Unless he is released somehow. But maybe getting him to the point where he'd want to be released might be difficult.
That's a good point. How do you get Abelas to understand that his goddess, the person he pledged his immortal life to is not a goddess? Does the elf not have a selfish bone in his body? See i hate the thought of making him choose love or goddess. I don't even know that he could be persuaded away from Mythal. That's one of those questions I keep asking myself. It would, in my opinion, take Mythal releasing him to help him see past his devotion. Would she? Why does she still have slaves? Are they last of her slaves like a sort of sacrificial lamb to protect the well? Uggggggg questions. Maybe Abelas just outright refused to be released from her service during the rebellion. And what about the others? Something tells me that if the sentinels are released into the world they may fall apart. Keeping a bunch of people locked in a temple makes them easier to control. They start getting a taste of freedom and I doubt it will be easy to keep that control. At a guess anyway. Maybe the outside world makes them even more insular. I don't know... Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh
That's a good point. How do you get Abelas to understand that his goddess, the person he pledged his immortal life to is not a goddess? Does the elf not have a selfish bone in his body? See i hate the thought of making him choose love or goddess. I don't even know that he could be persuaded away from Mythal. That's one of those questions I keep asking myself. It would, in my opinion, take Mythal releasing him to help him see past his devotion. Would she? Why does she still have slaves? Are they last of her slaves like a sort of sacrificial lamb to protect the well? Uggggggg questions. Maybe Abelas just outright refused to be released from her service during the rebellion. And what about the others? Something tells me that if the sentinels are released into the world they may fall apart. Keeping a bunch of people locked in a temple makes them easier to control. They start getting a taste of freedom and I doubt it will be easy to keep that control. At a guess anyway. Maybe the outside world makes them even more insular. I don't know... Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh
Well, it may not be his choice. The vallaslin may exert control, or his geas may exert control.
Poor enslaved bubala, even if he had chosen the slavery. It will be both interesting and heartbreaking to see him come to the realization that he wants his freedom. Even Solas mocks him for wanting the status quo because he'd never experienced anything else (which was cruel, in my opinion).
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Wasnt´t it "he clings to past because he lacks the power to change it" or something similar?
That's the line I'm thinking of... is that the line you meant Tielis?
I remember that when I heard that line I thought... Is Solas speaking for himself and using Abelas as a cover? He does that often throughout the entire game. He uses someone or something as a cover for what he is thinking or he truly feels. The impression I got from Abelas was very different. He is content to guard the well. Just like Abelas says in that deleted dialogue: 'as we ever have.'
I used to think that the sentinels did other things... like gardening, serving tea and guarding Mythal etc but nooooooo.... (Solas did the guarding of Mythal in my opinion.) I believe now that Abelas and the sentinels have always had one job and that is to guard the well. That's it. That is their entire existence. Now if that doesn't break someone's heart then you aren't human.
So if that theory is true when Solas says: He clings to all that once was because he doesn't have the power to change it. (I think that's mostly what he says) In my opinion Solas has placed himself in Abelas's shoes and is basically suggesting he knows that Abelas would change the world back if he had the power. It's arrogant. Why? Because if the only job Abelas has ever known is to guard that well then basically his world hasn't changed and I seriously doubt Abelas would change the world in the same way Solas would want to change the world. I also think it shows how Solas is very much blinded by his ideals versus what a person or people actually want. I'm not saying that makes Solas a bad guy especially not in this context. Wanting freedom for everyone is a noble goal. People understanding freedom and the price of it is something else entirely.
That's how I understood it. I'd be interested in what everyone else thinks because I'm not sure I am interpreting that situation correctly.
Unless he is released somehow. But maybe getting him to the point where he'd want to be released might be difficult.
I think that is also one possibility of what can happen to Abelas. I mean there is possibility that some day he will be free. Nevertheles I believe that the relationship with Abelas can work very well even if he would be bound to Mythal.
I'm not sure how to explain this. I was thinking that in a way it's a good idea that he is bound to somebody because that creates extra tension to that relationship and I like that. I mean he could fell in love with you and it might be lovely but there still would be that geas thing. There is no need to create extra drama by making him be afraid of the relationship. Because I also like that there is drama in a romance then that geas thing is one possible way to achieve that.
Babelas when does Solas use somebody else as cover? I think I might have not thought about this.
I'm not sure about that line because to me Abelas doesn't seem to want that elven empire back. To me it seems that he is just guarding the well and waiting that somebody will come there to take that well because I think he was preparing for those who killed Mythal and now he is waiting that either Mythal or somebody else will take that well. He sees that the world has changed and he wants to go to sleep but I don't think he wants the elven empire back.
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I think one possibility could be that Solas thinks that Abelas wants to restore the old world as much as he wants it. But that's not necessarily the case. I think Solas quite often sees things as he wants them to be or that he has a strong opinion of something and then it takes some time for him to see things differently. So I agree with you Babelas he is blinded by his ideals and blinded by his mission and blinded by his opinions very often. It might be that he thinks that every ancient elf wants that old world back but I doubt everyone will want that.
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Felessan changed his mind and he wanted to give a chance to modern elves and he did that knowing that he will die
I think that is also one possibility of what can happen to Abelas. I mean there is possibility that some day he will be free. Nevertheles I believe that the relationship with Abelas can work very well even if he would be bound to Mythal.
I'm not sure how to explain this. I was thinking that in a way it's a good idea that he is bound to somebody because that creates extra tension to that relationship and I like that. I mean he could fell in love with you and it might be lovely but there still would be that geas thing. There is no need to create extra drama by making him be afraid of the relationship. Because I also like that there is drama in a romance then that geas thing is one possible way to achieve that.
I think a relationship can work with him bound to Mythal too. It's a fascinating idea.
There is no need to create extra drama by making him be afraid of the relationship. Because I also like that there is drama in a romance then that geas thing is one possible way to achieve that.
You had me thinking about this. Yeah, I don't want the whole 'I am afraid of a relationship because this or that.' I've had enough of that in DA to be honest. He's a slave and he knows it, so for him it's just another day. I don't see Abelas thinking of it as a separate thing. Like this thing over here is going to keep me from wanting to fall in love. It's just part of him. What may be more of a barrier are the cultural differences. But then I think about my husband and he is from another country and it was never a problem because we didn't let it be a problem. We learned from each other. So it just depends. I think that if a person were considering a relationship with this particular brand of elf they would have to accept certain things about him. The geas being one unless Mythal frees him. That in itself would be an interesting thing to explore. You know, does Abelas love because he truly loves or because he is being commanded to love? How do you move past that and learn to trust each other?
Babelas when does Solas use somebody else as cover? I think I might have not thought about this.
I'm not sure about that line because to me Abelas doesn't seem to want that elven empire back. To me it seems that he is just guarding the well and waiting that somebody will come there to take that well because I think he was preparing for those who killed Mythal and now he is waiting that either Mythal or somebody else will take that well. He sees that the world has changed and he wants to go to sleep but I don't think he wants the elven empire back.
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I think one possibility could be that Solas thinks that Abelas wants to restore the old world as much as he wants it. But that's not necessarily the case. I think Solas quite often sees things as he wants them to be or that he has a strong opinion of something and then it takes some time for him to see things differently. So I agree with you Babelas he is blinded by his ideals and blinded by his mission and blinded by his opinions very often. It might be that he thinks that every ancient elf wants that old world back but I doubt everyone will want that.
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Felessan changed his mind and he wanted to give a chance to modern elves and he did that knowing that he will die
Well... usually Solas uses the Fade. In the Fade this and that memory when really it's because he was actually there for some of it. Oh yeah he saw it in the Fade but when did he see it in the Fade and does he mean
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when the veil was down? Technically the Fade was everywhere then. It's technicalities with Solas. It's not an outright lie to him because he is speaking the truth just with omitted details, but we do not know the when, how and why. He leaves that out to protect his identity. In order for Solas to explain how he feels he has to do it through sometimes minor and not so minor subterfuge. I can only imagine that he was thrilled when he finally told you who he is because it had to be a weight off of his shoulders. Imagine Solas being able to tell someone: I saw the ruins of the lost city because I helped destroy it Instead of: I saw the ruins of the lost city in the Fade near where I slumbered. That is why I feel bad for people who are really into his romance. I'm not saying that to be a b*tch. I do feel bad for them because you do know but you don't know Solas.
I think Solas quite often sees things as he wants them to be or that he has a strong opinion of something and then it takes some time for him to see things differently.
That is why Solas and I would never get along LOL. I recognize that trait in myself. It's a real flaw and I completely understand Solas when it comes to strong opinion and taking forever to have your mind changed. He's stubborn. I get labelled a b*tch for it and he gets labelled complex.
Don't get me started with Felessan. I love that elf.
Yes, that's the line. "He clings to the past because he does not have the power to change it." Is that right?
The way I see it, Solas is mocking Abelas for clinging to the past and (presumably) not even wanting to change it. But who is he to speak for Abelas? Abelas may like his life. Abelas may just be ignorant as to how things can change.
That's just it, Solas is projecting his own desires.
I don't think the cultural differences are problem because they weren't problem with Solas. But I think that the romance could also explore how he gets to know the modern culture and how his views change.
I would love it if Mythal would command Abelas to seduce my DA4 PC! Then somewhere on the way he would fell in love with my DA4 PC Anyway there is so many ways that his romance could develop and what aspect of it the devs could emphasize.
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I love the Solas romance because he loves the PC so much. He fought against his feelings and he failed. Of course he also breaks up with you twice. It's so sad to see him love Lavellan so much and to fight against his feelings. I just want to see him surrender to my Lavellan. Hopefully that happens someday.
But don't worry Babelas. I don't want that kind of relationship in real life. My man is different than Solas But it's nice to play that kind of romance though.
Well I think Abelas would be totally different. I bet he would be there for you!
Yes, that's the line. "He clings to the past because he does not have the power to change it." Is that right?
The way I see it, Solas is mocking Abelas for clinging to the past and (presumably) not even wanting to change it. But who is he to speak for Abelas? Abelas may like his life. Abelas may just be ignorant as to how things can change.
That's just it, Solas is projecting his own desires.
I didn't dare say it lololol.
Silent there is nothing wrong with loving the Solas romance. I just wish it had closure.
Silent there is nothing wrong with loving the Solas romance. I just wish it had closure.
Yes. I would play it through if I felt it wasn't a cheap cliffhanger to get us to buy the next game. /stillbitter
And GRRRRR the latest nVidia driver that was released today messed up my game. Out you go, GeForce Experience, since you recommended this crap. Rolling back is not fun.
Yes. I would play it through if I felt it wasn't a cheap cliffhanger to get us to buy the next game. /stillbitter
I feel your pain... I can't say how I feel on here because reasons. At this point I feel like I'm waiting for the companion announcement. I know for some people that's not going to be their driving reason to buy or not buy the game but for me... oh yeah. If Solas is a Flemeth replacement, why on earth did they make him a romance option?
When I first saw Abelas in the temple, he reminded me of a priest from Middle Ages and I liked that because when I think about Middle Ages it makes me think about dark and gloomy castles and I like that kind of atmosphere. DA:I had also quite light atmosphere and when I saw him, he gave me a sensation of gloominess for a short time.
Meeting him for the first time is very interesting because he is standing there on that platform and it makes him even more authoritative. He also has more power at that moment than Inky and the companions.
When I first saw Abelas in the temple, he reminded me of a priest from Middle Ages and I liked that because when I think about Middle Ages it makes me think about dark and gloomy castles and I like that kind of atmosphere. DA:I had also quite light atmosphere and when I saw him, he gave me a sensation of gloominess for a short time.
Meeting him for the first time is very interesting because he is standing there on that platform and it makes him even more authoritative. He also has more power at that moment than Inky and the companions.
I find it interesting that you thought of him as a priest upon meeting him. The armor threw me off. To be honest, I never thought of him as a priest until I read something that said he is a priest. When i first met him my mind wandered back to DAO and the quest with the arcane warrior trapped in the gem. I thought... oh Bioware is finally showing us what an arcane warrior is/was and what they looked like. I was quite excited about that because I have loved the idea of an arcane warrior since DAO. It ties in with martial arts and magic and that is such an amazing idea. I remember it made me a bit sad that it was something else the elves had lost. But I was thrilled my Dalish elf learned about it because I loved the idea she could go back and teach her clan about all the things she learned along the way. I never got over Tamlen's death so I had to cling on to something positive. Tamlen... *sigh*
He does have the power at that point. I found him intimidating and the archers that suddenly appear made me wonder exactly what was going on until Abelas walked out. I always loved how his cape drapes over his backside in that shot. The way Abelas moves when he speaks is so regal. He just has an amazing presence right from the beginning. Bioware really got that scene right.
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Abelas hood made me think about priests or it might have been monks as well. Anyway I was thinking about Middle Ages when I first saw him and I briefly pictured men with similar hoods standing in front if a castle's wall and those hoods makes me think about priests or monks.
I was too blinded by the thighs to consider the hoods Seriously, it makes sense. One thing I wish we had seen more of in the temple was signs of life and where these sentinels were sleeping. They had to have a garden for their honey/herb concoction. Those that were being born mortal must have tended to the ones sleeping. So where were they living? Because I know from codex entries when they entered uthenera they slept in a half coffin/half bed like structure. You know... considering Abelas's life is really effing depressing. He gets up, he fights and then when it is all over he gets to go back to his coffin. Meh.
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Instead of: I saw the ruins of the lost city in the Fade near where I slumbered. That is why I feel bad for people who are really into his romance. I'm not saying that to be a b*tch. I do feel bad for them because you do know but you don't know Solas. 
Anyway there is so many ways that his romance could develop and what aspect of it the devs could emphasize.
But it's nice to play that kind of romance though.
