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[Abelas Forever!]

Tyyne that is gorgeous!

 

Vorathrad I kind of got carried away I was thinking about red vallaslin and then I started thinking about glowing red eyes and then I thought about Abelas and then Abelas with glowing red eyes -> hot. But Abelas with glowing red lips -> hot. Well I could also say that Abelas -> hot

 

I'm not sure about many things. I'm sure that Flemeth is dead but I'm not sure about Mythal. I'm not even sure that it's true that Mythal called Solas or made him in the first place. I think that so many things are so vague that the devs can change the events quite easily if they want to even though their original idea was something else entirely. Even Abelas'  possible death is questionable because he says something weird in the end. So until I'm proven wrong I believe that he is alive

[tyyne]

_{I know i'm not contributing too much for the thread, but a question. Are we sure red lyrium was at all around at that time if the blight happened after the Fade was made?}

_{also this is even less of a doodle: I'm sorry I do not know how to put a cut on these posts <.<}

 

[Vorathrad]

Tyyne, you contribute A LOT! Your gorgeous drawings are a treasure to have here 

 

You're right about the Blight existing after the Fade; what I think is that isolated ancient elves may have come across red lyrium somehow. I mean, unless they are in areas of the eluvian crossroads, if they are hiding somewhere in Thedas they must have come across the Blight at some point. But as Silent said, they left everything so open they can go pretty much any way they choose. But this would be an interesting option, I think.

 

Also redhot!Abelas Silent, no wonder you got carried away! It's hard not to with His Royal Thighness.

[Abelas Forever!]

Tyyne you are contributing a lot to this thread by sharing your amazing drawings!

 

About red lyriym. As far as I know it's quite recent thing. Well it seems that nobody remembers it. So it either is a recent thing or not I mean the Dalish have forgotten so much of their heritage so people could have forgotten that the red lyriym existed. Anyway I don't believe that but it's one possibility. And like Vora said the ancient elves could have discovered the red lyrium or maybe some of the ancient elves did something that enabled red lyriym to exist? Maybe it has some kind of unknown purpose.

 

Vora Abelas is my weakness. I would buy every book where he would be

Modifié par SilentShadows, 09 février 2016 - 07:46 .

[ModernAcademic]

It's a bit off-topic, so it's placed under spoiler so as to not derail the thread:

 

Spoiler

I accidentally stumbled upon a cool thread where many aspects of ancient elven lore were being discussed. It started with the Elves in Tirashan and their worship of the Forgotten Ones, but ended up discussing many other subjects, such as the defeat of Elghar'nan and even many possible correlations between different religions in Thedas, such as the Avvar gods and the Elven Pantheon.

 

Here it is, folks, in case you are interested, too: http://forum.bioware...the-last-court/

 

I was particularly impressed by references to an impact crater in Orlais, the site where it's said the Sun collapsed when Elghar'nan was defeated.

There's also mention of an Avvar ritual which involves singing to the gods, as a means to help a spirit be reborn. According to someone in the thread, such ritual would echo what Solas mentioned about Arlathan having spells that lasted for hundreds of years, the so-called eternal symphonies. It's been hinted there's a possible connection with the immortality of the Evanuris.

 

Someone even suggested there's the possibility that Mythal was Tyrdda Bright-Axe's lover. Seriously, it felt like I was rediscovering stuff from the lore that had previously made no sense. As if the scattered pieces of a puzzle were coming together and forming a picture.  Overall, many interesting topics were brought into discussion that may help lost people like myself shed some light into the life of the elves from Arlathan's time. 

 

If more Sentinels like Abelas and the elves of Tirashan might figure in DA4 (please, Bioware!), then let's hope the game will provide us with a chance to better understand what happened in Arlathan, the empire's connection to spirits and immortality, why the Evanuris banished the Forgotten Ones, their possible use of red lyrium and many more. Oh, and more Abelas, please. Make him a companion. At least in a quest. Please, Bioware? 

[Abelas Forever!]

So there are strange Dalish elves in Tirashan at the time of Last Court? And then sentinel elves go there in the time of Tresspasser. I don't remember anymore what the exact words of Leliana were but the elves are definitely sentinels. I am convinced that it's Abelas with his sentinels looking for something. I'm pretty sure that Mythal has given him another task and he is there because of that.

 

I'm also not sure are the Forgotten Ones as bad as they sound.

[Vorathrad]

Thank you for the link to the thread, ModernAcademic! Will check it   I've also read some of those theories elsewhere, in threads about elven things. 

 

If more Sentinels like Abelas and the elves of Tirashan might figure in DA4 (please, Bioware!), then let's hope the game will provide us with a chance to better understand what happened in Arlathan, the empire's connection to spirits and immortality, why the Evanuris banished the Forgotten Ones, their possible use of red lyrium and many more. Oh, and more Abelas, please. Make him a companion. At least in a quest. Please, Bioware?

 

Yes, please!

 

I'm pretty sure that Mythal has given him another task and he is there because of that.

 

I'm also not sure are the Forgotten Ones as bad as they sound.

 

But how could Mythal give Abelas instructions after she was... Solasized?  Or do you mean she gave him a new assignment sometime after the Temple and before the Inquisition ending? 

 

I agree with you on the Forgotten Ones, something tells me that the Dalish may have echoed propaganda from the Evanuris. 

[tyyne]

 

But how could Mythal give Abelas instructions after she was... Solasized?  Or do you mean she gave him a new assignment sometime after the Temple and before the Inquisition ending? 

 

I agree with you on the Forgotten Ones, something tells me that the Dalish may have echoed propaganda from the Evanuris. 

Don't mind me asking, but is it just me or did Mythal make yet another horcrux out of herself just before Solas took over? Like she did before Kirkwall? Do we know anything about sentinels feeling Mythal being there or not? Like we know Abelas goes with the status quo of Mythal not being there, but would the sentinels still be at the temple (besides the reason of guarding the virabelasan) that she is entirely no longer?

[Abelas Forever!]

But how could Mythal give Abelas instructions after she was... Solasized?  Or do you mean she gave him a new assignment sometime after the Temple and before the Inquisition ending? 

 

I agree with you on the Forgotten Ones, something tells me that the Dalish may have echoed propaganda from the Evanuris. 

I'm pretty sure that Flemeth is dead but Mythal might not be. Solas took her power but she managed to send her godhood to Morrigan or at least that was the plan at some point. What does sending one's godhood mean? Is it just some knowledge/immortality transferred to Morrigan or does she get Mythal as well ?   And even if Solas took her power it would be wise for her to hide some of the power elsewhere. Maybe she had hidden power in Morrigan because she has had the urge to get as much as power she can and that is Flemeth/Mythal's influence. I think Morrigan is quite powerful now. A good host for Mythal.

 

 

Don't mind me asking, but is it just me or did Mythal make yet another horcrux out of herself just before Solas took over? Like she did before Kirkwall? Do we know anything about sentinels feeling Mythal being there or not? Like we know Abelas goes with the status quo of Mythal not being there, but would the sentinels still be at the temple (besides the reason of guarding the virabelasan) that she is entirely no longer?

Abelas says that nobody can truly kill a god so he knows that Mythal is not entirely dead. Other than that there isn't any evidence whether they can feel whether Mythal is alive or not but I believe that they don't know what she has been done after she become a part of Flemeth. I believe so because Mythal didn't have any reason to tell them that. However they might have been communicating with her through the well or in the fade but it could easily be that they don't know that she is living inside a human because that sounds quite valuable information and Mythal most likely wouldn't tell that to anyone.

 

There is some ancient elven writing which reveals that Abelas and the sentinels are preparing for those who killed Mythal. So even if Mythal would be completely dead I believe that they would still continue their preparations. But if there wouldn't be the well then would they stay at the Temple? Why not? It seems to be in the good place until Corypheus found it.

 

EDIT: And if Inky/Morrigan is bound to the will of Mythal the same way as Abelas and the sentinels are and Inky/Morrigan didn't know to whom they were bound to until Flemeth/Mythal showed them that so I suspect that if Flemeth/Mythal wants to hide that information then she is capable of doing so which means that Abelas and Sentinels doesn't necessarily know about her. The question is did she do that?

[Abelas Forever!]

Isn't he lovely

 

[Vorathrad]

He definitely is  And he has such a potential for a great story and character, I hope they find a way to include him in DA4.

[Qun00]

Abelas is, without a doubt, the best looking male elf in all the franchise. And I'm including Fenris when I say that.

What makes him different is his strong jaw, which is an unusual trait for elves, and his high cheekbones. Not only that, but his body proportions are very human like.

The elven Inquisitor has a large head on top of narrow shoulders, while Abelas has everything in the right size.

[In Exile]

Abelas is, without a doubt, the best looking male elf in all the franchise. And I'm including Fenris when I say that.

What makes him different is his strong jaw, which is an unusual trait for elves, and his high cheekbones. Not only that, but his body proportions are very human like.

The elven Inquisitor has a large head on top of narrow shoulders, while Abelas has everything in the right size.

 

The body proportions are the armour, I think. 

[Qun00]

Even so, I'm certain he still is like Solas. A body model that is different from the elven Inquisitor's.

[Vorathrad]

Abelas is, without a doubt, the best looking male elf in all the franchise. And I'm including Fenris when I say that.

What makes him different is his strong jaw, which is an unusual trait for elves, and his high cheekbones. Not only that, but his body proportions are very human like.

The elven Inquisitor has a large head on top of narrow shoulders, while Abelas has everything in the right size.

 

100000% agreed! And those thighs 

 

(Spoiler warning, though I assume everyone has played Trespasser by now)

 

It's possible that's the same model as Solas, but did you also see that the armor fit Solas differently in Trespasser? Maybe it was the posture.

[Abelas Forever!]

Abelas and the sentinels are also taller than modern elves. Was Solas the same height as the modern elves? I can't remember but I can't remember that he would have been much taller either or at least I didn't pay any attention to that when I played the game.

 

EDIT: I have seen Abelas model but I can't find it anymore. But I remember that Abelas has a broken nose. I remembered it wrong. He doesn't have a broken nose but a very interesting nose indeed.

Modifié par SilentShadows, 27 mars 2016 - 06:30 .

[Vorathrad]

Solas is taller than modern elves, IIRC. I do recall that in romance scenes, he's much taller than Lavellan. 

 

I have a fetish for big and different male noses, so I love Abelas nose 

[German Soldier]

Abelas is really an awesome character that need to be reused by Bioware given is small screen-time, i hope that they will think about it instead to rub on our faces the same recycled characters of the DAO club

[Qun00]

Solas is taller than modern elves, IIRC. I do recall that in romance scenes, he's much taller than Lavellan.

I don't see it as an actual lore thing. Just more effort being put into companions than the PC.

Sera is also taller than female Lavellan.

[Secret Rare]

Abelas LI would be cool indeed.

[Abelas Forever!]

Solas is taller than modern elves, IIRC. I do recall that in romance scenes, he's much taller than Lavellan. 

 

I have a fetish for big and different male noses, so I love Abelas nose 

I didn't notice the height difference and I romanced him twice

 

 

Abelas is really an awesome character that need to be reused by Bioware given is small screen-time, i hope that they will think about it instead to rub on our faces the same recycled characters of the DAO club

 

I usually don't have any strong opinions whether I want to see a certain character again but with Abelas it's different. I definitely want to see him a gain in a big role. I guess his devotion to his task made an impact on me and that he didn't care about Inquisitors mission because it actually wasn't his problem but yet he helped Inquisitor if she/he completed the trials. I guess I also like characters that have suffered a lot and hope that they can have a better future or I can make a better future for them.

 

 

I don't see it as an actual lore thing. Just more effort being put into companions than the PC.

Sera is also taller than female Lavellan.

Why would they make certain companions bigger if there is no reason for it? I mean Solas and Abelas are both ancient elves who are bigger than modern elves so it makes sense that they are taller. I didn't notice Sera being taller than female Lavellan. Maybe there is a reason for that. I remember reading about a theory about Sera but can't remember anymore what it was. Something about that she is not what she thinks she is or that she has an ancient elven spirit inside her.

 

 

Abelas LI would be cool indeed.

I would love that!

[German Soldier]

 

 

 

I usually don't have any strong opinions whether I want to see a certain character again but with Abelas it's different. I definitely want to see him a gain in a big role. I guess his devotion to his task made an impact on me and that he didn't care about Inquisitors mission because it actually wasn't his problem but yet he helped Inquisitor if she/he completed the trials. I guess I also like characters that have suffered a lot and hope that they can have a better future or I can make a better future for them.

 

 

 

Abelas satisfy all the conditions to be brought back into a sequel.

 

-He is involved with the plot of the ancient elves so he is one of the rare characters that can give to us insights on their culture since for now we had only Solas perspective

 

-His screen time is impressively small in DAI.

 

-His death is a non issue since his soul flowed from the body before of his death,i imagine he know the same trick FLemeth used to rebuild her body from her soul in DA2 and who knows if Flemeth herself resurrected him off-screen.

Only issue is that he could be very different in terms of personality if he was assassinated in DAI

[Vorathrad]

Abelas is really an awesome character that need to be reused by Bioware given is small screen-time, i hope that they will think about it instead to rub on our faces the same recycled characters of the DAO club

 

1000% agree!!

 

I don't see it as an actual lore thing. Just more effort being put into companions than the PC.

Sera is also taller than female Lavellan.

 

Yeah I meant what is seen ingame, I don't recall anything on the matter lore wise. You're right about Sera, I didn't remember; back in the day, I didn't understood why her body model was different to that of female Lavellan (she is taller and also has broader shoulders, less thin in general) As you say, it seems that they put more effort in some companions design than in the PC's.

 

Abelas LI would be cool indeed.

 

VERY cool!! 

 

I didn't notice the height difference and I romanced him twice

 

I'm sure you were paying attention to other... body parts 

 

Also I fully agree with him coming back; I usually know who I don't want to return more than who I want to, but this time around I really want to see Abelas fully fleshed out and know more about him and about his story.

 

 

Abelas satisfy all the conditions to be brought back into a sequel.

 

-He is involved with the plot of the ancient elves so he is one of the rare characters that can give to us insights on their culture since for now we had only Solas perspective

 

-His screen time is impressively small in DAI.

 

-His death is a non issue since his soul flowed from the body before of his death,i imagine he know the same trick FLemeth used to rebuild her body from her soul in DA2 and who knows if Flemeth herself resurrected him off-screen.

Only issue is that he could be very different in terms of personality if he was assassinated in DAI

 

 

1000% agree again! 

 

It'd be very interesting that his first reaction would be different depending on whether he was assassinated; maybe he'd start with less approval or more hostile dialogue. 

[Gooseberry]

Abelas LI would be cool indeed.

 

Oh hush my fluttering heart..... I would buy the game just for that,even if I would hate the rest of it. The Royal Thighness would be just....mesmerizing... *laughs*  Yeah as all can see not a fan of Abelas at all

[Vorathrad]

Yeah as all can see not a fan of Abelas at all

 

Nope, nothing at all