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[Brass_Buckles]

Oh hey!

 

HAPPY 100 PAGES!

[Babelas]

You aren't stirring a pot. I don't think so. I guess I'd be the one who is supposed to be angry if you were stirring said pot. I like depressive... no I'm not touching your post BB with a very long pole until I've thought it well and truly through. I've been demoted to mascot. Serelir is making me perform coffee runs, Tielis has me making the donuts, Alchemillia demands I find a band of Abelas look alikes and Vorathrad wants me to polish the armor.... again. SS has joined a cult. We can't find her.

 

100 pages and no Abelas? That's just wrong. Must fix.

 

HAPPY 100 ABELAS THREAD!

 

 

[Brass_Buckles]

I'm kind of sad 100 pages hit so soon.  I meant to have started on my political marriage Abelas fic by now.  Ah well.  Soon.

 

I have a lot of fics in my head and I want to get rolling on them.  The political marriage fic, a future!Thedas post-Trespasser fic (that will be very sad), possibly an OC-oriented fic, and maybe my own modern-person-flung-into-the-mess-that-is-Thedas fic.

 

Lots of fics.

 

And, of course, I still need time to write my original, non fan oriented, fiction.  Some of which also involves elves.  Just not the Dragon Age kind of elves...

 

But back on the topic of Abelas.

 

What do you think he'd want from a political marriage agreement?  I have my own ideas, but maybe some of you have some awesome thoughts that I wouldn't think of on my own.  I could include any really awesome ones in the fic when I start it.

 

The Inquisitor, I have to say, probably isn't too serious when she actually sends the request.  Setting will be post-Trespasser.  I think I'm going to use my planned Inquisitor, Shem'era, who normally just goes by Era.  Likely a rogue, or the world's most roguish mage.

[Alchemillia]

This is basically how I feel about things also. I love them both, for different reasons. I'd love to see everyone get along. Even if it were boring...I'm a hippy I guess..And that would be a very logical way for a potential romance to play out. Thanks for taking the time to write that Brass! Disagreements will happen its unavoidable, but for now lets just spend this glorious Sentinel Centennial (just go with it) with Love and joy and thighs!

 

 

(I am hunting for rams in the hinterlands. I cannot find anymore rams...InqAbelas tickles will have to wait until tomorrow.)

[Tielis]

100 pages!  \o/

 

As much as we all have been writing our own Abelas stories in our heads, maybe none of us has even come close to the truth!  He has shown us so little of himself, and whoever wrote him probably hasn't even given him a second thought since he or she wrote his dialogue.  He was a plot device.  (Was it even confirmed that Mr. Weekes wrote him?)

 

Anyway, all I want to say is that there are infinite possibilities to what happens to Abelas next, and we should honor them all, whether they come to pass in a game or not.

 

As far as attacking Solas, I cannot speak for Babelas, but I think what she was trying to say is that those of you who come from the Solas thread seem to view our dear sentinel as a step below Solas, simply because he has not been developed as deeply.  And he may never be developed beyond the few minutes that we actually see him, but that's okay.  The headcanon that we write here about Abelas is no less worthy than what anyone writes about any other character, Solas included.

 

I can only speak for myself as far as which romance I would prefer, because I have lived through a Solas-like romance and it took me almost a decade to finally see it for what it was.  Does this mean I do not like the character?  Not at all.  I appreciate Solas the character because he brought out many emotions in me.  That's the point of art, yes?  And I know that whoever reads this does fully believe that video games are a form of artistic expression.

 

I've said before that I have written tons of fanfiction, and I do have one elven knight character that I've been in love with for almost fifteen years.  And I'm the one who made the dude up!  I've created him in three or four different games so far and have thought about, if not written about he or his brother in each of them.  I used to think I was insane in some way because of this (and I probably am, at least a bit), but seeing how general gaming fandom has evolved over the two decades I've been a part of it, it makes me believe that there are others who deeply understand this kind of connection to a character.

 

So, please, everyone -- honor the characters for what they are, and honor our feelings for them.  We are more the same than we are different.

[Babelas]

I don't see either Solas or Abelas as necessarily more mature romances.  It does depend in no small part on how you look at them and approach them, especially as Abelas is, at this point, largely headcanon (thus there may be wrong ways to view him that are clearly not in character, but there's not really any RIGHT way to view him aside from the not-completely-wrong ones--there's a lot of room there to work with, I think you'll agree).

 

I'd say that Abelas and Solas are about on par, maturity-wise, but then I believe I look at it differently than you do.  You say you see someone who's a user (and using someone is downright abusive, in my opinion), but I see Solas coming to realize that the Inquisitor is his equal as she begins to actually wield the power that she came by--even if Solas did help with that.  He uses the Inquisition as a whole, but I don't feel he ever tried to take advantage of their relationship by playing on the Inquisitor's romantic feelings for him.  If he had, that would be less "immature," and more "completely unforgivable."  Some people see it that way, and they are welcome to--and I would totally understand why they'd hate or just not like Solas.  I don't see it that way though, so hopefully you get that, while I despise what Solas is planning to do, I can see value in the relationship between the Inquisitor and Solas.  I just wouldn't want to be in anything like that sort of mess, myself.

 

If there were to be a romance with Abelas, I think he'd be rather depressive, and I don't say that to bash the character or make light of depression.  He did rename himself Sorrow (Abelas), after all.

 

The ultimate happy ending for Abelas (in my opinion) would be deciding not to enter uthenera, but instead to live (even if he must live as a shemlen, assuming certain things do not come to pass)--a friend or a lover could convince him not to give up.  His conflict would probably have something to do with remaining bound to Mythal, and Mythal is likely to start showing her grey morality side soon (I expect her to oppose the protagonist of DA4, even if she also opposes Solas.  She's up to things, I don't doubt it.).  So, in love with protagonist, but he may have to oppose the protagonist.  If Mythal doesn't make him do it, he might have to do it of his own free will by joining Solas in order to be freed of Mythal.  A true happy ending, relationship-wise, might not be possible in light of that.  Trust issues would likely arise if he opposed you at some point while bound to Mythal--even if he were later freed.  He was loyal to her, as far as we know (though his loyalty may also have faded, and perhaps he was simply guarding the well in case the world was restored, or to keep others safe from its power and the cost thereof--we don't know).

 

I guess, long statement short, I'm just  saying:  You can like them both.  I  like them both.  There's nothing wrong with that.  And I also criticize characters I like (yes, Solas included--especially Solas--I was very hard on him after beating Trespasser, but have since come to terms with it).  I've seen jabs made about not just the characters of both threads, but the actual fans-in-general, and it's put me into an uncomfortable spot because I frequent both threads and see it on both sides.

 

Sometimes I'm kind of afraid to post in this thread--which is the main reason I haven't posted too much the last few days.  I've been pounced on as a hater in this thread a couple of times simply for stating my personal opinion or adding neutral input into a discussion, without having any hostile intentions.

 

I am the kind of fan who likes to think up theories and discuss lore.   I often try to be rational (when I'm not trying for funny or feels), and sometimes, yes, that means disagreeing with people or speaking in a neutral rather than passionate tone about the topic.  If we all 100% agreed, it'd be kind of dull, though, wouldn't it?  Even in the Solas thread (where I post quite a lot), I mostly talk about motivations and lore and how it pertains to the characterization.  I am not here to tear down anyone's headcanon (even if I disagree with your opinion it doesn't mean your opinion is invalid) or crush anyone's dreams (I'm hoping Abelas is in the next game, too--he'd be interesting, no doubt).  I like discussing characters. I'd like to see Abelas actually be fleshed out more in a future game/book.

 

I think Sable came here to discuss, too.  Sometimes people can bring interesting things to the conversation even when they disagree with you, or because they disagree with you.  Not everyone is disagreeing because they are a hater or want to cause trouble or get into an argument.  Sometimes people just... disagree.

 

Sorry if I'm stirring the pot or anything.  Just my two cents, trying to stay neutral.

 

 

Abelas probably wouldn't have commitment issues, no.  He stayed with the Well for thousands of years despite thinking Mythal was never coming back.  We don't know how much of that was because Mythal told him to and how much was simply because he felt the Well needed to be guarded (for any number of possible reasons).

 

I too would like to see a mage who turns out to be a stable, healthy romantic interest in a BioWare game.

 

However, as I noted above, that might not really be a role Abelas can fulfill, at least not without a lot of hardship beforehand.  He remains bound to Mythal.  If not Abelas, then perhaps some other Sentinel could fulfill the role?  Yes, I know it's not the same, but better than nothing, right?

I don't see either Solas or Abelas as necessarily more mature romances.  It does depend in no small part on how you look at them and approach them, especially as Abelas is, at this point, largely headcanon (thus there may be wrong ways to view him that are clearly not in character, but there's not really any RIGHT way to view him aside from the not-completely-wrong ones--there's a lot of room there to work with, I think you'll agree).

 

That's a lot of wrong and right BB. Abelas is largely headcanon at this point. So we are exploring headcanons. Why must everything be literal all of the time? This is also where things get tricky. How you see him, how I see him, how Sable sees him varies greatly even with the lore we are given. The problem for me is when people are obviously being goofy or having a laugh why must that discussion be turned into headcanon versus canon? Why can't the people who are considering what they want in say... a romance, express those desires without being chastised? When I see a discussion, I consider the context of that discussion. If people are discussing why Solas's bald head really is a solar panel for a sex machine, I'm not going to enter that discussion with canon information or explain to them why we do not know if that is canon or not. Why? Because people will resent me encroaching on their fun. It doesn't make me wrong. It makes my motivation odd. What am I trying to accomplish by doing that? I am trying to say implicitly that they are wrong for thinking it. I'm being the Qun. I'm telling people what they can and can't think. So, yes I resent it and I am unfortunately reactionary. I've had to fight to keep this thread going. I'm passionate about it. I won't apologize for that.

 

 

I'd say that Abelas and Solas are about on par, maturity-wise, but then I believe I look at it differently than you do.  You say you see someone who's a user (and using someone is downright abusive, in my opinion), but I see Solas coming to realize that the Inquisitor is his equal as she begins to actually wield the power that she came by--even if Solas did help with that.  He uses the Inquisition as a whole, but I don't feel he ever tried to take advantage of their relationship by playing on the Inquisitor's romantic feelings for him.  If he had, that would be less "immature," and more "completely unforgivable."  Some people see it that way, and they are welcome to--and I would totally understand why they'd hate or just not like Solas.  I don't see it that way though, so hopefully you get that, while I despise what Solas is planning to do, I can see value in the relationship between the Inquisitor and Solas.  I just wouldn't want to be in anything like that sort of mess, myself.

 

And you are entitled to that opinion. Hear me out on this. I'm not trying to be a b*tch. I'm just trying to explain my pov and the trend I have noticed. What happens in this thread is that there is this link between Solas and Abelas via Mythal. That becomes an invitation to discuss Solas. Solas has his own thread. Yes, we do discuss him on occasion but it's normally in relation to Abelas.  I wish there wasn't because it causes this problem. I know you are an extremely intelligent person BB. But why do you feel you must defend Solas when you know my opinion of him is static? Must I and others who do not like Solas, must we not express that opinion? Should we not be allowed to make comparisons? Because with all due respect we don't go on the Solas thread and make those comparisons. We keep it here. I appreciate you see value in his relationship with the Inquisitor. But this thread isn't about Solas. 

 

 

If there were to be a romance with Abelas, I think he'd be rather depressive, and I don't say that to bash the character or make light of depression.  He didrename himself Sorrow (Abelas), after all.

 

I agree. But I picked up on that already. I suffer from depression so for me it would just be everyday normal. I don't really think it would put anyone here off. We're all insane.

 

The ultimate happy ending for Abelas (in my opinion) would be deciding not to enter uthenera, but instead to live (even if he must live as a shemlen, assuming certain things do not come to pass)--a friend or a lover could convince him not to give up.  His conflict would probably have something to do with remaining bound to Mythal, and Mythal is likely to start showing her grey morality side soon (I expect her to oppose the protagonist of DA4, even if she also opposes Solas.  She's up to things, I don't doubt it.).  So, in love with protagonist, but he may have to oppose the protagonist.  If Mythal doesn't make him do it, he might have to do it of his own free will by joining Solas in order to be freed of Mythal.  A true happy ending, relationship-wise, might not be possible in light of that.  Trust issues would likely arise if he opposed you at some point while bound to Mythal--even if he were later freed.  He was loyal to her, as far as we know (though his loyalty may also have faded, and perhaps he was simply guarding the well in case the world was restored, or to keep others safe from its power and the cost thereof--we don't know).

 

It may well be a tragic romance. I think many of the people on the thread are just hopeful it doesn't go that route. But honestly, I'd still want him as a romance option even if it was headed that way. I'm going to say something and please don't take it the wrong way. It's been expressed to me and I agreed that sometimes some of us on this thread get the feeling that Solasmancers see us as people who are throwing a tantrum because the Solas romance didn't turn out the way we wanted or that we are just being spiteful to Solas. Believe it or not, we truly love Abelas for Abelas and not because he is connected to Solas via Mythal. It just isn't about Solas for us.

 

It's not always easy to know who intends what. Again, some of this comes about because this character gets lumped with Solas and that has been a huge problem for many of us, especially those of us who do not like Solas. 

 

 

I am the kind of fan who likes to think up theories and discuss lore.

 

So am I but I'm also the kind of fan who likes to sit back, relax and talk romance. That's what I am fighting for on here. There has to be a balance. We can't be literal all of the time. 

 

I think Sable came here to discuss, too.  Sometimes people can bring interesting things to the conversation even when they disagree with you, or becausethey disagree with you.  Not everyone is disagreeing because they are a hater or want to cause trouble or get into an argument.  Sometimes people just... disagree.

 

I'm not going to elaborate on why i reacted the way I did because it will start more arguments. This wasn't about disagreement. People disagree with me all of the time. I do not believe I am right and they are wrong. But I will defend the right of people on this thread to also chat about their hopes for the character without becoming headcanon v canon debate. We're all wrong in the end when it comes to the story. But many people come here just to express how they feel. It may not seem argumentative on the surface to tell them that isn't canon but it is because whether you know it or not you are hating on their creativity. I fight for that. 

[Babelas]

Sorry BB I just realized something... Your Solas argument was about the discussion we were having several pages back wasn't it? Sorry... I took it out of context as in a random statement. I'm sitting here naked typing this after jumping out of the shower. But I realized I had to say something. I'm tired. Basically everything Tielis said. 

 

I'd love to discuss your story with you tomorrow BB. Maybe we should have an Abelas/Solas day to promote understanding. Might end in flames... but you know it's a nice idea. Night.

[Onecrazymonkey1]

Psh the only flames here are caused by Abelas's hotness!

I'm a Solasmancer from the Solas thread but I'm also an Abelas fan simply for Abelas. Unfortunately I'm more of a lurker in both threads because most of my thoughts and ideas come out muddled and I have a difficult time expressing myself. As for what I would want with an Abelas romance if I got one, I'm not really sure but what I don't want is to be railroaded into nothing but sadness. I would like some angst and a little tragedy along the way and I do love some complex characters (Feanor was my first elven love after all)....but I would really hope for multiple closure options with different tastes taken into account. That's the one thing I really enjoyed about the Cass romance with my male Lavellan, it could end up bittersweet if you make Cass Divine but there is also an option that's just sweet as well.

Also I have some high hopes of him being a romance if we get this thread number up high enough! The Cullen, Tali and Garrus threads should serve as inspiration and give us some hope that they'll listen to their fans if we help them notice.

uhhh I'm rambling and I should probably go back to lurking until I have something meaningful to say but have some Abelas art...don't know if it's been posted or not.

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http://chococri.tumb...h-abelas-fanart

 

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http://gronnulv.devi...belas-533885167

PS Happy 100 pages!

[Brass_Buckles]

If you're going to argue that by discussing canon, at all, I am somehow infringing upon your right to live in fluffy bunny headcanon land, you have the right to do so, but you're also basically putting a wall up between you and everyone else who might actually want to discuss the character. 

 

I'm sensing a lot of hostility for doing nothing more than suggesting that maybe people just want to discuss stuff about the character that isn't necessarily just headcanon territory, and maybe that would be okay.

 

When you make people feel (as you are making me feel now, not for the first time) that they aren't even welcome to discuss the character (i.e. what we know, the lore, what might be a fairly realistic portrayal, other relatively serious topics), then you are keeping people from joining your thread and your discussion.  For most people, fanfiction and headcanon build up from canon knowledge of that setting and character.

 

And here's the thing:  I have seen this thread engage in fairly serious conversations.  But when someone tries to join in what seems to be an open discussion, the reaction is kind of: How dare you?  ... Even when nothing bad is actually said.

 

I'm reasonably sure you know by now that I'm not a hostile person to this thread, or to Abelas as a character.  If you don't know that, I'm stating it:  I don't hate the character.  I have him in my fanfic as a pretty important character.  He's basically been a party member since almost the beginning and has kept my protagonist alive.  I wouldn't be that nice to him if I hated him.

 

That said, yes, there are headcanons that are flat out wrong based on canon.  Does that mean you can't have them or write them or enjoy a little AU fun anyway?  Of course not, and I don't suggest such a thing.  It would be more than a little wrong, character-wise, if Abelas had giggled maniacally in glee at Mythal's murder.  It'd be interesting, but it would be out of character.  If you're writing fiction or giggling about some fluffy or offbeat idea you thought up in your head, you're allowed to twist it however you please--even if you want to make Abelas be secretly gleeful that Mythal is dead.  If I don't like it, I just won't read it.  If I do like it, well, congrats, you got another reader.

 

And as it seems to be claimed that I've said Solas is better, let me clear that up:  I haven't.  I don't know who did, but it wasn't me.  Is Solas more fleshed out?  Yes.  Should you feel angry at me for saying so? Well, you can, but I stated an impersonal fact with no hostile intention behind it.  You can write a more fleshed-out Abelas.  Point me toward the fic.  Maybe I will read it.  Maybe you will write a better character, and a better romance, and even a better plot, than Solas and the main DAI arc.  Can I just point out how silly it is to be angry because your favorite character isn't as fleshed out as someone else's favorite?  That's what fanfiction is for!

 

I have also repeatedly said I'd enjoy seeing Abelas more fleshed out because I believe he would be an interesting character to interact with--even if he's not a romance.  I've said that I hope that they bypass their "no returning potentially dead characters" for Abelas.  Noting that we don't know much about Abelas  is not attacking you, or your right to headcanon or write fix-fics, or hope for him to appear next game, or whatever you want to do.  It's not cruel; it isn't meant to "rub it in."  It's just a statement with no personal agenda attached.  If someone else has tried to be mean by saying these sorts of things--that's them, not me, and they apparently aren't all that great at that whole "being mean" thing in the first place if the best they can do is point out that main characters get more fleshed out than plot-important minor ones (and how childish to say "well my character's better than yours!").

 

If you feel that I just popped in to be mean to you then I'm curious to know precisely why--did something happen that I missed?  I didn't come here to stir up trouble before--and I popped in to show support very early in the history of the thread.  Why would I suddenly become hostile now?  Moreover, as someone who has indeed frequented this thread, why am I suddenly a target for the hate-on?

 

You know what I did when I thought, "Hey Abelas doesn't really have much characterization but he seemed really interesting?"  I put him in my fic, and tried to make him interesting.  I never told anyone they couldn't do the same, or that they couldn't have headcanons, or that my version of Abelas was the only correct one, or that their headcanons had to be the same as mine.  I've read versions of him that I like better than mine, and versions that I like worse.

 

I'm tired of people taking offense at everything I say in this thread, no matter how neutral or well-intended or simply discussion-oriented it might be.  I hate it when I see Solas fans bashing Abelas fans because it always seems terribly rude to me, but the kind of reception given to Solas fans in this thread is absolutely no better.  Just because I spend time in another thread, I have to be side-eyed suspiciously?  Everything I say has to be second-guessed and read with nuance that isn't even there?

 

If anyone wants to discuss this further, you may message me.  I feel like I've vented more than enough out here in the open as it is.

[Gooseberry]

 I suffer from depression so for me it would just be everyday normal. I don't really think it would put anyone here off. We're all insane.

 

 

 

 

 

Babelas, sitting in the same boat with you. If you need to talk do not hesitate to message me

 

And yes I have to agree on insanity part here when it comes to me. Mother of 3,married and grins happily on the pics that were posted last night about Abelas *shakes head and laughs*

 

 

 

 

 

[Abelas Forever!]

Happy 100 pages!

[Babelas]

SS you make me into a softy.

 

I apologize if I have hurt feelings. That is never something I intend to do. But I won't apologize for stating my opinion.

 

 Moving on... 

 

Where are the happy Abelas smile pictures we were promised?

 

I was going to post 100 Abelas pictures but I ran out of time. I'm thinking of doing something else for page 100 or perhaps we should make page 101 what we had planned for page 100? 

 

On to a weird theory. It's not canon and it not fluffy bunny. Twilight zone material maybe. Do you think because of his connection to the well that maybe Abelas was receiving information from Flemeth? Like magical Internet? The reason I'm wondering is because maybe it would have given him a better understanding of mortals. He would be seeing the world through Flemeth. I sometimes wonder if

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the fact Mythal has lived as a mortal for so long that perhaps she is empathetic to them. She understands their struggles etc

 

****

 

You know what story I want to write? How Abelas gathers together a party of female worshippers and goes adventuring.

 

Kitchen Ginger (aka talented mage who escaped the Circle and is just pretending to serve coffee so she can spy on the enemy and experiment with various herbal combinations) reporting for duty!

 

Abelas wrinkles his nose at the coffee, grabs the ginger by the forearm and snarls, "I know your secret, witch. Join my party, or I'll expose you to the angry mob."

 

He gave me no choice. I had to go with him.

 

****

 

 

Babelas (aka untalented potato peeler and inventor who serves drinks in the Hanged Man so she can admire Varric's chest.) reporting for duty!

 

Babelas spills an ale on Abelas's crotch plate and attempts to wipe it up only to be stopped by a strong elven hand and a raised eyebrow. "You dare to touch my crotch plate with your filthy Shemlen hands? Behold the sacred vestments bestowed upon me by Mythal. Join my party or I will smite you where you stand, wench."

 

He gave me no choice. I had to go with him and his female coffee serving companion. 

[Brass_Buckles]

1) Feelings not hurt; angry and annoyed.
2) Not denying others' right to opinion, however infuriated that own opinion is attacked every time regardless that own opinion is non hostile to fandom.
3) Also annoyed that people coming bearing the olive branch get driven away.
4) Feel that certain people have been oversensitive seeing and responding to attacks that are not there.

I'm tired of it and I'm out. Congrats, you drove another fan away from the thread.

[Gooseberry]

Wait Wait Babelas!!! You cannot just spill ale on His Royal Thigness!!!

 

*wishes she would have thought of it*

[Abelas Forever!]

I have been thinking. I sometimes start to discuss about Abelas and I start talking about things that I think makes sense. In other words are canon or at least I could argue that they are canon. But then I get carried away and start thinking about different possible reasons why Abelas acts like he acts for example and that's of course can't be argued because we don't know for sure and there isn't enough evidence of how those things are. Then I continue thinking even further and think about different what if scenarios how things might have been or what they might be. And I can say all these things in same post

I think this is something that we know of Abelas. He didn't born in the Temple but he was there when Mythal died. He has been preparing for those who killed Mythal. He isn't free and his duty has been to protect the well. He doesn't seem to value dalish and people from Tevinter for some reason. He is also willing to destroy the well as well as die for the well. However when Inky completes the rituals something makes him change his mind and he decides to let Inky to have the well. He also is free to leave when the well isn't there anymore. We can only wonder why. He also seems to recognize Solas.

I also believe that it's very difficult or more likely impossible to make assumptions what kind of person he is because the circumstances at the Temple are quite exceptional. I mean you invade the temple, there are hostile people and the sentinels are fighting against them and then there is the whole well thing. I think it wouldn't have made any sense that he would have been happy to see Inky or if he would have welcomed Inky with open arms.

Ok. This is pure speculation. Babelas I think it would be possible that Mythal contacted the sentinels. In their dreams maybe? To me it seems that Abelas knows about the world. I think he also seems to know more about the world that he would know if he would have stayed in the Temple.

[Abelas Forever!]

Tielis I noticed

 

EDIT: I just want see how the devs are dealing with Leliana. Especially the situation when she died and then she showed up. Was DA:I just a dream? I mean DA2 was just Varric's story so anything could have happened in that

EDIT2: And it seems that I missed the whole point

EDIT3: I'm sorry that I messed things up.

Modifié par SilentShadows, 01 octobre 2015 - 03:44 .

[Tielis]

Tielis I noticed

 

EDIT: I just want see how the devs are dealing with Leliana. Especially the situation when she died and then she showed up. Was DA:I just a dream? I mean DA2 was just Varric's story so anything could have happened in that

EDIT2: And it seems that I missed the whole point

EDIT3: I'm sorry that I messed things up.

 

Aww, Silent, you're such a sweetheart.  You never mess anything up.  

 

And murdered Leliana turns out to be a lyrium ghost.  Not really the most graceful way of handling it, in my opinion, but I like that they tried.

[Babelas]

I'm going to run out of likes supporting Tielis's war mongering, ex husband channeling thread today. But I don't mind. Just if someone says something really awesome I'm going to have to like post a star or something I guess. o.O

[Babelas]

Hey Tielis did you put dog on that list?

[Tielis]

Hey Tielis did you put dog on that list?

 

But of course, my dear.  

[Babelas]

Pray for Alchemillia. She is eating bad chicken but she has promised sunshine when she returns.

[Tielis]

Pray for Alchemillia. She is eating bad chicken but she has promised sunshine when she returns.

 

Eating bad chicken?  Did she believe this was a good plan, or is she being coerced?  One must know...

[Babelas]

It could be coercion... I mean she's in a sports bar as we speak. Do people go into those willingly and eat the chicken?

[Tielis]

It could be coercion... I mean she's in a sports bar as we speak. Do people go into those willingly and eat the chicken?

 

I cannot answer that question.  

[Babelas]

I have been thinking. I sometimes start to discuss about Abelas and I start talking about things that I think makes sense. In other words are canon or at least I could argue that they are canon. But then I get carried away and start thinking about different possible reasons why Abelas acts like he acts for example and that's of course can't be argued because we don't know for sure and there isn't enough evidence of how those things are. Then I continue thinking even further and think about different what if scenarios how things might have been or what they might be. And I can say all these things in same post

I think this is something that we know of Abelas. He didn't born in the Temple but he was there when Mythal died. He has been preparing for those who killed Mythal. He isn't free and his duty has been to protect the well. He doesn't seem to value dalish and people from Tevinter for some reason. He is also willing to destroy the well as well as die for the well. However when Inky completes the rituals something makes him change his mind and he decides to let Inky to have the well. He also is free to leave when the well isn't there anymore. We can only wonder why. He also seems to recognize Solas.

I also believe that it's very difficult or more likely impossible to make assumptions what kind of person he is because the circumstances at the Temple are quite exceptional. I mean you invade the temple, there are hostile people and the sentinels are fighting against them and then there is the whole well thing. I think it wouldn't have made any sense that he would have been happy to see Inky or if he would have welcomed Inky with open arms.

Ok. This is pure speculation. Babelas I think it would be possible that Mythal contacted the sentinels. In their dreams maybe? To me it seems that Abelas knows about the world. I think he also seems to know more about the world that he would know if he would have stayed in the Temple.

Tired SS and forgot I was going to reply. Tiiiiiirrrrrrrrreeeeeeeed.

 

I understand completely. It's like a stream of thought. I do that too but I think it comes out sounding like I am saying this is canon or this is fact when really it's just thoughts leading into each other.

 

This is what I know of Abelas's birth if you are interested: He was born in the last years of the original elvhen empire, and has been in a form of stasis on and off for years.

 

He's a baby compared to some of the other Elvhen. Awwwwwww. I don't know if that information is still accurate but I remember reading it when I first started fancying the pants off of him.

 

That's why i wondered if he has had some sort of link with Flemeth while in uthenera. Perhaps even seeing the world through her eyes. I just wonder because in the codex it says something about the new ones not knowing Mythal in her fullness. That suggests he knows what she has become. So maybe Flemeth was even visiting the temple? Maybe when he says that he means the new ones are seeing Mythal as Flemeth not as she was?