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Eh, I'm sort of against writing anything you don't really 100% want to write, because it just makes the writing so painful and slow, and you end up second guessing every word far more than you would otherwise. I actually really did not enjoy the process of writing that smut, and I'm not going to repeat it. I only did it in the first place because I felt like it was a challenge I would eventually have to face in my career as a writer. But the process of getting it there was like super not fun. 

If somebody is uncertain should she/he write something I don't see why she/he couldn't try it out. If the person feels uncomfortable by doing it or finds out that she/he don't really like it then she/he could always stop writing it. I didn't have a problem writing that sex scene to my fanfiction it was just the publishing part that I didn't want to do.



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That's exactly how I feel about this but the guy is insistent to the point of it being odd. That was also why I said to you not do it if it really bothered you that much but you did a wonderful job and it was tasteful.

 

I appreciate the advice everyone. I think I am going to have to just say no to this person and hope they don't start a hate campaign. I say that because I've had 5 private messages from them in the last half hour o.O Surely there is Dorian and IB smut out there???

 

Sure... but my story is insane. lololol.  You've had fair warning!

 

http://archiveofouro...hapters/7521503

 

Haha, I wouldn't have done it, but I felt like it made up for that time in grad school that we had a talk on writing sex scenes and I just wrote a joke one and refused to read it out loud. 

 

that guy sounds like a real weirdo though. I would just ignore him completely. 



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I appreciate the advice everyone. I think I am going to have to just say no to this person and hope they don't start a hate campaign. I say that because I've had 5 private messages from them in the last half hour o.O Surely there is Dorian and IB smut out there???

 

There was some on the kink meme last I checked.  Maybe point your reader toward that?



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Thank you all! I appreciate the advice. It's the first time I've been in such a situation. I did point this person to more sources. They tend to stay on FF.net for whatever reason but I gave them some links. It's up to them now to find their own smut paradise. I am going to try and write something between Bull and Dorian but it will be separate from my story because I think it doesn't fit and I'd rather try it out privately first.

 

This still makes me smile:

 

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How many of you believe that Solas inherited all those who are bound to Mythal?

 

I believe that he did so now Abelas is bound to him as well as  the one who drank from the well. Maybe Solas needs them in his mission so we might see Abelas again and maybe we'll also find out that he didn't die even if inquisitor killed him :D



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How many of you believe that Solas inherited all those who are bound to Mythal?

 

I believe that he did so now Abelas is bound to him as well as  the one who drank from the well. Maybe Solas needs them in his mission so we might see Abelas again and maybe we'll also find out that he didn't die even if inquisitor killed him :D

Hmmm if that is the case Solas really isn't going to like it when my Lavellan asks him to command Abelas to sleep with her... I'm so bad.

 

Abelas was full of energy from the well when he was stabbed so it is possible that could have saved him or perhaps the sentinels came to his rescue after every one was gone. The big guy can't be dead. I'd cry.


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How many of you believe that Solas inherited all those who are bound to Mythal?

 

I believe that he did so now Abelas is bound to him as well as  the one who drank from the well. Maybe Solas needs them in his mission so we might see Abelas again and maybe we'll also find out that he didn't die even if inquisitor killed him :D

 

My impression was that he got Flemythal's power, not the actual bit of her that once was Mythal.  That was supposed to go to Morrigan.  So...that would be awkward if Morrigan's the one who drank of the Well.  She can't very well be bound to herself, can she?  And I don't think Abelas would be thrilled being beholden to the shemlen witch who invaded his temple.


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My impression was that he got Flemythal's power, not the actual bit of her that once was Mythal.  That was supposed to go to Morrigan.  So...that would be awkward if Morrigan's the one who drank of the Well.  She can't very well be bound to herself, can she?  And I don't think Abelas would be thrilled being beholden to the shemlen witch who invaded his temple.

I also got the impression that Solas got Mythal's power and Morrigan got her godhood. But I think it's possible that the way the servants are bound to Mythal is linked to her power instead of godhood. It could also be possible that the way they are bound to her is separate from her power and godhood. In that case it's also possible that they are free because the one who they were bound to is dead. Or have I missed something? Do we know how they were bound to her?



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All I know is that Abelas gestures to the well and says: you will be bound as we are bound. I'm guessing the well is what bound them and so they would be free since it is gone. 


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All I know is that Abelas gestures to the well and says: you will be bound as we are bound. I'm guessing the well is what bound them and so they would be free since it is gone. 

It could be that the well is used to bound them to Mythal so it's like some kind of ritual so no new people can be bound to her when it's destroyed but the ones already bound are still bound. Mythal can control the one who drank from it after the events of the temple so the people who are bound to her are still bound to her at that moment but what happens when she dies is totally different thing.

 

I'm also playing with the though that my Lavellan is bound to Solas because she drank from the well. So he can't get rid of her so easily :D Actually both my Lavellans drank from it :blush:


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Yeah, I didn't drink from the Well on my second playthrough, because the uncertainty of being bound to Morrigan instead of Solas was too high a risk for me. My first Lavellan drank it, but she didn't romance Solas, so it'll be interesting.

And even then, even if drinking from the well makes us bound to Solas, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't want it, and my Lavellan removed her Vallaslin because she hates the idea of being enslaved to anything and anyone, so not drinking from the well is very consistent with that value she holds dear.


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Yeah, I didn't drink from the Well on my second playthrough, because the uncertainty of being bound to Morrigan instead of Solas was too high a risk for me. My first Lavellan drank it, but she didn't romance Solas, so it'll be interesting.

And even then, even if drinking from the well makes us bound to Solas, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't want it, and my Lavellan removed her Vallaslin because she hates the idea of being enslaved to anything and anyone, so not drinking from the well is very consistent with that value she holds dear.

Solas understands why the inquisitor drank from the well if you romanced him or at least he did in my playthrough. Most likely he don't like that you are bound to him because he wants you to be free but I think he will accept that. Besides he took Mythal's power after you had drank from the well so it's also his fault that you are bound to him :D I just like the idea that Lavellan drank from the well and was bound to Mythal and at this point Solas is not going to get Mythal's power because he just want to get the orb back. When the orb was broken Solas didn't have any other choice than get Mythal's power which lead to that you are now bound to him.



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Yeah but that's the thing, you don't know if you are bound to Solas, or if you happen to be bound to whoever Mythal sent her godhood too, most likely Morrigan, or maybe even Kieran.

It's just wishful thinking to believe you're automatically bound to Solas, but the uncertainty of who you're bound to actually still remains. And that uncertainty makes me not wanna drink from the well right now, because I sure as hell don't wanna be bound to Morrigan.


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Yeah but that's the thing, you don't know if you are bound to Solas, or to whoever Mythal sent her godhood too, most likely Morrigan, or maybe even Kieran.

It's just wishful thinking to believe you're automatically bound to Solas, but the uncertainty or who you're bound to actually still remains. And that uncertainty makes me not wanna drink from the well right now, because I sure as don't wanna be bound to Morrigan.

I know that my PCs are not automatically bound to Solas. It's just the thought of it which I'm interested in.



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First time through I didn't drink from the well. I didn't like Abelas either LoL! But as I became comfortable with the game and the characters, I decided to try it out. One thing that really made me think was an interaction with Flemeth. So, my Lavellan says something about being a servant and Flemeth replies with: Is that how you see it? And that really got to me. So since then I think of it as a gift, because as weird as Flemeth is I believe she has good intentions. Up until she said that to my Lavellan, I had always kind of dismissed Flemeth as a bit crazy and odd. But after that it made me think. So you have Abelas, who is a very strong willed character. I mean that comes across in his ten minutes of fame. I believe that he followed Mythal because there was a wisdom and justice in her that appealed to him. He's all about righteousness and I suspect it's because he lived in an era of turmoil and the one shining light was Mythal, especially since he was born towards the end of Arlathan. He saw it in its glory but he also witnessed its fall. So... I keep thinking Mythal was the one good constant in a world gone mad for him. If that's the case then I have nothing but respect for her and I do not believe she would pass her godhood on if she did not believe it was going to serve justice. 

 

We don't know what happens when a human takes in the essence of Mythal. Morrigan isn't just going to be the same Morrigan if she takes in Mythal. She will be changed, I believe. I think that Mythal's justice will endure within her host. In which case, Mythal will endure and I believe it is a force of good. For my Lavellan she has no problem serving/helping a being that has so far seemed to nudge history in the right direction.

 

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*yaaawwn*

Sry I'm late ...

Lone Fox - part 3

 

going to bed now

 

*kisses everyone good night*
 


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We don't know what happens when a human takes in the essence of Mythal. Morrigan isn't just going to be the same Morrigan if she takes in Mythal. She will be changed, I believe. I think that Mythal's justice will endure within her host. In which case, Mythal will endure and I believe it is a force of good. For my Lavellan she has no problem serving/helping a being that has so far seemed to nudge history in the right direction.

 

Sorry for the long post!

 

I'd like to believe that Mythal could be a force for good, but I'm pretty leery of the pantheon at this point. Here's the codex entry for the Judgment of Mythal:

 

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It reminds me of Anders' whole schtick in DA2 with Justice and Vengeance.  "Since when is Justice happy?  Justice is righteous.  Justice is hard."  I think the spirit host thing probably goes both ways.  Mythal changed Flemeth, and will change Morrigan, but she's probably been changed herself in the process.  And I don't think sharing a body with Flemeth for a few centuries will have made her any more merciful.


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Hi. :) 

I wrote another thing, this time more focused on Abelas than Lavellan. http://archiveofouro...g/works/3580899

 

I don't post anything of value here otherwise, even though I like the current thread topic. Theories are always good to read.


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I'd like to believe that Mythal could be a force for good, but I'm pretty leery of the pantheon at this point. Here's the codex entry for the Judgment of Mythal:

 

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It reminds me of Anders' whole schtick in DA2 with Justice and Vengeance.  "Since when is Justice happy?  Justice is righteous.  Justice is hard."  I think the spirit host thing probably goes both ways.  Mythal changed Flemeth, and will change Morrigan, but she's probably been changed herself in the process.  And I don't think sharing a body with Flemeth for a few centuries will have made her any more merciful.

Thanks for posting that! :) I know it's weird, but I had read that entry during the course of the game and still came to the same conclusion that Mythal, compared to the other gods, was the best choice if you were going to follow a god. I have this suspicion that the priests came from the nobility, then were marked once they began to serve. The reason I say that is because when Abelas speaks of Mythal in the ancient elven writing, it doesn't sound like the voice of a slave. Plus, and I know this is a long shot, but human nobles also often end up being templars, priests etc... especially if they are not the heir to the estate. For whatever reason, that is how I see Abelas. A noble's son who chose a religious calling because he wasn't an heir. I just think the gods would have preferred the educated, literate and children from nobles that had already aligned with them for priests as opposed to every day slaves. So when I go with that idea I can see a young man who was raised from an early age with Mythal's ideologies. 

 

I read a theory recently that suggested what you were saying SableR. Mythal is changed from her original purpose. She was once the god of motherhood and justice but now she seeks vengeance. Sounds like Egar'nan not Mythal. She came to Flemeth as a wisp of being not in her fullness. The person with this theory proposed that once a being is made a wisp they are left with one purpose because they are no longer fully what they were. So Mythal was left with vengeance. Yes, I agree once Mythal merges with someone that person and Mythal are changed. It would be very interesting to see what happens if Morrigan gets the godhood.


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Abelas is clearly an Altmer with dimension-crossing powers. Puttin' money on that.


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For whatever reason, that is how I see Abelas. A noble's son who chose a religious calling because he wasn't an heir. I just think the gods would have preferred the educated, literate and children from nobles that had already aligned with them for priests as opposed to every day slaves. So when I go with that idea I can see a young man who was raised from an early age with Mythal's ideologies. 

 

It's quite possible that what Solas and Corypheus say about the vallaslin being slave markings isn't the whole truth, or is an oversimplification.  Most slave-holding cultures IRL had huge disparities in how slaves were treated.  Even Tevinter has shades of this if you talk to Dorian about slavery.  For example, in the Roman empire slaves varied from forced labor in asbestos mines, to very well-treated tutors and advisers to patricians.  I agree that Abelas doesn't sound or act like a slave in the same sense as say, Fenris, or a slave who's been abused and depersonalized.  He may not have necessarily been a noble; his backstory could be like Melisandre's from Game of Thrones.  But I agree that on some level, he chose his service to Mythal. 

 

I dunno, after DA:I I'm pretty much convinced that most of the super-powerful entities in the world are out to f*** up Thedas :lol: Whether they mean to or not.  Case in point: Fen'Harel, God of Epic Screwups.  


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Y'all can have Solas.... I want this:

 

 

Abelas by airagitt

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The only reason I thought  maybe noble (and just for the record I always hate playing noble in DA games) is because I was thinking that perhaps human culture in free Thedas modeled itself on ancient Tevinter culture, which modeled itself on the ancient elves. So in my strange mind I got this idea that how nobles often end up in the Chantry it was a tradition past down. It's one of those strange plot bunnies. But I'm hesitant to say he is from nobility because I don't really like nobility. LOL.

 

Or perhaps a slave worked their way up or those showing promise in certain disciplines were trained or maybe even were bred for certain roles. There are many theories out there that the Quanari were also heavily influenced by the ancient elves. 

 

Fen'Harel, God of Epic Screwups.  <--------------------- giggles.... He means well though! I think o.O


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Fen'Harel, God of Epic Screwups.  <--------------------- giggles.... He means well though! I think o.O

 

Between him, my Warden, and my Hawke, I think the title for my canon worldstate should be "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."  And then my poor Lavellan gets saddled with cleaning up all their messes  <_< One of these days she's just gonna snap and punch someone in the face.


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Abelas is clearly an Altmer with dimension-crossing powers. Puttin' money on that.

I did a comparison to see for science!!!!.... btw this was really cruel. I had to go through loads of pictures of sexy Nords... sigh

 

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Distant cousins??? 

 

Abelas is unimpressed

 

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I suppose Hawke would be the biggest troublemaker... Don't know if the Inquisitor would have the courage hit Hawke though o.O


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I'm in sentinel hell. Who's this elf? It really is a spoiler since it's supposedly leaked from the upsoming dlc... so look at your own risk. I have theories...  and I may just be cray cray but isn't that an Inquisition symbol on his chest?

 

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