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[Abelas Forever!]

I read the untranslatable Elven writing text today:
http://dragonage.wik...e_Elven_Writing

and I realized that the text is written after the Veil is in place and Abelas is preparing for those who killed Mythal so he is expecting them to return. I don't get the impression that Abelas wants to get a revenge but instead it's like he is slightly afraid and thinks that it's very important to prepare for those people which means that they are very powerful.

Is he aware of Solas plans to tear down the Veil? Or is he expecting those people to return despite the Veil like Mythal did? Or is he guessing what Solas will do after he wakes up?

[Gooseberry]

When we see Abelas first time he says:" I am called Abelas". He does not say his name is Abelas. I believe he knows what Solas is planning. He does not see Dalish as his people. Question is why? And would those who cast Mythal down return regardless of the Veil being up or not? We do not know who was that killed Mythal or have I missed something? Elders crying be4 entering uthenera- if I have understood correctly be4 the Veil they could return from that but now with the Veil in place it is eternal sleep literally? Vir'abelasan, why is it called exactly that? I want the game in Ancient Arlathan!!!To understand,to even grasp why Solas is planning it. Otherwise I feel we are forced into petty choices that puts us on the same level as Dalish-fumbling children in the dark who think they do it right.

 

Imagine a game with different origins- you could be ancient elf,dwarf (when they came to surface and so forth) and first humans,how qunari is made. To see what was once, to see different beasts,surroundings,architecture.....it would be amazing and glorious. To see Arlathan fall and why it happened....Yes I am a dreamer

[Vorathrad]

Flemythal has seen first hand what the world with the Veil has become and she seems to predict the future somehow; also, Mythal was once very close to Solas and thus knows him well. She must have known somehow that once he awoke and saw the world with the Veil, he'd want to tear it down. Either that, or the Veil would one day collapse on its own. Whatever happened first, Mythal knew the Enavuris imprisonment was not permanent and one day she and her followers will have to confront them. So they told them to be prepared; maybe "being prepared" meant defending the Well until the one meant to use it arrived. I'd think that the Inquisitor was Mythal's instrument both for exacting vengeance against the Enavuris and stopping Solas, if I didn't have the impression that the Well decision will turn into a dead end and they will have to neutralize it like the did with the Old God soul. 

 

Vir'Abelasan means "the path of the Well of Sorrows". I thin it's the path left for the sentinels after the Veil is put in place; to pour their knowledge into the Well and hope they survive enough so it's delivered to its intended recipient. A sorrowful path indeed. Also I suspect it was not the original function of the Temple and either the intended use of the Well, but an emergency plan. 

 

I only want that we get most of the answers in game, and we're not forced to buy countless comics and books to put the pieces together. For instance, you really don't get the whole meaning of Solas having to kill a friend unless you read The Masked Empire, and I don't like it one bit.

[Babelas]

Flemythal has seen first hand what the world with the Veil has become and she seems to predict the future somehow; also, Mythal was once very close to Solas and thus knows him well. She must have known somehow that once he awoke and saw the world with the Veil, he'd want to tear it down. Either that, or the Veil would one day collapse on its own. Whatever happened first, Mythal knew the Enavuris imprisonment was not permanent and one day she and her followers will have to confront them. So they told them to be prepared; maybe "being prepared" meant defending the Well until the one meant to use it arrived. I'd think that the Inquisitor was Mythal's instrument both for exacting vengeance against the Enavuris and stopping Solas, if I didn't have the impression that the Well decision will turn into a dead end and they will have to neutralize it like the did with the Old God soul. 

 

Vir'Abelasan means "the path of the Well of Sorrows". I thin it's the path left for the sentinels after the Veil is put in place; to pour their knowledge into the Well and hope they survive enough so it's delivered to its intended recipient. A sorrowful path indeed. Also I suspect it was not the original function of the Temple and either the intended use of the Well, but an emergency plan. 

 

I only want that we get most of the answers in game, and we're not forced to buy countless comics and books to put the pieces together. For instance, you really don't get the whole meaning of Solas having to kill a friend unless you read The Masked Empire, and I don't like it one bit.

 

 

Agreed. It's either a game or it's a book. That's how I view these things. Making me buy extra things to get an explanation is not okay. End up paying hundreds of dollars for a game because I need the extra to get closure. No thank you.

 

I should expand so I don't sound like grumpy grandma. But like Witcher 3 for instance. I don't have to read the books to play the game or vice versa. I get closure whichever path I choose. I could choose to do both if I'm really into it. But what I hate and I mean really hate is having information from the books partially brought into the game but not enough to offer a full explanation. That makes me cynical. I mean I'm defcon bitter right now with the franchise so I guess it doesn't matter.

[Abelas Forever!]

Gooseberry have you played Tresspasser? Anyway I have tried to figure out why Abelas doesn't think Dalish is his people. I think it might be because I suspect that ancient elves don't consider those who follow the other gods as their people so I believe that Abelas wouldn't think that followers of Elgarnan are his people either. But he seems to be quite angry when he says that Dalish are not his people. That always makes me think is there something else with the Dalish? Did their ancestors do something that made Abelas hate them so much? Are they descendants of those who betrayed Mythal? Were they suppose to prepare for Mythal's killers but they forgot it? Or is he simply angry at them because they try to invade his home and don't respect him? Somehow I don't think this is the case here. Because they are the ones that lost everything even their immortality. I would suspect that he would at least feel sorry for them. Unless he felt sorry for them and tried to explain the situation to them and they didn't listen or they didn't show any respect towards him. Maybe they promised to help him but they betrayed him

Anyway I have no idea who killed Mythal and at least to my knowledge it hasn't been revealed yet.

Vorathrad do you mean that Abelas and the Sentinels were trying to save the well for somebody but for some reason that person never came? Maybe it wasn't the time for that person to drink and then it was too late or the plan was to lure the Inky or Morrigan to drink from it. So many possibilities...

Anyway I believe like you Vorathrad that the well is the way they are preparing for those who killed Mythal. It seems to be so vital to them.

I never thought that the Vir'Abelasan could have been something that was invented after the Veil was in place. That's interesting theory!

[Vorathrad]

I never thought that the Vir'Abelasan could have been something that was invented after the Veil was in place. That's interesting theory!

 

Thanks!  It hadn't occurred to me at first, but after thinking about Abelas and what he says, and how he changed his name after Mythal's murder, it's starting to make sense.

 

 Vorathrad do you mean that Abelas and the Sentinels were trying to save the well for somebody but for some reason that person never came? Maybe it wasn't the time for that person to drink and then it was too late or the plan was to lure the Inky or Morrigan to drink from it. So many possibilities...

 

To be honest and against my confessed hatred for her, I must admit that the most logical option would be Morrigan. Flemeth tells her that she tries to preserve ancient magic because Flemeth taught her to do so, and Morrigan herself after the Temple implies that her and Inky getting there was probably Flemeth's doing. But I'm confused that writers decided to let the player decide who drinks from the Well; they wrote themselves into a corner, and besides it'd be too far-fetched that Flemeth knew beforehand that there would be an Inquisitor. Maybe Flemeth trusted Morrigan to get the right person to the Temple, in case she didn't get the Well herself.

 

In short, I think the intended recipient or the Well did come; but I'm not sure who it was exactly.

 

Anyway I have tried to figure out why Abelas doesn't think Dalish is his people. I think it might be because I suspect that ancient elves don't consider those who follow the other gods as their people so I believe that Abelas wouldn't think that followers of Elgarnan are his people either. But he seems to be quite angry when he says that Dalish are not his people. That always makes me think is there something else with the Dalish?

 

I think that Abelas doesn't feel that Dalish are his people as I probably wouldn't feel that people living on this island in a thousand years from now are my people. They may look similar, speak a remotely similar language, but I wouldn't feel they are my people as I do with people living and breathing with me right now. He's probably angry because Dalish have been trying to invade the Temple, putting at risk Abelas mission because of their ignorance of what lies within and its purpose. And also someone on the boards suggested that the elves on the Dales were former slaves, maybe the ones freed by Solas; if as I suspect Abelas didn't agree with Solas revolution, that would be another reason for him to despise the Dalish. Because Abelas is secretly a cinnamon roll, I like to think that he feels pity and maybe even a little guilt for how far the Dalish have fallen from what they were. 

[Vorathrad]

Agreed. It's either a game or it's a book. That's how I view these things. Making me buy extra things to get an explanation is not okay. End up paying hundreds of dollars for a game because I need the extra to get closure. No thank you.

 

I should expand so I don't sound like grumpy grandma. But like Witcher 3 for instance. I don't have to read the books to play the game or vice versa. I get closure whichever path I choose. I could choose to do both if I'm really into it. But what I hate and I mean really hate is having information from the books partially brought into the game but not enough to offer a full explanation. That makes me cynical. I mean I'm defcon bitter right now with the franchise so I guess it doesn't matter.

 

I hear you, dear Babelas. I don't know why they went down that path, it wasn't the same with Mass Effect, in the beginning at least. I read the two first Mass Effect novels and well, the first one was a bit like reading the game; but the important thing is that they added nice additional information on the universe and some characters, but you didn't need them to understand ME at all. Then suddenly they decided to put the most important eventsbetween ME and ME2 in a comic, and mention them in ME2. I was so pissed of when I learned about it. Why do I have to buy this ugly comic (I hate Dark Horse style), to get the full meaning out of my first conversation with Liara? And many other things in the game, for that matter? 

 

If you want to expand on your universe, by all means go ahead. I have World of Thedas II and am absolutely delighted by it. But I don't want to need it to fully understand any of the games. If you're going to carry something from the novels over to the game, give me an explanation in game so I understand. 

 

I'm quite bitter about this, too. 

[Abelas Forever!]

Vorathrad when I had to decide who will drink from the well I got the impression that it was suppose to be Morrigan. Although I'm not sure was Abelas saving the well for her because even though Morrigan was interested in elven lore because of Mythal and she did many things because Mythal had put that idea in her head I'm not seeing anything that links Morrigan and the well together. Most likely because I don't know enough. It just doesn't seem to be a good idea to lure her there and then made her drink from the well and give her a lot of knowledge and it seems quite vital knowledge. Can Mythal trust her enough to give her that information and be sure that she doesn't use it against her? Anyway I'm now forgetting that the one who will drink from the well will be bound to Mythal and she can control her/him and I'm also forgetting that Mythal had made her to search ancient knowledge at any cost. Anyway this leads me to think that almost anybody could have drank from the well if that person will be bound to Mythal. The only thing that is needed is that the person will need to handle that information and not die for example.

I think the time difference could explain why Abelas don't think that Dalish are his people but I would suspect that he would feel sad for them because they have lost so much. He knows what they have lost but those people don't. But instead he seems to be very angry at them and that is bothering me. Anyway if the Dalish are descendants of Solas' slaves then it would make sense that Abelas is angry at them. I mean they followed Solas who put Veil in the place and destroyed elven world and Abelas got stuck in the Temple. And then at some point the descendants of those elves started using vallaslin again when they had already abandon it and then they had nerve using it without knowing its meaning and they forgot that they took part in destroying the elven world. No wonder Abelas is angry.

I have only read Masked Empire and I suspect that I missed quite a lot lore and ways to interpret story because I haven't read the books. I read the Masked Empire after I had played DA:I to know more about Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts. I mean if you have read the book it's like one additional chapter to that story which intertwines with Inquisitors story and that mission has more meaning than when you didn't read the book. But if you haven't read the book those events doesn't have that much meaning and I would have liked to know more about it before doing the mission. Maybe have a mission where you prepare for that mission so that you will find out more about those characters and what is happening. I don't mean that everything will have to be explained to me in detail and made sure that I will understand it but when I'm playing the game I don't want to read books or codex entries but instead I want that the story is told to me via discussions and cuts scenes and other events in game.

[Gooseberry]

Gooseberry have you played Tresspasser? Anyway I have tried to figure out why Abelas doesn't think Dalish is his people. I think it might be because I suspect that ancient elves don't consider those who follow the other gods as their people so I believe that Abelas wouldn't think that followers of Elgarnan are his people either. But he seems to be quite angry when he says that Dalish are not his people. That always makes me think is there something else with the Dalish? Did their ancestors do something that made Abelas hate them so much? Are they descendants of those who betrayed Mythal? Were they suppose to prepare for Mythal's killers but they forgot it? Or is he simply angry at them because they try to invade his home and don't respect him? Somehow I don't think this is the case here. Because they are the ones that lost everything even their immortality. I would suspect that he would at least feel sorry for them. Unless he felt sorry for them and tried to explain the situation to them and they didn't listen or they didn't show any respect towards him. Maybe they promised to help him but they betrayed him

Anyway I have no idea who killed Mythal and at least to my knowledge it hasn't been revealed yet.

Vorathrad do you mean that Abelas and the Sentinels were trying to save the well for somebody but for some reason that person never came? Maybe it wasn't the time for that person to drink and then it was too late or the plan was to lure the Inky or Morrigan to drink from it. So many possibilities...

Anyway I believe like you Vorathrad that the well is the way they are preparing for those who killed Mythal. It seems to be so vital to them.

I never thought that the Vir'Abelasan could have been something that was invented after the Veil was in place. That's interesting theory!

 

I played Trespasser through very fast, to get to the end I am planning to go through it more thoroughly with my elfmage playthrough once I finish the Witcher 3.Concerning the Well- if it was be4 the Veil was put into place it gives it the whole new layer- deeper implications plus the name itself,was it like that from the beginning or....? If it was done after the Veil it has another meaning, just to preserve and maybe prepare?

 

The way Abelas says things with anger and sorrow(it is also fierce)- I feel we are missing so much that it is impossible for us to understand. Like I have said be4 I would like to play a game in ancient times,to understand fully. To see the raw power of Evanuris,to understand why they were locked away. Otherwise if we are in the end forced to choose sides we have no idea really. I shouldn´t read the books to get the info to do that,but that´s my personal view on things.

[Abelas Forever!]

I think Solas considers those freed slaves as his people and not the other ancient elves. At least that was the impression I got from Tresspasser. That made me think that it might be same thing with Abelas. He only thinks that followers of Mythal are his people or even only sentinels are his people.

 

Gooseberry I agree with you Abelas is protecting the well because it's used in preserving the knowledge and it's also used in preparing for those who killed Mythal. Whoever gets that knowledge will become very powerful because that person will get access of things that only ancient elves knew such as Morrigan will be able to transform into a dragon. It's starts to sound like the well was one part of Mythal's plan to prepare for those who killed her. She has been around for a long time and I suspect she must have also other plans .

[Babelas]

You are playing Witcher 3 then going back to Trespasser? Don't do it Gooseberry! No do it. It's an interesting eye opener. Just don't expect to feel the same about DAI afterwards.

 

The impression I got from Abelas is that he considers those who were Mythal's people his people. I guess that really leaves only the sentinels. Flemythal is one of the best characters in the whole franchise., I swear if she is killed off for good, I'm done. I'm probably done any way but that would just be the nail in the coffin.

[Abelas Forever!]

I'll have to make a confession. If Abelas would be the main protagonist in one of the books, I would buy that book immediately. But that case would be different than Masked Empire for example because we have seen Abelas already. Besides if he would be in DA4 and in one of the books before that then I would expect hearing his story also in the game.

[Babelas]

I confess on behalf of your confession that I too confess I would buy a book with Abelas as the main character. Yes I would in a heartbeat. But I would not want to have to buy the book because I only got part of the story from a game. I'd want them to be separate entities. Books give so much more depth to a character. Buying a game and then having only certain elements of the book in the game is annoying. It's one thing if the devs take a book and make a game based on the book. It's another when the devs are writing the book and the game and not giving you closure or only telling part of it. That makes me cynical. You have turned me into a cynic Bioware. I used to love you. I used to want to tuck you into bed at night. Now... you are in the doghouse.

[Gooseberry]

Oooooh do not tempt me like that!!! A book of Abelas......I would read the sh*t out of it

[Babelas]

Oooooh do not tempt me like that!!! A book of Abelas......I would read the sh*t out of it

Lmao....

[Abelas Forever!]

Oooooh do not tempt me like that!!! A book of Abelas......I would read the sh*t out of it

[Abelas Forever!]

Book series of Abelas would also be interesting..

[Abelas Forever!]

This image of him is just so lovely

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[Babelas]

Merry Christmas Abelas lovers! 

 

 

 

 

Random Dogmeat cause it's tooo cute.

[ModernAcademic]

Merry Christmas to you, too, love. 

 

I wish I knew how to make yarn dolls. I'd make a plushy Abelas for him to sit on my table and cheer my holiday...

[Abelas Forever!]

How Solas got his clothes:

 

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[Abelas Forever!]

Merry Christmas to all Abelas lovers from me as well

[Babelas]

Merry Christmas to you, too, love. 

 

I wish I knew how to make yarn dolls. I'd make a plushy Abelas for him to sit on my table and cheer my holiday...

Awwww too cute! I have this funny image of Abelas the Christmas resentful elf in my head now. Hehehe he's adorable no matter what he is doing.

 

 

Yay Silent you posted the thing! I love it!!!

[Abelas Forever!]

Thanks Babelas

[ModernAcademic]

Hm, I was wondering...the shiny, bronze-like metal the sentinel armor is made of - as well as the mosaics in Mythal's Temple - is Veil Quartz, right?

 

I crafted some armor for the Inquisitor using it and it had the same color.

 

Considering the Sentinels are from the time of Arlathan, the city built partly inside the Fade, I thought it would make sense if the ancient elves used material from the Fade to craft their armor.

 

I may be wrong, though. It's just a hypothesis that crossed my mind the other day.