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[Nelyafinwe]

I don't know if this was answered already but Matthew Gravelle is Abelas's voice actor.

[Babelas]

Creators, my favorite Finwe on the forums. The wrong voice actor was given on one site I saw and then finally BW gave his name. I love his voice. Maybe one day it will belong to the elf we actually get to take home and cuddle.

[Abelas Forever!]

I wonder what would Abelas think about cuddling. Would he be confused or master cuddler Maybe he has spend all his time cuddling other sentinels in the temple

[d1ta]

@SilentShadows
Somehow.. that kinda makes me think of Sentinels doing group hugs and high fives... O.o' LoL..
"Cheerful Abelas" I wonder if that would ever work XD.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I wonder what would Abelas think about cuddling. Would he be confused or master cuddler Maybe he has spend all his time cuddling other sentinels in the temple

 

They gotta spend all those centuries doing SOMETHING 

 

Honestly, I don't think he'd get as hung up on physical intimacy so much as emotional intimacy.  He's got the fish out of temporal water problem even worse than Solas.

[Abelas Forever!]

@SilentShadows
Somehow.. that kinda makes me think of Sentinels doing group hugs and high fives... O.o' LoL..
"Cheerful Abelas" I wonder if that would ever work XD.

  Maybe sentinels behave differently when there is no outsiders around. Hugging etc. That would be quite surprise if that would be true.

 

Maybe Inquisitor interrupted Abelas' hugging sessions and that's why he was so grumpy

[Babelas]

Awww I wish I could draw! The image of Abelas with his arms out saying "Group hug" after killing a bunch of people is priceless. I bring cuddles and art.

 

Someone already knew the truth!

 

 

He secretly wants to hug. I knew it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

These two for giggles:

 

 

[Babelas]

All right SabeR. Your Abelas and Flemythal thoughts finally caught up with me. I was minding my own business and had to think about what would happen if Abelas had to choose between the children in the temple (and according to the codexes there were children) and saving the well. If Mythal had been in her true form I do not think the goddess of motherhood would have chosen the well over children. But Flemeth... different story. Many sighs. As a mother myself I find this unthinkable but there it is. He would have to make a choice Brings home the true face of slavery.  Thank you for making me think. 

 

And let me just add... I went away and thought about this some more. I do think Flemeth may be bitter but I think she means well to an extent. She is a bit twisted. But... I think it is because she has had to make horrible decisions like the one I just mentioned, knowing it would ultimately benefit the People. The well was needed for Morrigan or the Inquisitor so the future could be shaped. But now the suffering of Flemeth and perhaps the elves like Abelas becomes more clear. They had to endure to help shape the future whether they realize it or not. It also makes Solas's unhappiness very plain. All this suffering because he was a young god who thought he knew best. I don't blame him mind you. He swapped one evil for another. It's just... if this line of thinking is an insight into the choices that were made for the future, no wonder Flemeth and Solas are so very pained. Who would ever want that responsibility? It's poignant but every decision decides the fate of the world. Ugggggggg.

[Nelyafinwe]

Creators, my favorite Finwe on the forums. The wrong voice actor was given on one site I saw and then finally BW gave his name. I love his voice. Maybe one day it will belong to the elf we actually get to take home and cuddle.

I'd give you two thumbs up but.....
Anyway I didn't even know Abelas could be murder knifed until this forum--jeeze Morrigan kill the cool elf huh. I hope we get DLC or he shows up in the next dragon age game as a companion.

[Sable Rhapsody]

All right SabeR. Your Abelas and Flemythal thoughts finally caught up with me. I was minding my own business and had to think about what would happen if Abelas had to choose between the children in the temple (and according to the codexes there were children) and saving the well. If Mythal had been in her true form I do not think the goddess of motherhood would have chosen the well over children. But Flemeth... different story. Many sighs. As a mother myself I find this unthinkable but there it is. He would have to make a choice Brings home the true face of slavery.  Thank you for making me think. 

 

And let me just add... I went away and thought about this some more. I do think Flemeth may be bitter but I think she means well to an extent. She is a bit twisted. But... I think it is because she has had to make horrible decisions like the one I just mentioned, knowing it would ultimately benefit the People. The well was needed for Morrigan or the Inquisitor so the future could be shaped. But now the suffering of Flemeth and perhaps the elves like Abelas becomes more clear. They had to endure to help shape the future whether they realize it or not. It also makes Solas's unhappiness very plain. All this suffering because he was a young god who thought he knew best. I don't blame him mind you. He swapped one evil for another. It's just... if this line of thinking is an insight into the choices that were made for the future, no wonder Flemeth and Solas are so very pained. Who would ever want that responsibility? It's poignant but every decision decides the fate of the world. Ugggggggg.

 

You're welcome?  I mean, sad thoughts but interesting, right?

 

I think Flemeth and Solas took different approaches toward making choices that affect the future, though.  From what little we know about Solas, he sounds like he was a hot-headed revolutionary.  Trying to change things in great, epic sweeps without much thought to the consequences of what he was doing until it was far too late to reverse.  As we've seen her in-game, Flemeth was much more subtle.  More about nudging people to be in the right place at the right time, less about violent overthrow.  Though Solas picked up a bit of that approach with his aid for the Inquisitor.

 

I dunno.  Before DA:I, Flemeth's motives were always relatively inscrutable.  Based on the way she talks in the Fade, IMO it's pretty clear that her end goal is one thing: retribution for Mythal.  However it shakes out, whomever is playing host to Mythal now, I don't think it'll be pretty.

[Cosmia]

I always eventually find my way back to this forum. Anyone have suggestions for what I can update the main post with?

[Sifr]

Every time I see "vacuum sealed armor" I think of the phrase, "really seals in the flavor."

If you understood that reference (specifically the video), I'm sorry.

 

"A is for Abelas, B is for Blight..."

 

(That video always makes me laugh)

 

[Babelas]

You're welcome?  I mean, sad thoughts but interesting, right?

 

I think Flemeth and Solas took different approaches toward making choices that affect the future, though.  From what little we know about Solas, he sounds like he was a hot-headed revolutionary.  Trying to change things in great, epic sweeps without much thought to the consequences of what he was doing until it was far too late to reverse.  As we've seen her in-game, Flemeth was much more subtle.  More about nudging people to be in the right place at the right time, less about violent overthrow.  Though Solas picked up a bit of that approach with his aid for the Inquisitor.

 

I dunno.  Before DA:I, Flemeth's motives were always relatively inscrutable.  Based on the way she talks in the Fade, IMO it's pretty clear that her end goal is one thing: retribution for Mythal.  However it shakes out, whomever is playing host to Mythal now, I don't think it'll be pretty.

No take it back. Me no want

 

I understood what it meant pertaining to just Flemythal. She wants vengeance at any cost. I shouldn't have lumped her and Solas together because it really is two different issues. But what I didn't connect is how Flemeth's unique brand of insanity via wisp pertained to Abelas and all the elves in the temple. It also makes more sense why Solas seemed compassionate towards them. I used to think it was because they were Elvhen but now... I assume Solas knows what they have been through. He did seem genuinely surprised that the temple still stood because I have to wonder if he would have tried to have them released from their prison. And it was a prison. Abelas speaks fondly of Mythal in her original form. She was no doubt a different person then and his world was also very different. I think his fondness is for the glory days. That would fall under slave mentality. Abelas was also in a crappy position. He was willed to stay I suspect, but I think he felt a deep responsibility to keep the knowledge of the well out of the wrong hands. Even if he didn't, he had no choice. Slave mentality is an awful thing. But the geis takes slave mentality a step further. *yay god of rebellion* Though why the hell Solas wants to bring back the gods if this is just a glimpse of what it was like... beyond me. Inky needs to slap some sense into him. But now, after visiting this line of thinking I am glad Solas absorbed Flemythal, though like you said it isn't the end of her. Also wish my Inky would have listened to Abelas when he warns about the geis. He sounded like a bit of a jerk when he was going on about it and a mortal not comprehending. Now I understand Abelas!!!!!! She drank it to spite Morrigan. Those are sound reasons for being bound to a goddess yes?

 

Hmmm cue random anger outburst if Abelas ever understands freedom.

[Babelas]

I'd give you two thumbs up but.....
Anyway I didn't even know Abelas could be murder knifed until this forum--jeeze Morrigan kill the cool elf huh. I hope we get DLC or he shows up in the next dragon age game as a companion.

I hope so too. Didn't have my Inky drink from the well until I found that out after watching a very unfortunate video of her doing it. She's gone mad with power.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Inky needs to slap some sense into him. But now, after visiting this line of thinking I am glad Solas absorbed Flemythal, though like you said it isn't the end of her. Also wish my Inky would have listened to Abelas when he warns about the geis. He sounded like a bit of a jerk when he was going on about it and a mortal not comprehending. Now I understand Abelas!!!!!! She drank it to spite Morrigan. Those are sound reasons for being bound to a goddess yes?

 

Hmmm cue random anger outburst if Abelas ever understands freedom.

 

I personally don't think Solas wants to bring the elven gods back.  If you listen to his dialogue carefully, he has a lot to say about Arlathan and how far the People have fallen.  Yet he never has a single good thing to say about the elven gods.  Or any gods in general, except ironically the idea of the Maker.  I think he's trying to find a way to restore the People without getting their former gods involved.

 

As for Abelas, I didn't listen to his warning either.  The whole "you cannot possibly comprehend" thing just slides right off my Lavellan.  She didn't drink from the Well because of what Cole says.  He describes the Well as a chorus of voices that will try to drown out your own, and that freaked her right the f*** out.

[Nelyafinwe]

You'd think she'd have a little more care, especially if she has Keiren.

But do you guys think Abelas is a dracolisk, hart or horse rider? Which one do you think he prefers?

[Babelas]

So... is Solas trying to destroy the veil then without releasing the gods? That would drive the humans out depending on how much of the Fade became exposed.

 

The problem I have with Solas now is I don't know how much of his past dialogue to believe. How much did he say to keep people like Cassandra from becoming suspicious? I always got the impression he was placating Cass to a large degree. He complimented her at times and also made the remark about the Maker etc. It sounded like lip service. But because he lied so much I really don't know what to believe about him. I also don't trust him as a character. He hurts too many people.

 

In my opinion, I see Abelas as a hart guy to be honest. I guess because it was the traditional mount according to the paintings in the temple and he seems like a very traditional elf. I think his feet would drag on the ground if he were to ride a halla. LoL. A horse feels like a human mount in the game. Dracolisks are just exotic either way you look at it. I think he'd ride a dracolisk before a horse.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Well, Solas still seems to see Mythal as his friend.

[Babelas]

Well, Solas still seems to see Mythal as his friend.

Right before he kills her lolol. See... this is why I do not trust Solas! He is a smooth talker.

[Nelyafinwe]

Right before he kills her lolol. See... this is why I do not trust Solas! He is a smooth talker.

Is she really dead though? I mean she died once for real--murdered, (although we do not know who did the crime.) and our wardens can kill her again and she still lives. A flesh and blood body doesn't seem to concern Mythal. For all we know just because Morrigan doesn't want Mythalhoodwe don't know if Flemeth/Mythal can/or can't take over one of her willing Sentinels. And why Morrigan? Dosen't she have tons of daughters?
Solas, what to say about him? Like what was the truth and what was lies? I like him but. :/ do we even know if those Veil 'strengtheners' actually do that?

[Sable Rhapsody]

Right before he kills her lolol. See... this is why I do not trust Solas! He is a smooth talker.

 

Have you seen Patrick Weekes' twitter interview?  He talks briefly about Cole and Solas, and how Cole always saw Solas for who he was.  Somehow I think that if Solas had been a manipulative bastard in everything he did, he wouldn't have gotten along nearly as well with the sweet cinnamon roll Spirit of Compassion.

 

Anyway, back to Mythal.  I don't think she can really die in the same sense that normal people do.  I get the distinct impression that the elven gods are some sort of mortal/spirit fusion, and when they die, they're like spirits in that some energy remains, something of who they were.  Maybe they "revert" to a spirit-form, and that's what came to Flemeth.  If she couldn't die for realsies once, I very much doubt that she died the second time either.

 

(Off topic: Finwe, your signature is awesome)

[Babelas]

I hate when I lose my text...

 

Perhaps because Solas is a spirit of some sort? I don't really care much for Solas's character, I enjoyed the writing, so it is very hard for me to remain impartial. I think he is a half truth telling manipulative bastard when it suits his purposes. Not all the time. I think this because I believe that was part of being an elven god back in the day. I get the distinct impression that it was a lot like playing the Orlesian Game. Solas - grey area over and over again. As for Cole, he isn't consistent. He says he reads people when they need him yet he quotes an intimate moment of Quanari sex. I still do not like how Solas operates and I never will because he is like Flemeth, in that he has one goal and he is dead set on that goal. People become expendable. When has that ever been okay? Why people defend him is beyond me. Anything he says is subject to doubt not necessarily manipulation but doubt. He'd make a great politician not so much a freedom fighter because, again, I don't trust him and I wouldn't follow him.

 

 

Spoiler

Taken directly from the designer notes: This is Flemeth from the previous two games. In this game, Flemeth's story comes to a head-- she knew that Solas would summon her, and that he would need to steal her power to further his plans. She knew that because they are both elven gods... yet Solas has slept for a thousand years and his power dwindled, while she was killed long ago and a spark escaped from her into the body she now holds. She has nurtured that spark, and knew that Solas would need it. He was once her oldest friend, but she knows that in his drive to restore the elven people he will kill anyone-- even her. She intends to let him have the power, so long as she can pass the essence of her god-hood onto Morrigan, a gift Flemeth had always planned for her daughter yet one Morrigan misunderstood as hostile possession

 

I think from that I interpret that Flemeth is dead but the Mythal wisp lives on. Who knows. It will probably change. But the kill anyone? okay... I hope I am not the only one who finds that disturbing. Back to my corner of shame.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Perhaps because Solas is a spirit of some sort? I don't really care much for Solas's character, I enjoyed the writing, so it is very hard for me to remain impartial. I think he is a half truth telling manipulative bastard when it suits his purposes. Not all the time. I think this because I believe that was part of being an elven god back in the day. I get the distinct impression that it was a lot like playing the Orlesian Game. Solas - grey area over and over again. As for Cole, he isn't consistent. He says he reads people when they need him yet he quotes an intimate moment of Quanari sex. I still do not like how Solas operates and I never will because he is like Flemeth, in that he has one goal and he is dead set on that goal. People become expendable. When has that ever been okay? Why people defend him is beyond me. Anything he says is subject to doubt not necessarily manipulation but doubt. He'd make a great politician not so much a freedom fighter because, again, I don't trust him and I wouldn't follow him.

 

Fair enough.  We'll agree to disagree, it's not the Solas thread anyway 

 

I agree that Flemeth is probably dead.  Which means that Morrigan is her last daughter in all likelihood, since Morrigan was pretty young as of DA:O.  I wonder if Morrigan gets the Mythal wisp because Flemeth has been "perfecting" her daughters?  Each generation of daughters has the potential to be more powerful than the last, and the last daughter Morrigan would then be the best host for Mythal?  Pure speculation, of course.

[Nelyafinwe]

There's Yavanna, (daughter of Flemeth) who looked about Alistair's age when she died.( I think she died, anyway) and do you think Abelas knew Flemeth/Mythal?