I need to do some more research on uthenera, but is does a near-uthenera state exist in the lore? I assumed it was kind of on or off- you were in it to win it or you weren't. And even then sometimes elves woke up to share wisdom, right? So it wasn't necessarily eternal.
I think Abelas and the other Sentinels could enter something similar to Uthenera to bear the ravages of time while protecting the Temple. Uthenera itself seems to literally be the ending stage life for the ancient elves.
I don't think it's uthenera, as that is something that seems to be only for the highest members of the society.
I don't think he's immortal either, cause Morrigan can kill him in that final scene. Plus, if they were immortal, why the need for stasis?
I can't believe that she would kill a 2000 years old elf who remembers Arlathan.
That's like the rarest elf of them all...and it's MY kill!
I'm taking that armor and mounting it on my bedroom Wall.
According to the codex entry on Uthenera, "Elves did not age. They were not immortal, but they did not suffer from deterioration of mind or body. They suffered only from a deterioration of the spirit." Does this lack of deterioration apply only to the higher echelons of Ancient Elvhen society, or was it all Ancient Elves?
I think it would have been for the higher echelons. Definitely not for the servants and slaves.
I can't believe that she would kill a 2000 years old elf who remembers Arlathan.
That's like the rarest elf of them all...and it's MY kill!
I'm taking that armor and mounting it on my bedroom Wall.
What? To throw darts at it?
Hell, I'd wear that armor myself. That stuff looks so freaking cool!I can't believe that she would kill a 2000 years old elf who remembers Arlathan.
That's like the rarest elf of them all...and it's MY kill!
I'm taking that armor and mounting it on my bedroom Wall.
I need to do some more research on uthenera, but is does a near-uthenera state exist in the lore? I assumed it was kind of on or off- you were in it to win it or you weren't. And even then sometimes elves woke up to share wisdom, right? So it wasn't necessarily eternal.
I'm not sure if they woke or not. Some sources imply they didn't, if it were truly uthenera. Other sources imply that they did. The elves in uthenera seem to have guided other elves through the spirit world, offering wisdom etc. to those who wandered the Fade (or whatever there was before the Veil). Perhaps uthenera is more of a permanent severing of spirit from body, whereas there were other forms of slumber that were less drastic? If uthenera severs body and spirit permanently, then basically it's immortality at the cost of the physical world and all that goes with it. It also means you might still be around even if your body were destroyed, though Felassan didn't seem to think that's the case.
Anyway... Abelas. I want his armor for Solas, next playthrough, for giggles. "Yes, be shiny hobo elf! You wear your clothes tight enough already... it shouldn't offend your modesty..." Too bad the Sentinel elves do not share their armor.
Broody? Maybe. I tend to think he's more grumpy. How dare you shemlen wake him up from his nap?
Plus the whole "every time I wake up, the world seems more screwed up" thing. I think he's grumpy, too. I'm sure there's an angsty Lavellan out there, angry about Solas, that would be willing to help Abelas find a new name... and mood.
Well, I only say that I think it's uthenera because that's the only "stasis" sort of elven thing we've heard of so far. As for only the noblest elves partaking, well, they are Mythal's elite guard, so I can see that applying here.
As for immortality, like Tolkien's elves, it does not mean they cannot be killed. It simply means that they do not die of old age.
Hell, I'd wear that armor myself. That sh*t looks so freaking cool!
I'd have it laundered first. It would probably be pretty rip after having an elf dude sleep in it for a few ages.
What? To throw darts at it?
As remembrace that humans are more badass than elves.
Ok, I'm ruining the thread. I'll leave.
I can't believe that she would kill a 2000 years old elf who remembers Arlathan.
That's like the rarest elf of them all...and it's MY kill!
I'm taking that armor and mounting it on my bedroom Wall.
I'd rather keep the elf and [CENSORED BECAUSE THIS IS A PUBLIC FORUM]
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I'd have it laundered first. It would probably be pretty rip after having an elf dude sleep in it for a few ages.
Better yet, give it to Dagna so she can reverse engineer the thing and determine the metals that it's made out of. Instant badass armor for all my soldiers!
Morrigan stabbed him.
Of course she did in your playthrough, Tevinter scum.
Of course she did in your playthrough, Tevinter scum.
Naturally we can't allow heresies to exist. Just as the Elven Gods are in dire need to be destroyed.
Oh dear, I hope this thread does not go the way of so many other elf appreciation threads before it... *sighs*
I think this also the case.Perhaps it's the fact that they are bound to Mythal that kept them alive.Would explain why them of all Arlathan elves are alive (if there aren't other ancient elves to begin with).Well, I only say that I think it's uthenera because that's the only "stasis" sort of elven thing we've heard of so far. As for only the noblest elves partaking, well, they are Mythal's elite guard, so I can see that applying here.
As for immortality, like Tolkien's elves, it does not mean they cannot be killed. It simply means that they do not die of old age.
Oh dear, I hope this thread does not go the way of so many other elf appreciation threads before it... *sighs
If it gets too bad we'll just scare them off by writing purple prose about his thighs and how the armor he's wearing emphasizes his groin. They'll realize it's one of those threads and maybe steer clear.
I think it would have been for the higher echelons. Definitely not for the servants and slaves.
Is there any lore to support this? It would make sense I guess considering everything, just wondering.
I'm not sure if they woke or not. Some sources imply they didn't, if it were truly uthenera. Other sources imply that they did. The elves in uthenera seem to have guided other elves through the spirit world, offering wisdom etc. to those who wandered the Fade (or whatever there was before the Veil). Perhaps uthenera is more of a permanent severing of spirit from body, whereas there were other forms of slumber that were less drastic? If uthenera severs body and spirit permanently, then basically it's immortality at the cost of the physical world and all that goes with it. It also means you might still be around even if your body were destroyed, though Felassan didn't seem to think that's the case.
Anyway... Abelas. I want his armor for Solas, next playthrough, for giggles. "Yes, be shiny hobo elf! You wear your clothes tight enough already... it shouldn't offend your modesty..." Too bad the Sentinel elves do not share their armor.
The Codex entry implies that waking up was possible, but rare. As for the body/spirit connection, the codex says "In time, the body would deteriorate and the elder would die in truth." The fact that the body deteriorating meant that the elf themself would die implies that the spirit was intimately connected to the body, no? Or hm. Maybe there's something I'm missing about the Fade and the afterlife.
Plus the whole "every time I wake up, the world seems more screwed up" thing. I think he's grumpy, too. I'm sure there's an angsty Lavellan out there, angry about Solas, that would be willing to help Abelas find a new name... and mood.
Well, I only say that I think it's uthenera because that's the only "stasis" sort of elven thing we've heard of so far. As for only the noblest elves partaking, well, they are Mythal's elite guard, so I can see that applying here.
As for immortality, like Tolkien's elves, it does not mean they cannot be killed. It simply means that they do not die of old age.
So if they're bound to the will of Mythas now, could that mean they are now potentially bound to the will of Solas (depending on what actually happened?)
*Snickers*Trust me this will certainly have the opposite effect.If it gets too bad we'll just scare them off by writing purple prose about his thighs and how the armor he's wearing emphasizes his groin. They'll realize it's one of those threads and maybe steer clear.
Yes,the song Leliana sings suggests that they willingly fell into slumber and didn't expect to awaken.So I suppose their spirit was indeed connected to their body in some way and perhaps by travelling in the fade for so long was the cause for them to loose this connection.Is there any lore to support this? It would make sense I guess considering everything, just wondering.
The Codex entry implies that waking up was possible, but rare. As for the body/spirit connection, the codex says "In time, the body would deteriorate and the elder would die in truth." The fact that the body deteriorating meant that the elf themself would die implies that the spirit was intimately connected to the body, no? Or hm. Maybe there's something I'm missing about the Fade and the afterlife.
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So if they're bound to the will of Mythas now, could that mean they are now potentially bound to the will of Solas (depending on what actually happened?)
sameOh dear, I hope this thread does not go the way of so many other elf appreciation threads before it... *sighs*
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