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[Qun00]

Merrill was nearly irrelevant in DAO. If she returned as a companion/LI, anyone can.

Then again... I'm not sure what Abelas could bring to the table. The "ancient elf stuck in the past" shtick already was done with Solas.

[Vorathrad]

Merrill was nearly irrelevant in DAO. If she returned as a companion/LI, anyone can.

Then again... I'm not sure what Abelas could bring to the table. The "ancient elf stuck in the past" shtick already was done with Solas.

 

You're right about Merrill; only thing is, IIRC, she couldn't die in DAO.

 

I think that actually, Abelas perspective could prove a very interesting alternative view to that of Solas. Solas is "ancient elf stuck in the past", but unlike him, Abelas was a faithful servant of one of the Enavuris that Solas fought against; of the one that was close friends or possibly lover of Solas, but it could also be interesting to explore how Solas reconciled his admiration for Mythal with the fact that she kept slaves, even for thousands of years after she was gone (as the sentinels were bound to defend the Temple since Mythal's murder) It doesn't seem like Abelas wasn't happy with serving a god; in fact, part of his sorrow stems from the fact that is service doesn't make sense anymore. I would definitely love to explore his point of view; I've always thought that Solas "EVANURIS WERE EVIL" is just part of the truth, and I'd love to hear an account from the other side.

 

It's not that Bioware doesn't love to repeat stereotypes, either. Cassandra is a variation of the "badass female warrior with feelings" that they had already explored with Aveline, just to name one.

 

Also as I've pointed before, to others it's very clear that if Abelas came back it would be as a Solas ally, but I'm not so sure that Abelas would support Solas. How cool could it be to have as companion one ancient elf that not only does not want Solas to fulfill his plan, he'd actively work to stop him just because he spent thousands of years trapped in a Temple due to what Solas did in the first place.

[Qun00]

I find it unlikely that Abelas would oppose his plan.

At best, he would remain neutral. But he couldn't care less about what happens to the world.

[Abelas Forever!]

 

Abelas satisfy all the conditions to be brought back into a sequel.

 

-He is involved with the plot of the ancient elves so he is one of the rare characters that can give to us insights on their culture since for now we had only Solas perspective

 

-His screen time is impressively small in DAI.

 

-His death is a non issue since his soul flowed from the body before of his death,i imagine he know the same trick FLemeth used to rebuild her body from her soul in DA2 and who knows if Flemeth herself resurrected him off-screen.

Only issue is that he could be very different in terms of personality if he was assassinated in DAI

 

Tresspasser spoilers if somebody hasn't played the DLC.

 

I fully agree with you. I believe we are going to  learn more about ancient elves or more likely we'll need to learn more about them if we are going to stop Solas and I think that Abelas would be a perfect candidate for giving that kind of information to us and if the story is going to be stopping Solas then it would be weird not to see Abelas. He also seems to be very interesting character so there are plenty of reason for bringing him back.

 

I also believe that if anyone has the skill of resurrecting themselves like Flemeth did then that person is Abelas. He is the high priest in Mythal's temple so it's not that far fetched to think that he could also do that. Besides he says "Mythal sulevin" before he dies which is very interesting thing to say before dying...

 

I believe that there are many ways to give people consequences of killing Abelas. Even if they would see him, he could be different like you said and if we are going to gather an army then there might be less sentinels to recruit or no sentinels at all if inky killed him. I think it would also be interesting that we wouldn't see him if Inky killed him and the mission in stopping Solas would be very difficult in this case. Maybe there wouldn't be a way to spare Solas if Abelas was dead or there would be more casualties in the final battle for example.

 

 

 

I'm sure you were paying attention to other... body parts 

 

I'm not denying anything

 

 

It'd be very interesting that his first reaction would be different depending on whether he was assassinated; maybe he'd start with less approval or more hostile dialogue. 

Or you couldn't romance him in that case or become close friends.

 

 

Oh hush my fluttering heart..... I would buy the game just for that,even if I would hate the rest of it. The Royal Thighness would be just....mesmerizing... *laughs*  Yeah as all can see not a fan of Abelas at all

Me too! I would buy that game immediately!

[Abelas Forever!]

Merrill was nearly irrelevant in DAO. If she returned as a companion/LI, anyone can.

Then again... I'm not sure what Abelas could bring to the table. The "ancient elf stuck in the past" shtick already was done with Solas.

In my opinion Abelas and Solas are very different characters and their story is very different even though they both are ancient elves. Solas was free and he could make decisions like creating the veil. He could have chosen otherwise. But Abelas on the other hand wasn't free. He didn't have a choice. He had to guard the well. He was trapped in there without a way out. Although I'm not sure would he had left the temple if he could have. I believe he might not because he seems to be very devoted person and there are changes that he actually believed in Mythal and her way of doing things. It might have been that Mythal treated her slaves well and they had better lives than elves in alienages now have. They are free but they suffer. Anyway Abelas' and Solas' backgrounds are very different. We also didn't know that Solas was ancient elf in the main game so if Abelas is brought back then his story can be told in a different way than Solas' story because we know that Abelas is an ancient elf.

 

Like Vorathrad said Abelas perspective into life of ancient elves might be different than Solas' view on them and that's a very good reason to bring him back and I think we need that kind of perspective. I also agree with Vorathrad that Evanuris might not be as evil as Solas says they are. Things usually aren't that black and white.

 

Even though Abelas was "ancient elf stuck in the past", it doesn't mean that his story would go like Solas' story seems to go. I think there are good changes that after he left the temple his story would be "ancient elf learns to live in the new world" kind of story, which would be different and interesting in my opinion.

 

 

I find it unlikely that Abelas would oppose his plan.

At best, he would remain neutral. But he couldn't care less about what happens to the world.

 

Abelas' situation is very interesting because if the elven empire would be brought back then what would he have there? He doesn't have a goddess there unlike other ancient elves. His goddess is dead. Of course Mythal could still be alive but she is not the same anymore so Abelas doesn't have anything left int he past. Solas created the Veil and by doing so he destroyed the elves and Abelas got trapped in the Temple. While Solas slept, Abelas guarded the well and saw how the world changed and he suffered a lot. I'm not saying that Solas doesn't suffer but Abelas could only watch how the world was changing without a power to change it and it all happened because of Solas. Besides Solas took Mythal's power and I believe that Abelas is not happy about that. These are the reasons I believe that Abelas would oppose Solas.

 

Of course there is also the thing that is Abelas now free or is he still bound to somebody and to whom he is bound to? If he is bound to Solas then he doesn't have any other choice than obey him but if Mythal still exist then she can order him and I believe that Mythal might not want the elven empire back so she might send Abelas to help whoever the next PC is in stopping Solas.

 

 

Also as I've pointed before, to others it's very clear that if Abelas came back it would be as a Solas ally, but I'm not so sure that Abelas would support Solas. How cool could it be to have as companion one ancient elf that not only does not want Solas to fulfill his plan, he'd actively work to stop him just because he spent thousands of years trapped in a Temple due to what Solas did in the first place.

It would be totally awesome!

[Vorathrad]

Abelas could learn to care about modern Thedas; Solas saw modern people as tranquil and in the course of a few months he learned to appreciate and even admire some of them (like Cassandra), and even fall in love to the point of considering ditching his plan. Abelas could easily make that same trip, and he has already proved more open to modern people that respect his beliefs. 

 

Also as Silent pointed out, his goddess is gone and it's Solas who took her power/essence, so I don't see Abelas being exactly happy and willing to cooperate with Solas. The removal of that last link to his former life may be what throws Abelas down he "ancient elf who doesn't care for ancient times anymore" path.

 

Of course it's up to Bioware which way they want to go, or don't do anything with Abelas at all; but I think there is plenty of room for an Abelas companion scenario.

 

I have been thinking, the Temple of Mythal was there at the time when there was no Veil; but the Veil going up doesn't seem to have affected the Temple of the Sentinels. Or maybe the Well was the last resource to keep the sentinels knowledge alive with the connection to the Fade severed? It doesn't make a lot of sense that they'd put all their knowledge in a Well that anyone who can break into the Temple may take, so maybe it was the only option left.

[Abelas Forever!]

Vora I think it's definitely not that far fetched that Abelas could learn to care about modern Thedas. It almost happened to Solas like you said and spoiler for the Masked Empire:

Spoiler

Felessan chose Briala over his mission and I think he also died to give her a chance.

Your theory about well is very interesting because I had come to a conclusion that Abelas and the sentinels were preparing for those who killed Mythal and they were preparing by giving their knowledge to the well so that someday somebody would take it and use it. I never thought that they could have started doing that after the Veil was in place. I thought that they had done that always but they could have started doing it many years after the Veil was in place so that it had become their tradition.

It's interesting that Abelas and the sentinels are in the Temple and Abelas can just leave when his duty is ended and it seems that he is not going to die when he steps out of the temple so his situation is different than with Ameridan for example. It could be that  the well saved them in the first place and continued protecting them or I'm not sure were they saved. I mean they were left in the Temple. Maybe some other elves were left in the Fade? Would it have been better for them to be there as well? Anyway the well must have a connection to the fade because that is the way Mythal found out where Morrigan was. It's interesting that through the well Mythal gets all the knowledge but the knowledge also stays in the well. I'm pretty sure that it was meant for somebody. The well could have been Abelas' and the sentinels' last attempt to save the knowledge but it's also interesting that even if some evil person would have drank from it then that person would have become bound to the will of Mythal. Maybe not ideal situation if the well was meant for somebody else but Mythal could still control that person. So did Corypheus ever had any chance to get it?

Other interesting aspect is that sentinels died and when they did that they gave their knowledge to the well and when I think about that I imagine an old man giving his knowledge to the well. So did they die when they become too old or did sentinels drag those other sentinels to the well when they were dying of wounds which they had acquired from protecting the well? I'm thinking about this because I thought that ancient elves were immortal and that made me think that they can't die from old age.

[Vorathrad]

Other interesting aspect is that sentinels died and when they did that they gave their knowledge to the well and when I think about that I imagine an old man giving his knowledge to the well. So did they die when they become too old or did sentinels drag those other sentinels to the well when they were dying of wounds which they had acquired from protecting the well? I'm thinking about this because I thought that ancient elves were immortal and that made me think that they can't die from old age.

 

This is very interesting and I hadn't thought of it; indeed, if sentinels were immortal in the first place, what did they need the well for? I hope Bioware doesn't forget about that and gives us more info, either in game or books (better in game via Abelas telling us )

 

I'm pretty sure that nobody except the intended recipient had a real chance of getting the Well. Flemeth implies that she merely rolls the dice and hopes for the best, but I'm pretty sure she plans everything so carefully that the chance of her not getting her way is pretty slim. So you're probably right that Corypheus never had a real possibility of getting it.

[Abelas Forever!]

This is very interesting and I hadn't thought of it; indeed, if sentinels were immortal in the first place, what did they need the well for? I hope Bioware doesn't forget about that and gives us more info, either in game or books (better in game via Abelas telling us )

 

I'm pretty sure that nobody except the intended recipient had a real chance of getting the Well. Flemeth implies that she merely rolls the dice and hopes for the best, but I'm pretty sure she plans everything so carefully that the chance of her not getting her way is pretty slim. So you're probably right that Corypheus never had a real possibility of getting it.

Maybe the well was used in their ritual for becoming sentinels and becoming bound to Mythal? Abelas says that you will become bound like they are bound. How would he know that if something like that wouldn't have done before? Also nobody has completed the rituals for a long time. What if the Veil changed that? Maybe you could only drink once from it after the Veil was in place? That could explain why their numbers are diminishing. The new ones don't have all the skills that old sentinels have because they lack the information the well has so they are weaker.

I would like the hear more about the Well from Abelas. In fact I would love to hear him lecturing about the well Do you know what else would be awesome? If we could have origin stories like in DA:O and in one of them you could play as an elf in Tevinter and Abelas would be there to teach the PC about elven history! And of course later you would end up in the same company trying to stop Solas. I mean Dorian suggested to Abelas that he should go to Tevinter so maybe he did go there

[In Exile]

If you bring Cole, he all but tells you that the Well of Mythal is kind of the collective "will" of all those who became part of it - he describes it as many people or something along those lines. The "geas" is potentially less of a seal and more the overpowering of your collective will by the lot of them. 

[Vorathrad]

If you bring Cole, he all but tells you that the Well of Mythal is kind of the collective "will" of all those who became part of it - he describes it as many people or something along those lines. The "geas" is potentially less of a seal and more the overpowering of your collective will by the lot of them. 

 

Yes, Cole says something like your voice will be drowned by all of theirs. But then Flemeth is able to physically manipulate whoever drank from the Well, so I guess the geas is also binding your own will to Mythal's; maybe through the collective wills of the well, that's an interesting idea. 

 

Maybe the well was used in their ritual for becoming sentinels and becoming bound to Mythal? Abelas says that you will become bound like they are bound. How would he know that if something like that wouldn't have done before? Also nobody has completed the rituals for a long time. What if the Veil changed that? Maybe you could only drink once from it after the Veil was in place? That could explain why their numbers are diminishing. The new ones don't have all the skills that old sentinels have because they lack the information the well has so they are weaker.

 

Mmmm it makes sense what you're saying. Something definitely had to change after the murder of Mythal and the lifting of the Veil, it could be what you say that when the Well was connected to the Fade they could drink more than once from it. 

 

I would like the hear more about the Well from Abelas. In fact I would love to hear him lecturing about the well   Do you know what else would be awesome? If we could have origin stories like in DA:O and in one of them you could play as an elf in Tevinter and Abelas would be there to teach the PC about elven history! And of course later you would end up in the same company trying to stop Solas. I mean Dorian suggested to Abelas that he should go to Tevinter so maybe he did go there 

 

 

Me too! Abelas answering all our questions about the Well   The Origins idea is awesome, I really liked that from DAO; I can't remember Dorian suggesting Abelas to go Tevinter, but if he did, that means more chance to see Abelas in DA4! 

[Abelas Forever!]

If you bring Cole, he all but tells you that the Well of Mythal is kind of the collective "will" of all those who became part of it - he describes it as many people or something along those lines. The "geas" is potentially less of a seal and more the overpowering of your collective will by the lot of them. 

 

Yes, Cole says something like your voice will be drowned by all of theirs. But then Flemeth is able to physically manipulate whoever drank from the Well, so I guess the geas is also binding your own will to Mythal's; maybe through the collective wills of the well, that's an interesting idea. 

 

I think the knowledge in the well is in the form of those voices. They can guide you and tell you of things. I think it was those voices that let Inky to find that dragon. The collective will is interesting idea because I had thought earlier that the voices or the wills of previous sentinels were single entities in the well and that they didn't form a collective will. However the knowledge also had a price and that price was that you become bound to Mythal. Like Vora said Mythal can control whoever drank from the well and she also finds out about Morrigan when somebody drinks from the well. I hadn't thought this before but could it be that the one who drinks from the well also gives all her/his knowledge to the well? I know that it must have been different than sentinels giving their will to the well but it would explain how Mythal found out about Morrigan. It could be that Mythal sees and knows everything that those that are bound to her do and see, but I find it more interesting if she wouldn't know everything that they do.

 

 

 

 

Me too! Abelas answering all our questions about the Well   The Origins idea is awesome, I really liked that from DAO; I can't remember Dorian suggesting Abelas to go Tevinter, but if he did, that means more chance to see Abelas in DA4! 

 

 

 

I also liked origin stories in DA:O. I don't remember Dorian's and Abelas exact words but Dorian does suggest to Abelas that he should go Tevinter and teach those elves about their heritage and Abelas asked sarcastically would they listen and Dorian answered that they might. I hope he goes there

 

I actually would like to create a stubborn student who at first wouldn't listen to Abelas and he would leave my PC to detention after the lecture. At Abelas' room of course

[Vorathrad]

I hadn't thought this before but could it be that the one who drinks from the well also gives all her/his knowledge to the well? I know that it must have been different than sentinels giving their will to the well but it would explain how Mythal found out about Morrigan. It could be that Mythal sees and knows everything that those that are bound to her do and see, but I find it more interesting if she wouldn't know everything that they do.

 

If your will is bound to all those wills, it's possible that your knowledge is merged with all of them. I don't think Mythal knows everything as in she can read your mind, but she must be able to sense those wills bound to her somehow. If Morrigan doesn't have Kieran, you have to go to a Mythal's shrine and summon her; would any other elf do so, she wouldn't answer, but she answers you because somehow she knows that one of her servants is calling. I imagine that it's only at short distance when she can actually control you.

 

I actually would like to create a stubborn student who at first wouldn't listen to Abelas and he would leave my PC to detention after the lecture. At Abelas' room of course 

 

 

Naughty, naughty Silent (not that I wouldn't like exactly the same )

[Abelas Forever!]

 

If your will is bound to all those wills, it's possible that your knowledge is merged with all of them. I don't think Mythal knows everything as in she can read your mind, but she must be able to sense those wills bound to her somehow. If Morrigan doesn't have Kieran, you have to go to a Mythal's shrine and summon her; would any other elf do so, she wouldn't answer, but she answers you because somehow she knows that one of her servants is calling. I imagine that it's only at short distance when she can actually control you.

 

I have been thinking too that Mythal can sense those that are bound to her and I thought that she can find you by that connection but if you need to summon her then that might not be the case or could it be? She finds Kieran... I guess I should watch that video when she is summoned for more information. I guess I should watch them all to refresh my memory. The temple part for Abelas' thighs for more information I might have forgotten.

 

I remember that Solas was very terrified if you drank from the well and he said something that your life belongs to Mythal now but I think it was more of his fears or bad past experiences which colored his opinion. It might easily be that Mythal can control those that are bound to her by close distance like you said. Anyway there is only evidence that she can control those that are bound to her by close distance. Anyway this is really interesting aspect because I think Abelas can't leave the temple either because he chooses not to or he really can't. I think it's possible that when his goddess had given him a task then he doesn't give up on it. But it also could be that he couldn't leave temple because some spell prevents him and that spell is dispelled when the well is gone. Well there is a third option which is that he is afraid that Mythal will punish him if he leaves his duty but for some reason I don't think this is the case

 

 

 

Naughty, naughty Silent (not that I wouldn't like exactly the same )

 

I hope  it will happen!

[Vorathrad]

I have been thinking too that Mythal can sense those that are bound to her and I thought that she can find you by that connection but if you need to summon her then that might not be the case or could it be? 

 

It makes sense that you need to summon her, as this means that you need to contact her for some reason (and knowing what we do about Mythal, you better have a good reason to bother her  ) Otherwise, she will just reach out to you when there's something she needs from you.

 

Is it certain that Flemeth finds Kieran because of Morrigan drinking from the Well? Or is it something people assume?

 

 Anyway this is really interesting aspect because I think Abelas can't leave the temple either because he chooses not to or he really can't. I think it's possible that when his goddess had given him a task then he doesn't give up on it. But it also could be that he couldn't leave temple because some spell prevents him and that spell is dispelled when the well is gone. Well there is a third option which is that he is afraid that Mythal will punish him if he leaves his duty but for some reason I don't think this is the case 

 

 

That's an interesting question. I think that as long as there's the Well to protect or any other task assigned by Mythal, Abelas wouldn't leave the Temple even if there wasn't a spell preventing him to do so. It's very possible that Mythal would punish him for disobeying her orders  But I don't think our devoted, serious elf needs the threat of punishment to fulfill his duty. 

[Abelas Forever!]

 

 

It makes sense that you need to summon her, as this means that you need to contact her for some reason (and knowing what we do about Mythal, you better have a good reason to bother her  ) Otherwise, she will just reach out to you when there's something she needs from you.

 

Is it certain that Flemeth finds Kieran because of Morrigan drinking from the Well? Or is it something people assume?

 

 

I had got the impression that Mythal found Kieran because either Inky or Morrigan drank from the well and since it was a long time ago I had played the game I went to check the scene again to see what gave me that impression. I don't remember exactly the words but Mythal couldn't find Kieran until recently. Morrigan who had drank from the well said that it was the well and Mythal nodded meaning that she found the location of Morrigan after somebody had drank from the well. I also watched a video where there wasn't Kieran and Inky had drank from the well and she summoned Mythal and do you know what? Once again I don't remember the exact words but the voices from the well say that Mythal controls them and Mythal says that they don't lie! I never got that scene because I have always done the DR. So Mythal can control the voices in the well and I think this also means that she knows what happened at the temple. Morrigan and Inky also talk about what happened in the Temple must have something do with Mythal. Morrigan also says that the well feels hungry so Mythal wanted Morrigan to drink from it.

 

I remember hearing a theory about Mythal giving orders to Abelas. I think it might have been Babelas' theory if I remember correctly. Anyway after seeing that scene I think that this theory might be right. I only remember that part where Mythal gave orders to Abelas but it made me think that If the voices from well are controlled by Mythal then she can give orders to whoever drank from the well either Inky or Morrigan and I think this is what Solas was afraid of because the voices can be used as manipulating the person and I suspect Mythal can do that very well. Anyway even if we know that the voices from the well are controlled by Mythal does it mean that there are voices telling Abelas what to do and does Mythal control them? Something changed after the Veil so it might be that the well is not what it used to be completely. But Abelas also says that whoever drank from the well will become bound as they are bound. I have been thinking for a while now that Abelas might not lie. Because he doesn't explain things he says, it's hard see what he truly means. So if it's true that Abelas is bound the same way as Inky or Morrigan are then he can actually get orders from Mythal.

 

If you decide not ally with Abelas and the sentinels then why Abelas goes to destroy the well? Why Mythal lets that happen? Why doesn't she save her servants? I think Mythal might think that is the price Inky and compnions need to pay if they truly want the knowledge from the well. I also think that Mythal might think that it's more important that Morrigan will drink from the well than letting her servants live. Besides Inky and the companions might notice the deception if the sentinels would just surrender.  Now they are too hurry to think anything else than reaching the well before their enemy and deciding who will drink from it.

 

For some reason I have gotten an impression of Abelas' "final moments" that he was asking from Mythal was this what she wanted. Did she really wanted him to die there? Was that the fate Mythal had decided for him? I really doubt that she wanted him to die.

[Vorathrad]

I don't think that Mythal wanted Morrigan to drink, just one person that shows understanding and respect for the knowledge it holds; that could be Morrigan or an Inquisitor that did the rituals and thus showed respect to Mythal. When Morrigan mentions the well feels hungry, Solas says that she is the one hungry for its power, IIRC he even calls her a glutton. I think the well is reflecting Morrigan's greed. I don't think the well was intended only for Morrigan because Inky can drink from it, and Mythal isn't bothered that Inky didn't let Morrigan drink.

 

As to why Abelas tries to destroy the well if you don't do the rituals, when we first talk to him he says that it's not for the unworthy. I think Mythal ordered him to destroy the well if whoever finally gained access to it wasn't worthy of its power. She must have had an alternative plan for getting rid of Corypheus. 

 

Let's not forget that even if she's presented as the best of the Evanuris, Mythal can be a ruthless and violent goddess, specially to those who she deems undeserving or weak. I see her as perfectly capable of letting the sentinels die if they prove unable to properly protect the Well until the one deserving of its power comes to claim it. 

[Abelas Forever!]

I don't think showing respect to Mythal is enough to get a right to drink from the well. Abelas also considers are you worthy enough and if you did the rituals then he doesn't stop you and IIRC he also says that there is righteousness in you that he cannot deny. If Mythal controls Abelas then it might be that she says to him that it's ok to let you to decide who will drink from the well. So it's possible that Mythal will make the final decision who is worthy enough to drink from the well.

I have been thinking that Mythal might have used the eluvian to lure Morrigan to the Temple of Mythal so that she can finally find her. Mythal knows that Morrigan searches for power and is interested in ancient elven artifacts and what would be a perfect lure for her than an intact Eluvian? It might have been that the well was meant for Morrigan but you ruined Mythal's plan by drinking from it. Although it might not be that bad for Mythal if you drank from it. Now she can control the person who is leading a very powerful organization and get all kinds of information through you. I also think that she must have a lot simultaneous plans and some of them might fail like getting OGB when Morrigan didn't manage to do the DR but some of them will succeed.

I never thought that the well could reflect one's greed even though I remember the lines said. It's interesting view.

I have got the impression from Flemeth/Mythal that whatever she does, she does it to advance her revenge. IN DAO Flemeth send Morrigan with you so that Morrigan could do the DR. She saved you in the first place because she saw that you were a good candidate to be pushed into a right direction. She also made you to work in defeating her when you didn't accept her proposition to get her grimoire and let her live. She helped Hawke because she needed a backup plan if Morrigan decides to have her killed. She is also willing to sacrifice a lot and that also means sacrificing Abelas and the sentinels. I know that she is capable if sacrificing them if that is needed. However I don't believe that she will do that because they are undeserving but more like reasons such as they are useless to her or punishing them for being unable to protect the well.

I also think that it doesn't matter that much to Mythal whether you respect the rituals. Maybe they meant more for her earlier but nowadays I don't think so. If you don't do the rituals then you need to fight your way to the well so she is making you to really work hard to get that knowledge. What comes to Abelas it might be that he values the rituals more than Mythal does. I think there is a possibility that he is devoted to her knowing what kind of goddess she is but he also has different views of the rituals and the Temple either because he thinks differently than Mythal or Mythal doesn't tell him that much so he most likely is  not aware of her plans or the reasons she has when she decides something.

It's also interesting that Abelas doesn't seem to worry about Corypheus and he thinks about going to sleep after letting you to drink from the well. If Corypheus would destroy the world then would it mean that it would disrupt Abelas' peaceful uthanera? It just makes me think even though Corypheus destroying the world is real threat to Inky and other people then it might not be for Abelas because he knows that Corypheus can never win because of reasons unknown to us but not for him.

[Abelas Forever!]

So the Magekiller comic has ended and correct me if I'm wrong but Abelas wasn't there. I haven't read the comic but I have kept eye on information about Abelas and I haven't seen any signs of him.

[Vorathrad]

I wouldn't worry about Abelas not being in Magekiller; as far as I know, in comics they make up strange stories where they mix the most popular characters with new ones. It's possible that after the ancient elves overload of DA:I they wanted to stay clear of that subject for now.

[Abelas Forever!]

I wouldn't worry about Abelas not being in Magekiller; as far as I know, in comics they make up strange stories where they mix the most popular characters with new ones. It's possible that after the ancient elves overload of DA:I they wanted to stay clear of that subject for now.

I feel better now Thanks! Besides Abelas doesn't need introductions he has been introduced already

 

There was also that cancelled Fenris book. I wonder could we have seen Abelas there. Fenris and Abelas    That would have been awesome! Imagine that Abelas left the Temple and bumped into Fenris! Two grumpy elves together! Do you think they would have get along well?

[Abelas Forever!]

So this is it isn't it Abelas thread? The end I have had great time in here and I have met great people as well. Thank you for everything

Even though this ends I will always remember Abelas and his golden thighs    How can anybody forget those?

[Vorathrad]

Yeah, sadly this is it   It's been ages since I last came here, but it's sad to think that it will be completely gone in a few months. 

 

I found a group of great people here, so I have to say thank you as well  Also for the many hours of reading and writing endless speculation, learning the lore as I never did in the games. 

 

Abelas and His Almighty Shiny Thighs will be always with us 

[maia0407]

Haven't been to this thread in awhile! So sad about BSN closing. Signed up to this place:

https://realdragonagefans.forums.net/

Looks really welcoming and the owner seems nice!

[Abelas Forever!]

Thank you for sharing maia0407