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[Babelas]

Post changed? I'll avoid Solas discussions that pertain to me disliking him lolol. It just sends out a vibe, I guess. I'm opinionated. I can't help it. 

 

Morrigan knew she was being tested by Flemeth. What is weird about the whole thing is that Flemeth seems to expect Morrigan to find this godhood, like she knows where she is headed. Strange voodoo. Or maybe Flemeth knows a certain event will lead Morrigan to the godhood. Hmmm... Interesting theory about perfecting daughters. Does she control the sex of the baby or have their been unfortunate boys born to Flemeth?

 

I don't know about Yavana. I mean wasn't that whole story supposed to be a 'what if' sort of thing? So Yavana could still live I guess. There could be other daughters? Maybe their power wanes as they age.

 

I don't know if Solas would or could even kill the Inquisitor. Inky is powerful in her/his own right. I get this feeling that Inky will only continue to get more powerful since there seemed to be this progression with the mark. There has to be another orb out there some where. Was the one he had even his orb or was it Mythal's? Was that ever decided? As for the sentinels... my theory is that they are controlled by the godhood (wisp) not the power since those seem to be separate entities. Whether Abelas would name Solas an enemy for theoretically harming Mythal, I suspect that would be up to Abelas's interpretation of events. But, Solas is a god to Abelas. I don't think he would challenge him. I don't know. It's another grey area. However, I suspect the sentinels felt the shift in power. It will be interesting to see if anything comes of it.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Post changed? I'll avoid Solas discussions that pertain to me disliking him lolol. It just sends out a vibe, I guess. I'm opinionated. I can't help it. 

 

Morrigan knew she was being tested by Flemeth. What is weird about the whole thing is that Flemeth seems to expect Morrigan to find this godhood, like she knows where she is headed. Strange voodoo. Or maybe Flemeth knows a certain event will lead Morrigan to the godhood. Hmmm... Interesting theory about perfecting daughters. Does she control the sex of the baby or have their been unfortunate boys born to Flemeth?

 

I don't know about Yavana. I mean wasn't that whole story supposed to be a 'what if' sort of thing? So Yavana could still live I guess. There could be other daughters? Maybe their power wanes as they age.

 

No, no, it's fine.  I just don't want to pull us off-topic, that's all

 

As for Flemeth, there's nothing about her in the lore having sons.  Only loads and loads of daughters.  Which by itself has some disturbing possibilities attached to it.  Maybe she abandons any sons, White-Walker style.  Maybe being host to Mythal lets her ensure that she only has daughters, and they're all mages.  Or maybe she's tried the whole thing where she passes on Mythal to her daughter before, and it just didn't work.  Yavana describes it as a "gift" that Morrigan misinterpreted as possession.  Maybe Morrigan's the first one who, for some reason, could actually play host to Mythal.

 

One way or another, I do feel bad for Morrigan.  She kind of has it coming if she drinks from the Well, but what Flemeth determines is in her best interest (receiving the god wisp) and what's ACTUALLY in Morrigan's best interest are probably two very different things.  Especially if she has Kieran.  Kind of makes you wonder what Abelas would think of Flemeth if they met face-to-face; she's probably very different from the Mythal he remembers.

[Babelas]

It always gets ugly and messy when children are involved :/ It's interesting Morrigan gave birth to a son. I wonder if that had something to do with the identity of the OGB or if it was just a random decision.

 

Do you think Abelas would know it was Mythal if he met Flemeth without being told she carried the wisp? That kind of creeps me out a bit. Hmmmm.... uggg you make me think. I suspect like you have said it would not be the Mythal he loved and was devoted to. The goddess of motherhood sounds pleasant. Flemeth just scares the crap out of me.

 

Abelas seems like on the surface to be a decent man. But then you wonder how did he get himself in the position he is in. Did he have to do underhanded scheming to become what I can only assume is a high priest? If god politics were messy surely temple politics were too, since these places were like cities. Abelas could be a nasty piece of work. I hope not  

[Nelyafinwe]

So is Flemeth like andraste where she could only have daughters? And temple politics was Abelas a priest back then though?

[Babelas]

So is Flemeth like andraste where she could only have daughters? And temple politics was Abelas a priest back then though?

I keep wondering if Flemeth was Andraste and Shartan was maybe Solas. Then the lore was changed by humans with Elgar'nan being the Maker. Probably not but it's fun to think about.

 

We know Abelas was a priest since the doors of the temple shut. We know he saw Mythal in her fullness, he has had several different names, he was not counted among the wise, he saw Arlathan before it was destroyed and that he, at some point, rose through the ranks to become the priest who makes the decisions in the Temple of Mythal and is charged with protecting the well. I would say the old woman who guides you through the temple predates Abelas. But I also have a funny feeling women and men had different roles within Mythal's temple. I don't recall any of the sentinels being female, yet the one who reminds me of something like a lore master is holding what may be a sacred book. She also does not fight. That's unfortunately the extent of my knowledge when it comes to Abelas and his priesthood. The rest is fun to speculate

[Abelas Forever!]

But do you guys think Abelas is a dracolisk, hart or horse rider? Which one do you think he prefers?

I think he would be a hart rider. I'm not sure why. For some reason when I think about harts I picture elves riding them and when I think about horses I picture humans riding them. But when I think about dracolisks I can't picture anybody riding them because when I see them, they seem to be so fragile.

 

When I first read this question I misread it and I though you were asking which one of these animals Abelas would be I started to think about that and I think he would be dracolisk because they seem to suffer all the time and because it seems that Abelas has suffered quite a lot then I thought that he would be dracolisk. I think he probably has had a hard life. I mean he was able to experience the time before Arlathan fall and the time when Mythal was alive and I believe that must have been very, I'm not sure happy time for him but probably quite amazing time. But then Mythal was killed and the sentinels locked themselves in that temple and time just passed by and he probably saw  that they were going to lose and not being able to protect the well and that temple and then they lost it and then some stranger drank from the well and now he will have to start over in world which must seem very strange to him.

[Babelas]

Very well said! I volunteer my next DA pc to help him.

[d1ta]

I keep wondering if Flemeth was Andraste and Shartan was maybe Solas. Then the lore was changed by humans with Elgar'nan being the Maker. Probably not but it's fun to think about.

*snip*..

If this were to happen (at least the part where Andraste is Mythal like Flemythal) and have such soul-crushing knowledge blew off and be known far and wide through out Thedas.. I can almost hear the common folk's uproar, Chantry's wailing and the Sunburst throne being shaken to the core

I would definitely laugh

[d1ta]

Btw, after the event on the Well where Solas told Abelas that he could go somewhere else and hoped he would find a new (and happier) name, do you think Abelas went and took up on Solas' offer to join 'his people' ?

Or would he be travelling else where, alone, in hiding and waiting for Mythal's guidance on where to go / what to do next?

... What do you think he'll do ?

[Abelas Forever!]

Very well said! I volunteer my next DA pc to help him.

Thank you   My next DA PC would like to help him too and she would like to give him some love too because I think Abelas needs love because he has suffered so much. Although I think he propably wouldn't want that at first so maybe my next DA PC would have to pursue him until he will realize that having a relationship with my PC is the best thing that could happen to him

[Abelas Forever!]

Btw, after the event on the Well where Solas told Abelas that he could go somewhere else and hoped he would find a new (and happier) name, do you think Abelas went and took up on Solas' offer to join 'his people' ?

Or would he be travelling else where, alone, in hiding and waiting for Mythal's guidance on where to go / what to do next?

... What do you think he'll do ?

I'm not sure does Solas mean that those people who he is talking about are his people. I thought that he knows that there are other ancient elves somewhere but they are not his people. I'm not sure what his people are. I mean are they other ancient elves or spirits or something else?

 

I think Abellas will seek those other ancient elves. I don't believe that he will wait for Mythal's guiding. I'm not even sure how much Mythal has guided those sentinels in that temple after her death. For some reason I have been thinking that sentinels were given a task to defent the temple and protect the well of sorrows and they continue to do that until they will fail. For me it seemed that they were waiting for Mythal to come back but she never came. So it's possible that they don't know about Flemeth. Maybe they think that she is still in the fade.

 

The temple is very interesting place because it seems that part of Mythal still exists there. Maybe part of her was always there and another part of her is at the same time part of Flemeth. I'm not sure what this mean and does it matter if parts of her are located in different places. Can those parts communicate with each other? Do you need to destroy all of them if you want to kill Mythal? Can Mythal be killed at all?

[Babelas]

Btw, after the event on the Well where Solas told Abelas that he could go somewhere else and hoped he would find a new (and happier) name, do you think Abelas went and took up on Solas' offer to join 'his people' ?

Or would he be travelling else where, alone, in hiding and waiting for Mythal's guidance on where to go / what to do next?

... What do you think he'll do ?

Long answer... sorry. But awesome questions! I wrote a book :/

 

I'm right there with you when it comes to the laughing at the Chantry. I've never been a fan of it especially after seeing mages and elves suffer so much because of it. Then the whole thing with Ameridan's identity. Chantry deserves to be brought down a peg or two more even after Inky made it look foolish. Perhaps, Andraste was one of Flemeth's daughters. But I do wonder about Shartan being Solas. Bald elf, depicted holding a key in the Chantry in Redcliffe stained glass window. It's like the story failed to mention why Shartan is holding a key (to the Fade?). The Chantry alters anything to do with elves and its past. I would love though for Solas to use the fact he was Shartan to get people like Cassandra and Leliana on his side, if he needs them. At this point I'm convinced he is the most powerful thing roaming Thedas since forever. I don't know how he would prove it if he was Shartan but it would be interesting. Plus, it seems ancient elves changed their names through their lifetimes. Wonder what Shartan means? Probably freaking Tevene for Pride. LOL

 

You know, for all my dislike of Solas's treatment of Lavellan, I think Abelas trusts him or at least views him as a god. I mean, it's difficult to imagine an elf worshiping Solas because of his wise and humble personality, but I don't think he was always like that. I think he changed with time and mellowed. Before then, I think he very much acted like the rest of the gods. Abelas probably knew it was the Dread Wolf because Solas was Mythal's good friend back in the day, and unless Solas lost his body too, which I don't think he did, then surely Abelas saw Solas in the temple at some point. Then again it says somewhere that the gods didn't physically interact with the regular elves. So maybe Abelas could feel the power. I get this weird idea that Abelas and company feel or perceive much more than they say.

 

What I did note is that Abelas says he wants to find somewhere that the Shemlen haven't touched (Inside Inky's trousers... sorry couldn't help it) Then Solas says there are other places and other duties. I think there is a group of ancient elvies somewhere together. Perhaps, a very large group working to do.... something! Yeah lame answer but I think Solas has them together via eluvian. I also think that even though we find Solas's comment vague, Abelas probably knew exactly what he was talking about. Like Elvhen such as you. Yes. Solas your Fen'Harel is showing! I'm going to stop talking about Solas now or try to. I don't know. The two elves are closely connected via Mythal. Hard not to.

 

 

I think Abelas will try and find his people and go have a big long cry. Why not? I agree his life has sucked for the last thousand years if not for longer and he needs love. I wouldn't mind playing the game as an ancient elf with amnesia lmao. I'd romance Abelas that way too. Abelas wanted Uthenera but Solas says don't do it... there are other things going on. 

 

I don't think Mythal has spoken to Abelas since she was murdered. Now... the watery tart in the well is a different story. I don't even know if Abelas knew she was in there like that and exactly what part of Mythal that is. Wet Mythal. Or maybe he did know there was an ancient naked goddess in the well. No more lonely nights. Guarding her like a jealous husband. I also am very uncertain whether Abelas would be inclined to listen to a wisp. It's only one aspect of his goddess not the whole. I think he is too wise for that. Then again, even that one aspect can control people. So maybe it did have sway over him and the sentinels.

 

Sometimes I think Solas might be a Forgotten One turned good and promoted to god since he could walk between both the gods and them. Or maybe the Forgotten Ones were once good and called something else then they were corrupted by the Void. I hope too see one in the next game. I think Imshael was one... I think. Choice Spirit FTW.

 

I get the feeling Flemeth went with her writer Just a feeling. I think Morrigan might be filling those shoes from now on. But it would be nice to get insight into how their brand of voodoo works. I'm already looking forward to the next game. I think we have a new expansion headed our way soon.

[d1ta]

LoL at inside the pants joke

Yeah, I also kinda get that vibe where Abelas may have some idea on who Solas really is (you're mean to me but respectful to Solas? O.o' .. LoL. Confusing day at the temple indeed)

Is it crazy that I'm starting to feel like looking forward to meeting DA4 soon? LoL. Companion and un-gated romance pls!!
I can already imagine the story line.. ♡♡

[Abelas Forever!]

I'm almost certain that Abelas knew that Solas was Fen'Harel because he seems to be quite angry at him and the way he says that "Elvhen such as you" so it  seems that he knows who Solas is and what he has done. Maybe Abelas thinks that the fall of Arlathan happened because of him as well as elves' current state. Anyway I'm not sure how he knows that Solas is Fen'Harel. Maybe he had seen him before Arlathan fell. Maybe he wasn't always at that temple or he visited somewhere outside the temple where he could have seen him. The other possibility is that he can sense that he is Fen'Harel.  Anyway Abelas seems to respect Solas even though he seems to be angry at him. So even though he is angry at him he is capable of taking his advice so it seems that he is quite reasonable person.

[Abelas Forever!]

Is it crazy that I'm starting to feel like looking forward to meeting DA4 soon? LoL. Companion and un-gated romance pls!!
I can already imagine the story line.. ♡♡

I'm also looking forward the next DA game and hoping that he is a companion and LI as well. I used to think that characters who had died shouldn't be bring back life but I have changed my mind and because it has happened before I don't want them to stop now. Abelas is too gorgeous

[Tielis]

Btw, after the event on the Well where Solas told Abelas that he could go somewhere else and hoped he would find a new (and happier) name, do you think Abelas went and took up on Solas' offer to join 'his people' ?

Or would he be travelling else where, alone, in hiding and waiting for Mythal's guidance on where to go / what to do next?

... What do you think he'll do ?

 

Not that I like it at all, but I have a feeling that he tracked Solas and became one of his followers.  And since I think Solas will be a villain in the next game (or story DLC), we will have to fight Abelas.  

 

What I really want is

 

<-- that

 

but since DA has always been about making players cry about elves, well, I'm not holding my breath.

[Babelas]

Not that I like it at all, but I have a feeling that he tracked Solas and became one of his followers.  And since I think Solas will be a villain in the next game (or story DLC), we will have to fight Abelas.  

 

What I really want is

 

<-- that

 

but since DA has always been about making players cry about elves, well, I'm not holding my breath.

I have to say I don't really see Abelas following Solas. He may go wherever it is his people are holed up. But after thousands of years of loyalty to Mythal that isn't going to change over night. Solas has Mythal's power not her godhood. So if Morrigan takes up the godhood that's who Abelas will be following imo whether he wants to or not. 

[Tielis]

I have to say I don't really see Abelas following Solas. He may go wherever it is his people are holed up. But after thousands of years of loyalty to Mythal that isn't going to change over night. Solas has Mythal's power not her godhood. So if Morrigan takes up the godhood that's who Abelas will be following imo whether he wants to or not. 

 

Good point, but we don't know if Morrigan is Mythal yet.

[Abelas Forever!]

I don't think Abelas would follow Solas because he seems to be quite angry at him at the temple unless Solas is going to do something that Abelas would agree. To me it seemed that Abelas knew what Solas had done but didn't agree with that. But if Solas's mission is important also to Abelas then I believe that he would help him even though Abelas seems to dislike him.

 

I'm not sure would Abelas follow Morrigan even if she has become Mythal or if Mythal is part of her because Mythal could have changed when she died or when she was part of Flemeth. Maybe Mythal has changed even more when she became part of Morrigan. So it's possible that Abelas don't want to follow the new Mythal because she isn't the same anymore if he has choice at all.

 

I think it's also possible that Abelas couldn't have chosen whether he became one of the sentinels or not. Maybe it was expected of him to become one. To me it seems that if something like that was expected of him then he might have done it and continue be one after Mythal was dead. At some point Abelas must have promised to protect the well. He also seems to be the kind of person who keeps his promises so when he had failed and somebody had drank from the well it might be that he don't want to follow anyone anymore if he can choose.

 

I'm not sure does it mean that Mythal is part of Morrigan because Flemeth send her godhood to Morrigan. I thought that sending the goodhood to Morrigan  meant that Morrigan became immortal. Maybe she also accuired some other skills but I believe that Mythal is dead. I'm not sure are those who are bound to Mythal now bound to Solas or Morrigan or are they now free. I don't think they are free but I believe that they are bound to Solas instead of Morrigan because I believe that godhood defines who you are. You can be immortal because of it or you have the ability to access spells you would't otherwise could like it's some kind of specialization. I think the power can be used to control people who are bound and Solas has that power.

[Babelas]

If the Inquisitor drinks from the well, when you confront Flemeth with Morrigan then Flemeth is able to make you physically stop Morrigan from casting a spell at her mother. The Inquisitor has no control over his/her actions. That's when the Inquisitor figures out that Flemeth is Mythal. What I take from that is that whoever has the godhood = Mythal wisp, has control of those who are bound to Mythal. Abelas is bound to that wisp so whoever has the wisp controls his leash. It's sad but true according to what I saw in the game. I am uncertain why Abelas is bound to Mythal. Some part of me believes he came to her as a willing servant, another part believes he came to her seeking justice and since he says no boon of Mythal's was ever free, he was then placed in her service as payment. 

 

What I'd love to know is if there is someway to become unbound to Mythal. I assume she probably released people on occasion after a couple thousand years servive lol

[Babelas]

Oh yeah and I never did ask if anyone believes what Solas did to Flemeth would count as harming Mythal? If that's the case wouldn't Abelas and sentinels be obliged to seek retribution?

[Sable Rhapsody]

What I'd love to know is if there is someway to become unbound to Mythal. I assume she probably released people on occasion after a couple thousand years servive lol

 

I think if quizzy drinks, s/he can demand that Flemeth release them.  Flemeth never says that she can't break the geas, so I'm guessing she can?  Not sure why she would, though.  If Morrigan drinks and has the soul wisp, the geas is probably irrelevant.  If quizzy drinks, I very much doubt Morrigan would pass up having a bunch of ancient elvhen sentinels AND the Inquisitor under her thumb.

[Abelas Forever!]

If the Inquisitor drinks from the well, when you confront Flemeth with Morrigan then Flemeth is able to make you physically stop Morrigan from casting a spell at her mother. The Inquisitor has no control over his/her actions. That's when the Inquisitor figures out that Flemeth is Mythal. What I take from that is that whoever has the godhood = Mythal wisp, has control of those who are bound to Mythal. Abelas is bound to that wisp so whoever has the wisp controls his leash. It's sad but true according to what I saw in the game. I am uncertain why Abelas is bound to Mythal. Some part of me believes he came to her as a willing servant, another part believes he came to her seeking justice and since he says no boon of Mythal's was ever free, he was then placed in her service as payment. 

 

What I'd love to know is if there is someway to become unbound to Mythal. I assume she probably released people on occasion after a couple thousand years servive lol

Flemeth/Mythal has her god-hood and her power when she meets the inquisitor and is able to control her/him if she/he drank from the well. I think she can do that because of her power. I guess that leads to a question how all those people are bound to Mythal? Are they bound to her god-hood or are they bound to her in some other way and her power is used to control them if it's needed? Anyway I think the whole power and god-hood is very confusing because to me they belong together. If all those people are bound to Morrigan then can she control them without Mythal's power? If Solas has Mythal's power then can he control those who are bound to Morrigan?

I think it's possible to become unbound to Mythal. I just wonder why she hasn't unbound them earlier unless she thinks she can use them or maybe she gave them to Solas because I think he needs them more than Morrigan because of his mission what ever that is.

 

 

Oh yeah and I never did ask if anyone believes what Solas did to Flemeth would count as harming Mythal? If that's the case wouldn't Abelas and sentinels be obliged to seek retribution?

I think Solas killed Mythal so that he could get her power.

I'm not sure would Abelas and the other sentinels revenge Mythal's death. Even though it seems that other ancient elves warred against each other but to me it seems that those sentinels are different. To me they seem to be those kind people who are sworn an oath to do something but they don't have the desire to revenge. To me they seem to accept whatever will happen and move on. Meybe there are different sentinels and while others would't want to revenge the others might want to. I don't think Abelas would want to revenge Mythal's death. Hard to say but I believe he wouldn't do that.

[Serelir]

Abelas seems like on the surface to be a decent man. But then you wonder how did he get himself in the position he is in. Did he have to do underhanded scheming to become what I can only assume is a high priest? If god politics were messy surely temple politics were too, since these places were like cities. Abelas could be a nasty piece of work. I hope not

If Abelas returns in D4, I'd rather see him as a complicated, ambiguous character than as a nice-but-misunderstood or an evil, scheming character. I think there's a huge gulf between the culture of the ancient elves and what elves have become. His story could revolve around finding himself in a world that's changed drastically - I'm not sure how aware the Sentinels were of events going on around them? So his perceptions would be filtered through the lens of his experience, which may have been formed in a rigidly hierarchical society - though whether that's very different from the rest of modern Thedas is arguable!

 

What would it be like to emerge from the temple to find that your society has been completely demolished and your people banished and enslaved? You spent your life preserving knowledge that's been taken in an instant. With whom would he ally? Would he become completely embittered, or would he embrace the beginning of a new life, freed from his centuries of service?

[Kestrel]

Hi, I'm still alive. And I'm still writing plenty of Dragon Age fan fiction and theories on Abelas. The Albatross has over 12k words now, so... there's that. Have I missed much?

 

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