for cutting a swath of death and desctruction through Orlais yet. But I bet they'll be generous and say two Halla will cover it. 



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It's still glaringly stupid, cultural or otherwise.

And the Invasion that happened because the Elves enacted an unprovoked act of war...actually, wait, the Elves the ones pushing into Orlais and burning cities. The Exalted March was called after that. Why would I have anything to say about Orlais?  
 

Was it redundantly stupid? Of course.

Does it have any bearing on what was to come? Nope, cause the Elves already began the war with their little act of savagery.

Your point?

 

Except the Elves didn't make a formal declaration of war.

 

Was what they did awful? Yes, no one is contesting that. Are they solely at fault? No, not really.

 

Because everyone acted hastily and with vengeance on their mind.

 

As for Orlais, I wasn't talking specifically about the Exalted March of the Dales, but rather about their mentality as a whole. Look at Nevarra, Kirkwall, Ferelden. They've repeated the pattern. They invade, they conquer, they repress, and promise not to do it again. Only they do it again, either to a different nation or, in the case of Gaspard, to someone they've done it to before.


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Does it matter? The Dales are gone. If you look at the Temple of the Emerald Knight's ruin you see childrens skeletons. Also, the above was a chantry (had Andraste statues and those pews)

Let's not forget Orlais being Orlais

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clearly the Inquisition should dedicate itself to the distribution of cheese across Thedas



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I'm just laughing that the Dalish figure that the apology of the slaughter of an entire village of people is worth one Halla.

How much can one clan that was never personally involved really give to a village whose people were never personally involved?


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Yes she did. She then went back to the other elves and saying he was being taken away by the humans. She felt betrayed, "She had already lost a sister. Must she also lose a brother?"

Go read the codex entry again. You need a refresher. 

 

None of that says, in any way shape or form, that they knew he was getting funky with a human woman.

 

You're the one who needs a refresher.



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That is both a partisan cultural issue and outside the Inquisition's original remit.

"Promoting stability in Thedas" seems to cover it.



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>innocent human killed

>her attacker is killed

>better burn the town

 

#Dalishlogic

 

You forgot >innocent elven woman killed and >innocent human's elven lover killed and his body left to rot in that summary of yours. 


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Oh, they haven't apologized for cutting a swath of death and desctruction through Orlais yet. But I bet they'll be generous and say two Halla will cover it. 

 

nah, they got there's for that



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>innocent human killed
>her attacker is killed
>better burn the town
 
#Dalishlogic

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How much can one clan that was never personally involved really give to a village whose people were never personally involved?

I already answered that.

They and the other clans can stop blaming the wrong side for starting the war and actually own up to the fact that the Dales were the ones who started it. 



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You forgot >innocent elven woman killed and >innocent human's elven lover killed and his body left to rot in that summary of yours. 

the end result and the start are still the same, elf killed human, elves burned down a town



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How much can one clan that was never personally involved really give to a village whose people were never personally involved?

 

I can at least agree that more mourning halla should be given, one from each clan. Halla are prized amongst the Dalish and necessary for their way of life, so it's both a great cultural act of significance and also something they can't do liberally.

 

A deal where each clan gives one halla as a sign of apology would go a long way towards diplomatic relations. I would just hope the humans don't abuse it and kill all the halla for their horns and skin.



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n the case of Gaspard, to someone they've done it to before.

 

Not true! Good Guy Gaspard made peace with the Dog lords and turned his attention to Tevinter!

 

 



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the end result and the start are still the same, elf killed human, elves burned down a town

To ignore the fact they left their "comrade" alone surrounded by bodies and didn't stay to explain what they did. You come upon a man covered in blood surrounded by your family and tell me what you would do?



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Elves can easily become human if they trim their ears. People will just think their emaciated people; nobody can tell the difference.

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A golden halla, not just any halla.

I didn't run all over the map for nothing hurding that stupid halla to their camp.



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How much can one clan that was never personally involved really give to a village whose people were never personally involved?

 

Considering that the halla are sacred animals to the Dalish (and even believed to deliver deceased elves into the afterife), it's quite a gesture. It may mean little to humans, but the halla mean a great deal to the People. The codex reads, "No creature is more revered by the Dalish than the halla. No other animal has a god of its own. These white stags are much larger than ordinary deer, and the Dalish halla keepers carve their antlers as they grow, making them curve into intricate designs. In ancient times, these stags bore elven knights into combat, but since the fall of the Dales, they are used less as mounts and more to pull the aravels."


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