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I'm also curious. Path-of-sorrows could you ever see Abelas in a relationship? Would it have to be another ancient elf? What kind of woman would he fall for?

 

//casually replies days later

 

Congrats!  You've asked me the one question I have -- n o -- idea how to answer.  Everyone's interpretations are clearly going to be a little different, and that's wonderful.  This is my own (which, in this instance, is liable to change with the wind).  I can see him in a relationship as equally as I can see him without / uninterested in one.  Alright, maybe a bit less equally.  Okay, a lot.  I think circumstances are far more likely that he would not end up romantically involved, but if he does, it would perhaps be in much in the same way Solas does.  Neither intended to care or to get involved, but x y z happened and they do.  It's very likely that he's aromantic, or that he has never had the opportunity (let alone interest) to allow a deep romantic relationship to occur.  I do not ever see him as pursuing one.  Even when free, he is tremendously (in many ways, particularly) burdened by what that means.  Getting entangled with a love interest is the last thing that would appeal to him.

 

And yet, why do I see it as possible?  I see his story as redemptive.  I see it as one of the most hopeful in the series -- one with the greatest capacity for change.  This is 90% extrapolation, since we are given so little of him, but I feel like Abelas truly could find a new name, in time.  (I write about this theme a bit on tumblr)  I see him as able to tolerate and eventually accept the Dalish.  He starts off extremely resistant, brittle and static, but he can, I feel, become ductile and receptive to change.  He can grow in a way that Solas cannot.  Solas ultimately adheres to the path on which he started, even if his viewpoints may have shifted.  Abelas is severed from his connection to Elvhenan, and in so doing, must make his own way.  A new way.  In this sense, a romance can be forged.  I do keep him racegated, like Solas, but no, it would not have to be an ancient elf.  Any elf, in theory, would work -- but I find Dalish the most likely.  Ironically so, given his initial contempt.

 

As for the kind of person?  Well, I think Abelas could, potentially, be panromantic.  In this way, it matters more about the person than about the sex, gender or presentation of gender.  I don't even mean to open up a whole new dialogue on ancient elvhen sexuality but this would not be so impossible a thing to imagine, for me.  Regardless, what he would find attractive in a partner would be what he would find worthy in anyone.

 

This list is a way way WAY oversimplification, but I created it based on an approval/disapproval meter for actions taken in an "Abelas as Companion" verse.  Actually, it's from this huge long write-up I made on what we might have seen if he did join the Inquisiton at the Well.  Here:

  • Respectfulness
  • Intelligence
  • Interest in the ancient Elvhen culture
  • Thinking before acting
  • Dedication to duty
  • Truthfulness and frankness
  • Commitment to a path (in other words, don’t be indecisive)
  • Unswerving faith (even if the Inquisitor does not follow elven beliefs — any piety works).

Things they Generally Disapprove of:

  • Disregarding the Elvhen Gods
  • Disrespecting Elvhen rituals or culture
  • Refusing to accept the realities of Elvhen life and culture
  • Refusing to believe him or take his word
  • Emotional Weakness
  • Childishness
  • Rash decisions
  • Destruction of Elvhen Artifacts
  • Going back on decisions

But it's more than that.  His love interest would need to comport themselves in a certain way.  I imagine someone generally even-tempered and soft-spoken, yet strong-willed with a stronger backbone.  Someone who is unyielding without being stubborn. It shows a sensitivity, measured emotional control, and strength in ways that he would be drawn to and admire.  I do not think that piety is a requirement, so much as his LI would acknowledge that the Creators existed in some form or another.  He would have to be content with that, I think.  Someone who would have to be able to withstand his own hard-headedness and bias, and be able to push against it and challenge him without disrespecting and confronting him.  Definitely possible, but it requires a certain grace, patience, and thoughtfulness of character.  Certainly they can be playful, but there is an element to romancing - and even befriending - Abelas that I feel often gets overlooked.

 

I think the fact that - willingly or not he entered her service - Abelas was stripped of choice as Mythal's sentinel.  No matter how lenient Mythal was with her followers or with Abelas, his vallaslin essentially marked him as a slave (or at least a lesser) in Elvhenan.  That places a certain.....power dynamic in all his interactions and views of the world, and it's something that I've never seen addressed with any relationships he's had.

 

If the gods did have vendettas, would those vendettas still extend to any ancient elvhen still surviving?  I'd hope they could put aside their differences given how different the world is, but that might not actually happen.  It would be pretty horrible if Abelas found, say, a hidden group of ancients dedicated to Falon'Din, and they just cold stabbed him  :blink:

 

It depends on individuals, circumstances, and, I think, the nature of the cults themselves.  Followers of Andruil and Ghilan'nain, or Dirthamen and Falon'Din might logically work together in the service of their gods.  But they have all been on their own for a very long time, and so while some Falon'Din cults might wish to align with Mythal's sentinels on the basis of shared Elvhen culture and blood, another one might not.  I imagine that all groups (even those who continue to serve the same god) have grown disjointed, intact Eluvians or no.


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Path of Sorrows, that was really lovely. I think I'm going to take what you said into consideration as I write this trash fic- how he chose to enter Mythal's service, but once he was there, the idea of choice was closed down to him. That does make for an interesting relationship dynamic, romantic or otherwise. 


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Path of Sorrows, that was really lovely. I think I'm going to take what you said into consideration as I write this trash fic- how he chose to enter Mythal's service, but once he was there, the idea of choice was closed down to him. That does make for an interesting relationship dynamic, romantic or otherwise. 

Thank you!  Whenever I write for a character I try to look at their weltanschauung from an epistemological perspective.  Why do they do what they do?  Why do they believe what they believe?  How? etc.

So, yeah!  Regardless of how he entered her service, it affected him.  Thanks so much for taking it into consideration!



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Didn't really get too into vallaslin stuff BUT DID SOMEONE SAY THEY WANTED FIRST KISS TRASH? 

 

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“I am sorry,” he said, not meeting her eyes, “but I needed that.”

 

Tel'abelas, lethallin.  You keep on kissing her, Mr. Golden Thighs!



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Congrats!  You've asked me the one question I have -- n o -- idea how to answer.  Everyone's interpretations are clearly going to be a little different, and that's wonderful.  This is my own (which, in this instance, is liable to change with the wind).  I can see him in a relationship as equally as I can see him without / uninterested in one.  Alright, maybe a bit less equally.  Okay, a lot.  I think circumstances are far more likely that he would not end up romantically involved, but if he does, it would perhaps be in much in the same way Solas does.  Neither intended to care or to get involved, but x y z happened and they do.  It's very likely that he's aromantic, or that he has never had the opportunity (let alone interest) to allow a deep romantic relationship to occur.  I do not ever see him as pursuing one.  Even when free, he is tremendously (in many ways, particularly) burdened by what that means.  Getting entangled with a love interest is the last thing that would appeal to him.

 

 

 

I've always believed the circumstances for him to pursue a relationship or reciprocate have to be just so. I suspect he will always feel an obligation towards the remaining sentinels and that will override any other emotional attachment that may or may not come along. My feeling is they are the only family (loose sense) that he has ever known. He isn't going to drop them to be with someone who could never understand what they mean to him. If he was put into a position where, for whatever reason, he was without the other sentinels, then he would have to redefine his life to some extent. The difference between Solas and him is that Abelas has always been surrounded by the other priests. Solas found companionship with spirits so I cannot imagine Abelas would be content with being alone. He would eventually, in my opinion, seek out companionship. It wouldn't necessarily be sexual.

 

But! I see all of that for a story not for the game. This makes me a bad person. I know. For the game I want to be selfish and have him as an LI.

 

Something that has been niggling at the back of my mind. So they have left the temple in search of somewhere else. Their duty is over. Are they still bound to the will of Mythal or willingly following? Will they suffer from mortality? Also, they have been stasis for an incredibly long time. I have this feeling their bodies and minds are going to turn to other desires. I'm curious how the lack of stasis would effect them. 

 

 

 

And yet, why do I see it as possible?  I see his story as redemptive.  I see it as one of the most hopeful in the series -- one with the greatest capacity for change.  This is 90% extrapolation, since we are given so little of him, but I feel like Abelas truly could find a new name, in time.  (I write about this theme a bit on tumblr)  I see him as able to tolerate and eventually accept the Dalish.  He starts off extremely resistant, brittle and static, but he can, I feel, become ductile and receptive to change.  He can grow in a way that Solas cannot.  Solas ultimately adheres to the path on which he started, even if his viewpoints may have shifted.  Abelas is severed from his connection to Elvhenan, and in so doing, must make his own way.  A new way.  In this sense, a romance can be forged.  I do keep him racegated, like Solas, but no, it would not have to be an ancient elf.  Any elf, in theory, would work -- but I find Dalish the most likely.  Ironically so, given his initial contempt.

 

 

I know many people found it rude when Abelas stated that the Dalish Inquisitor was not his people. Strangely, I found it rude the Inquisitor tried to find a kinship with the sentinels based on them being elves. They are an advanced civilization, living in a temple, who had cities etc... I understand why Abelas considered living in a forest backwards and not at all like his people.

 

 

 

As for the kind of person?  Well, I think Abelas could, potentially, be panromantic.  In this way, it matters more about the person than about the sex, gender or presentation of gender.  I don't even mean to open up a whole new dialogue on ancient elvhen sexuality but this would not be so impossible a thing to imagine, for me.  Regardless, what he would find attractive in a partner would be what he would find worthy in anyone.

 

 

I did say woman didn't I? I can imagine him with an elf, any gender.

 

 

This list is a way way WAY oversimplification, but I created it based on an approval/disapproval meter for actions taken in an "Abelas as Companion" verse.  Actually, it's from this huge long write-up I made on what we might have seen if he did join the Inquisiton at the Well.  Here:

  •  
  • Respectfulness
  •  
  • Intelligence
  •  
  • Interest in the ancient Elvhen culture
  •  
  • Thinking before acting
  •  
  • Dedication to duty
  •  
  • Truthfulness and frankness
  •  
  • Commitment to a path (in other words, don’t be indecisive)
  •  
  • Unswerving faith (even if the Inquisitor does not follow elven beliefs — any piety works).
  •  

Things they Generally Disapprove of:

  •  
  • Disregarding the Elvhen Gods
  •  
  • Disrespecting Elvhen rituals or culture
  •  
  • Refusing to accept the realities of Elvhen life and culture
  •  
  • Refusing to believe him or take his word
  •  
  • Emotional Weakness
  •  
  • Childishness
  •  
  • Rash decisions
  •  
  • Destruction of Elvhen Artifacts
  •  
  • Going back on decisions
  •  

But it's more than that.  His love interest would need to comport themselves in a certain way.  I imagine someone generally even-tempered and soft-spoken, yet strong-willed with a stronger backbone.  Someone who is unyielding without being stubborn. It shows a sensitivity, measured emotional control, and strength in ways that he would be drawn to and admire.  I do not think that piety is a requirement, so much as his LI would acknowledge that the Creators existed in some form or another.  He would have to be content with that, I think.  Someone who would have to be able to withstand his own hard-headedness and bias, and be able to push against it and challenge him without disrespecting and confronting him.  Definitely possible, but it requires a certain grace, patience, and thoughtfulness of character.  Certainly they can be playful, but there is an element to romancing - and even befriending - Abelas that I feel often gets overlooked.

 

I think the fact that - willingly or not he entered her service - Abelas was stripped of choice as Mythal's sentinel.  No matter how lenient Mythal was with her followers or with Abelas, his vallaslin essentially marked him as a slave (or at least a lesser) in Elvhenan.  That places a certain.....power dynamic in all his interactions and views of the world, and it's something that I've never seen addressed with any relationships he's had.

 

 

Loved all of the above :D You are awesome as always and thank you so much for taking the time to answer my question. I really appreciate it :DDDD <3

 

 

 



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Yeah. I was being jokey - sort of.  Different strokes.  My character is different. After Solas' continual verbal abuse of the Dalish - she was pretty innurred to Abelas' at that point.  It was more eye-rolling than anything.  For mine, Solas was important to her - no doubt - but like...he left?  So you know, she had things to do. She had friends.  She moved on...she had to. Depending on the timeline of when he pops up again and the situation...'eh'. So the headcanon for Abellan - I dig it. It's fun.

 

As a player do I think it will happen - no.  I would prefer he gets his own game where he's better drawn and we get more time with him. 

My Lavellan is stubborn as hell.  She'd be all over the chance to prove him wrong--plus she's got matching tats already and she drank from the well.  Solas bailed on her and it hurt but he was distant anyway, most of the time.  I imagine her and Abelas having some epic fights (and epically making up after them) but also long discussions of how the world has changed and what Abelas can expect away from the Inquisition.

 

She's heavily pro-Dalish and the last half of the game she wanted to yell at everyone telling her that she had no idea what elves used to be that she would if they would just tell her, already!  It's endlessly frustrating that the few people she meets that can explain Arlathan and the history of her people refuse to do so.  It's worse that they dismiss the living in favor of the dead.

 

ETA: Path of Sorrows, I am once again bereft of likes but you have all my love for your wonderful post.  I very much agree the Abelas would not be out looking for a relationship.  It would have to sneak up on him and kidnap him in his sleep.  One day he'd look up an BAM!  Lavellan's got him right where she wants him.  That's okay.  She's in no hurry.


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I have a question for you Abelas people.

Do you know who who wrote Abelas/the Temple of Mythal? Inquiring minds need to know.


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She's heavily pro-Dalish and the last half of the game she wanted to yell at everyone telling her that she had no idea what elves used to be that she would if they would just tell her, already! It's endlessly frustrating that the few people she meets that can explain Arlathan and the history of her people refuse to do so. It's worse that they dismiss the living in favor of the dead.

I was strongly reminded of what Gandalf says about the Stewards of Gondor in Return of the King. How they value the names of their dead forefathers higher than those of their sons. My Lavellan isn't particularly pro Dalish but that arrogance and fatalism drives her nuts too. Of course the People are doomed if you've already decided to give up on the future.

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Haven't been able to find any info on who wrote Abelas, but it might be worth asking on Twitter? I don't have one, or I would do it.

 

Consider: Lavellan braiding Abelas' little mono braid for him. 


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Haven't been able to find any info on who wrote Abelas, but it might be worth asking on Twitter? I don't have one, or I would do it.

 

Consider: Lavellan braiding Abelas' little mono braid for him. 

I do. 

 

She cards her fingers through his hair, lightly running them over his scalp.  He closes his eyes and lets out a small, involuntary sigh as he leans into her.  She laughs quietly, "You like that?".

"...you have no idea."

 

I'm trash.

 

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Then she begins to add flowers. Abelas has shown a professed fondness for picking wild flowers that she finds totally at odds with his otherwise stoic personality. She finds them in cups and vases throughout the room, where he often forgets to throw the dead ones out. Today, she reaches out to the ones that are most fresh, interweaving them in his hair. He fails to notice at first, until he reaches out to give her hand a squeeze, and feels the petals. 

 

"What are you doing?" he asks. Not angry, simply curious. 

 

"SHUT UP AND TAKE IT," the Inquisitor shouts. "TAKE IT LIKE A MAN." 


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I see he got at least presence in the keep tiles which was already spread on tumbrl if you didnt see yet;

 

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It is not unlocked to me atm, since I removed my completed game save files to have more space for my millions of safe files for my recent PTs - but eventually will reach to the temple with my active game. 


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I see he got at least presence in the keep tiles which was already spread on tumbrl if you didnt see yet;

 

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It is not unlocked to me atm, since I removed my completed game save files to have more space for my millions of safe files for my recent PTs - but eventually will reach to the temple with my active game. 

I think the whole thing is broken. There are a few tiles that aren't available to me where I know they were unlocked - like Samson's judgement/Vivienne friends/Dorian stays etc.  I hope they fix it soon.  I would like to be able to change minor stuff for world states without playing the whole game through. 



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The whole thing is super broken. Even though I've literally just been playing Dragon Age II, it's registered almost none of my choices. :( His tile looks good though. I like the faint traces of gold around his head. 

 

Also, I think that hair braiding abelas fluff is something I need to write in further detail, y/n?



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Oh it is broken to me for sure. 

Also I hate that ALL Inquisitor got their name/card present I didnt like and deleted - and I cant do anything about it. 

 

And personally I find this hidden thing pretty bad concept as it really forcing people to do several PTs just to see all tiles. It is terrible with OCD. :|



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More trash, more hair, more flowers, more Abelas. It's that simple.



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Congrats! You've asked me the one question I have -- n o -- idea how to answer. Everyone's interpretations are clearly going to be a little different, and that's wonderful. This is my own (which, in this instance, is liable to change with the wind). I can see him in a relationship as equally as I can see him without / uninterested in one. Alright, maybe a bit less equally. Okay, a lot. I think circumstances are far more likely that he would not end up romantically involved, but if he does, it would perhaps be in much in the same way Solas does. Neither intended to care or to get involved, but x y z happened and they do. It's very likely that he's aromantic, or that he has never had the opportunity (let alone interest) to allow a deep romantic relationship to occur. I do not ever see him as pursuing one. Even when free, he is tremendously (in many ways, particularly) burdened by what that means. Getting entangled with a love interest is the last thing that would appeal to him.

And yet, why do I see it as possible? I see his story as redemptive. I see it as one of the most hopeful in the series -- one with the greatest capacity for change. This is 90% extrapolation, since we are given so little of him, but I feel like Abelas truly could find a new name, in time. (I write about this theme a bit on tumblr) I see him as able to tolerate and eventually accept the Dalish. He starts off extremely resistant, brittle and static, but he can, I feel, become ductile and receptive to change. He can grow in a way that Solas cannot. Solas ultimately adheres to the path on which he started, even if his viewpoints may have shifted. Abelas is severed from his connection to Elvhenan, and in so doing, must make his own way. A new way. In this sense, a romance can be forged. I do keep him racegated, like Solas, but no, it would not have to be an ancient elf. Any elf, in theory, would work -- but I find Dalish the most likely. Ironically so, given his initial contempt.

As for the kind of person? Well, I think Abelas could, potentially, be panromantic. In this way, it matters more about the person than about the sex, gender or presentation of gender. I don't even mean to open up a whole new dialogue on ancient elvhen sexuality but this would not be so impossible a thing to imagine, for me. Regardless, what he would find attractive in a partner would be what he would find worthy in anyone.

This list is a way way WAY oversimplification, but I created it based on an approval/disapproval meter for actions taken in an "Abelas as Companion" verse. Actually, it's from this huge long write-up I made on what we might have seen if he did join the Inquisiton at the Well. Here:

  • Respectfulness
  • Intelligence
  • Interest in the ancient Elvhen culture
  • Thinking before acting
  • Dedication to duty
  • Truthfulness and frankness
  • Commitment to a path (in other words, don’t be indecisive)
  • Unswerving faith (even if the Inquisitor does not follow elven beliefs — any piety works).
Things they Generally Disapprove of:
  • Disregarding the Elvhen Gods
  • Disrespecting Elvhen rituals or culture
  • Refusing to accept the realities of Elvhen life and culture
  • Refusing to believe him or take his word
  • Emotional Weakness
  • Childishness
  • Rash decisions
  • Destruction of Elvhen Artifacts
  • Going back on decisions
But it's more than that. His love interest would need to comport themselves in a certain way. I imagine someone generally even-tempered and soft-spoken, yet strong-willed with a stronger backbone. Someone who is unyielding without being stubborn. It shows a sensitivity, measured emotional control, and strength in ways that he would be drawn to and admire. I do not think that piety is a requirement, so much as his LI would acknowledge that the Creators existed in some form or another. He would have to be content with that, I think. Someone who would have to be able to withstand his own hard-headedness and bias, and be able to push against it and challenge him without disrespecting and confronting him. Definitely possible, but it requires a certain grace, patience, and thoughtfulness of character. Certainly they can be playful, but there is an element to romancing - and even befriending - Abelas that I feel often gets overlooked.

I think the fact that - willingly or not he entered her service - Abelas was stripped of choice as Mythal's sentinel. No matter how lenient Mythal was with her followers or with Abelas, his vallaslin essentially marked him as a slave (or at least a lesser) in Elvhenan. That places a certain.....power dynamic in all his interactions and views of the world, and it's something that I've never seen addressed with any relationships he's had.


It depends on individuals, circumstances, and, I think, the nature of the cults themselves. Followers of Andruil and Ghilan'nain, or Dirthamen and Falon'Din might logically work together in the service of their gods. But they have all been on their own for a very long time, and so while some Falon'Din cults might wish to align with Mythal's sentinels on the basis of shared Elvhen culture and blood, another one might not. I imagine that all groups (even those who continue to serve the same god) have grown disjointed, intact Eluvians or no.
This is a really great character analysis of Abelas. I'd be really interested to see his interaction with the Dalish.

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Shushies and write more :D

 

I'm going to ask a really stupid question. What are those tiles? Are the gold ones you collect as you do missions or is this something else because I've never seen colored tiles.

Are you talking about the tiles Swevenfox posted?  If so, https://dragonagekee...lt/#product/da2

 

That's what it is referring to - the keep tiles.  So you can manage your world states. 

EDIT: Top Bae - BW needs a Reminder that this is canon Abelas hair - Source

 

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I am writing a new little short piece, but I think I'm just going to stick with vignettes. Not that I don't love my Inquisitor dearly. I'm just not sure the interest level in like...a full blown story of a verrryyy slowly blossoming relationship between her and Abelas. It's far more satisfactory to skip to the fluff, even if it's skipping a lot of how I see the two of them.


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