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[MissOuJ]

I'm calling it now! Abelas as a party member and/or LI in DA4!

 

 

[Honestly, though, I'm mainly here for the headline. A++, OP. A++]

[Phoenix_Also_Rises]

I'm calling it now! Abelas as a party member and/or LI in DA4!

 

 

[Honestly, though, I'm mainly here for the headline. A++, OP. A++]

 

I was thinking he could be a party member too! While yes, he could have gotten stabbed in some playthroughs, it is not something that cannot be written off as "he almost died from that stab wound, but then he just walked it off." Any potential future encounters with Morrigan may be slightly awkward, though

 

I think it would be such a shame if he does not appear in a greater capacity in future games. I mean, his existence alone raises so many questions. How does this hibernation thing work? Could he give us more info on the elven gods? How would he react to how much the world has changed? What would his views on the current issues be? Would he find it difficult to adapt and fit in or would he take things in stride? He is almost like Corypheus in that regard - having slumbered for a long time, suddenly awoken many centuries later - which, when you think about it, is kind of insane, except with Corypheus this aspect of the character was never really explored. I thought this was a great opportunity that was sadly missed (I love me some layered and interesting antagonists). Abelas could be this huge chance at pursuing these issues further, I think it would be fantastic if he came back in the next game, preferably as a companion.   

[Abelas Forever!]

I had contemplated a relationship between Dorian and Abelas. But I don't think Abelas would be into humans. I can see Abelas as bisexual but only interested in elves. I think he's just old fashioned that way. Hell... it's hard to see him with just any elf. He seems so particular about everything. LoL. 

 

Can you see Abelas submitting to humans? I can't. I think it would be very dangerous for Abelas to go to Tevinter. I think Dorian means well but how would they keep him safe? Then again, I like to think he can turn into a dragon. He could just snack on some magisters if they tried to hurt him. 

 

I think if Abelas was presented to a Keeper like Marathari first along with some of his sentinels it might be a place to start. Anyone can be closed minded. But I think the Dalish would be more receptive to him because of his markings. They identify with that so strongly. Solas was at a disadvantage because of that straight away. Abelas could demonstrate his fluency in elvish as well and I think the height of him and his sentinels and their armour would also raise some questions. There aren't many elves like that. The biggest problem for Abelas is that he himself does not identify with the current age of elves. They aren't his people. I still do not know what he means by that and why. So many assumptions were made about that comment but we really don't know what he means by it. I think he is appalled by elves hiding in the forest. Can't imagine what he would think of a city elf. The words human pet come to mind unfortunately and I loved my city elf Origin Warden. 

 

I wonder if maybe some Dalish have found the temple in the past? But I also think like you that they can do what Solas does and watch dreams. Interesting Abelas could speak the common tongue but I did love the detail of having the guide speak only in the ancient tongue. That was a nice touch. 

 

I still think Abelas could have survived Morrigan's backstabbing. There could be a scene where if you chose to kill him it shows the other sentinels coming to his aid after you leave the temple and he leaves. Either way, I wished after finding out Morrigan could kill him that I'd had the option to kill her instead and take Abelas with me

I believe that Abelas could fell in love with a human. I believe that it's possible that elves didn't hate humans before their Empire fell. Quite many Dalish and City Elves hate humans but that probably wasn't the case in Elven Empire. I have been thinking that Morrigan could be a good partner for Abelas unless she tried to kill him of course or she is with warden. I started to thinking about that after all the discussion about to whom the sentinels are bound to so if they are bound to Morrigan then she and Abelas could spend time together and they might fell in love. What comes to Dorian I could see them being together. Dorian wants to change things in Tevinter and I think he wants to make it a better place and I could see that Abelas might agree on those changes whatever they are. I don't remember anymore. All I remember that Dorian wanted to change Tevinter into something better.

I don't think Abelas could ever be anyone's slave. Well he is now but being slave whose owner is human is probably something that Abelas wouldn't tolerate.

I believe that some Dalish have tried to enter the temple of Mythal and the sentinels have killed them because they are protecting the temple from everybody. For some reason I have come to a conclusion that he don't like them. I don't think it's just because they don't know about their heritage or that they are not immortal. Maybe there is another reason. Maybe their ancestors did something but the current Dalish have forgotten it. It could be that he cares more about the city elves because quite many Dalish seems to behave like they are superior and better than the city elves. It could be that Abelas would like to teach the city elves instead of Dalish. Maybe the city elves have different ancestors than Dalish.

I have very hard time picturing Abelas teaching Dalish. Somehow when I try that I see him marching in their camp and announcing that "Shemlem. Do you really think you know about your heritage?" I mean he isn't always very subtle. Although some of the Dalish might be more receptive so it could work if he wants to teach them.

I think it was interesting that Abelas and the sentinels didn't want to help the inquisitor to save the world. Maybe it's nothing but when you think about it. He is going to sleep. I mean Corypheus is threaten the whole world and Abelas thinks that he can just go to sleep and survive.
 

[90s Kai]

Everyone is talking about how they can imagine Abelas with a human or elf. I would love to see him with a dwarf though. I know it sounds crazy and impossible. But my Cadash (as well as myself) was enamored with Abelas. Then again she had the hots for Solas too but stupid race gating kept her friend-zoned. Ah well, that's just my two cents on the matter. But I think Morrigan stabbing him didn't really kill him a little stab wound to the back couldn't (at least I hope so) kill an almost immortal being after withstanding how many countless invasions. So I think hew will be a companion or at least he will have an important role in the next game.
Anyway I'm glad this thread is a thing. It makes me happy!

[Tielis]

Maybe the city elves have different ancestors than Dalish.

 

It may be the case that everything we've been led to believe is backwards.  After all, think about what Solas reveals about the vallaslin.

 

Oh, and as far as Dorian inviting him to Tevinter, that may just be Dorian being clueless again.  

[Babelas]

I am thrilled to see the thread active again. There seem to be a sudden resurgence in Abelas love. That can never be a bad thing. 

 

@Tielis LoL! So true. I love Dorian but he does have a very naive view of the world. It's not his fault. I blame his upbringing. I was also uncomfortable when I spoke to him about slavery. He was not very empathetic in my opinion. I also noticed when I encountered slavers in the Hissing Wastes that he was surprised at how scared the slaves were, as if they had been taken out there for a cheese party or something.

 

Kai, I think that we really don't know Abelas. We make so many assumptions and for all we know he may have a thing for dwarves. I wouldn't rule anything out. The problem is that the next best thing we have to go on is Solas when it comes to trying to understand Abelas. He was race gated probably due to time limits and budget. But that is really not the best example because Abelas and Solas are from socially different standings, unless Solas was a slave at some point. He doesn't have vallaslin so I can only assume he was never a slave, in which case, their views on the world are surely very different.

 

I also get the feeling Abelas does not like Solas. I don't know why. But there is something there or maybe Abelas just sounds that grumpy with everyone. Hard to say really. I do know that originally that the orb was supposed to be Mythal's orb. I think that is why he mentions the mark on Inky's hand as being familiar. But then I think BW changed it to be Solas's magical orb. It may be that originally there was supposed to be a dislike for Solas and then it was written out but the voice acting was already completed.

 

What I do believe is that Abelas is desperate to be away from mortals. I wonder if he witnessed the quickening once humans showed up and he is actually scared of it happening to him? What would be interesting is watching an elf like Abelas embrace mortality. He has lived his life for someone else and been within the walls of a temple for at least 1,000 years, so has he really lived? I'd argue that Inky and company have really lived because I think as a mortal you appreciate everything more. Time has meaning. Abelas could do with embracing life instead of living in the past. But I suspect that is the immortal mindset. They don't like things to change or they are extremely slow to change. He's like a big old oak tree. Actually, more like this Black Walnut I have in my yard. Every year it takes forever to leaf out and then in autumn it drops all its leaves at once... like I'm done and now I'm going to sleep and I'll wake up next spring when I feel like it. It is the grumpiest damn tree. My Abelas tree.

[Abelas Forever!]

I could see Abelas being in a romantic relationship with a dwarf. I'm not sure was it in The Witch Hunt DLC where some dwarves tried to help some elves so it might have been that elves and dwarves had good relationships a long time ago. Well it might have been after Elven Empire fell or it was just a single occasion. I have been a hard time picturing Abelas with a qunari because of how they treat mages and because of their culture. I mean Abelas probably doesn't appreciate those who try to convert him into their religion. However it could be possible for Abelas to be with a qunari if that person doesn't belong to Qun. What comes to Solas I believe that there weren't enough resources to make him available to everybody. That's why he is so restricted and has so little romance content compared to other LIs. I'm glad that he is LI nevertheless because I like his romance most in all of the romance options.

I also thought that Abelas didn't like Solas and I believe he knows who Solas is and doesn't approve what he did to the gods. I also know that the orb was supposed to be Mythal's. Could it still be hers? Could it be that she gave the orb to Solas a long time ago? It makes me wonder is Solas truly a god like the rest of the elven gods. Maybe he is just some ancient elf who is Mythal's favourite or tool to get her revenge. So many things are possible and many things might have changed even after the game was released.

I'm not sure about the quickening. It might be that it's one more thing that elves got wrong. Maybe some of the elves wanted to become mortal so that their life have more meaning and that knowledge has vanished and twisted into something else. Abelas had his duty. He couldn't become mortal even if he wanted to. But did he want to? I have no idea

[Babelas]

I am now picturing Abelas and scout Harding together. It's too cute!

 

Yeah I have to agree. I can't see Abelas being happy with someone trying to convert him. I see fireballs in that person's future Solas was my favorite romance option too for Inquisition. Zevran is my all time favorite but if Abelas is an option in DA4...no contest. The sentinel would win. 

 

See... I don't think Solas is a god like Mythal and Elgar'nan etc... I think he is some sort of Forgotten One raised up by the gods. Speaking of which, I really want to see Elgar'nan. Being born from the sun has to mean awesome elf. 

 

Abelas was obsessed with the water tart in the well. I don't think he wanted to be mortal but he really needs a partner. Anything other than that well. Something tells me modern day elves are not quite elfy. I think they are either only a portion elf or that elves  like Abelas are possessed by spirits. Like a spirit of Justice and the gods are like Cole in that they were spirits (maker's first children) and manifest themselves into a physical being like Cole when they wanted to converse with their followers.I think Solas and all of them were the first children. They just have fancy

backstories now

 

Also, perhaps if the Fade was once part of Thedas and that is what the elves lived in it kept them immortal. Being cut off from it quickened their lives. It's a guess that makes weird sense in my scary brain.

 

[Abelas Forever!]

My favourite romance in DA:O was Alistair and Fenris in DA2. I haven't romanced other characters in those games. I tried Zevran but I didn't finish that playthrough. I haven't even tried Anders. Even though Solas is my favourite romance in DA:I at the moment I might change my opinion if that romance is handled badly in the future. The worse thing I could think of is that I can't decide whether to reunite with him or not and he becomes some evil dude which I have to kill. That would be lame in my opinion. Usually I want to play romances where the couple realize that this is it. This is the love of their love thing. That's why I don't usually like romances which end badly and I can't do anything about it.  One exception is that the both of them will die.

I think too that Abelas needs a partner. Although it could be possible that he has a partner but we haven't seen that. That's horrible though because I want my DA4 PC to fell in love with him and I want him to fell in love with my DA4 PC. Maybe he didn't have anybody at the Temple because he wanted to work so much and dedicate his life to Mythal or he had some not serious relationships that didn't mean anything and that's why he is free to fell in love with my DA 4 PC

I'm not sure could all the elves have a spirit inside them. Maybe all the gods could have but I'm not sure about all of the ancient elves. I think Solas said something about immortality and elves. I don't remember exactly what he said but I got the impression that elves were immortal because they were elves. Whatever that means. The spirit in every elf could explain that or maybe the fade was part of Thedas like you said or maybe they had a special connection to Fade and some of the elves chose to abandon that and that made them mortal. When those elves had children then they were mortal as well because they didn't know about the connection. It could be that the connection to the Fade needed some special equipment that weren't allowed to those who were slaves in Tevinter and those who were free didn't have them either. Or it could be that the ancestors of the Dalish were those who had abandoned that connection and that made them mortal. I believe that Abelas and the sentinels are immortal. It could be because they are bound to Mythal or they have a spirit inside them or that they still know how to be connected to Fade. It could also be that being elf means that you worship your elven god and that makes you immortal.

 

Your theory about elven gods being like Cole is interesting. I think it makes sense. If the Fade was part of the Thedas like you said it must have affected only to elves because humans came and they didn't became immortal. The elves lost their immortality when the humans came. Allthough that is not a fact. Dalish just believe that and their beliefs are not always correct Maybe the Fade was part of Thedas that made elves immortal like you said and when the Fade wasn't part of the Thedas anymore some elves could connect themselves into Fade and that way they could maintain their immortality. Maybe only nobility had that connection and they didn't allow that to everybody and that made more and more elves mortal.

[Babelas]

I don't think Solas will ever become evil per say. I think there will be some grey area we have to wade through and figure out if Inky wants to wade into it with him. My Inky is done with him unless a miracle happens. It would have to be the best damn backstory ever. She has been through enough and personally, I have issues with the romance aspect. Trust comes to mind. I don't know if Inky could ever trust him again, plus how weird would it be for a Dalish to romance their own god? I don't know. Weird in a way. Outside of the romance, I really enjoy the character.

 

Usually I want to play romances where the couple realize that this is it. This is the love of their love thing. That's why I don't usually like romances which end badly and I can't do anything about it.  One exception is that the both of them will die.

 

Same...  I love complicated in literature and movies but not so much in games. I think because I'm controlling the protagonist I find myself more emotionally attached, which is great. But it also has the downside of hurting more if I can't find a way to resolve the issue. I can't recall ever having to deal with a cliffhanger relationship in the previous DA games. You could always resolve the relationship one way or another. Meh...think I'd rather have golden thighs straight up without the drama. LoL.

 

I still do not think Abelas has a partner. Mostly because of the codexes found about him. He sounds lonely to be honest and it sounds like he carries this self imposed burden of being the one to carry on the legacy of the Elvhen. He mentions children in the temple but not his own (assuming he is in to women.) If he had a partner, why are they not teaching together? The entries were of a personal nature so I would have expected him to mention it then. Mr. Misery doesn't. I think he could have had one and they died during a temple fight or he only had the odd relationship here and there. I think once the doors shut, Abelas's life became one purpose and he does not allow anything to interfere with that. Plus, I really don't want him to have a partner either LoL. We need DA4 Abelas romance! There is the possibility Mythal and him played priest and goddess in the well when Elgar'nan was out throwing a tantrum somewhere. (everyone hates my theory on this hehehe) I still wonder about the eye color too. 

 

Yeah he said they were immortal because they were elves. Yep, I think the sentinels are immortal too. I think immortality does have something to do with the Fade. I find some things in Thedas similar to Tolkien's own work. Like the idea of their being the first and second children and the pantheon of gods.  First children were elves in Tolkien's work. It's interesting to me that the elven gods came first before human beliefs so I kind of see them as the first children. The elves eventually had to leave Middle-Earth and if they didn't they faded away after a long time. I'm wondering if the Fade was sort of the Valinor of Thedas. 

 

Hmmm well in Tolkien's work he made the seven gods first to rule over the earth. ( I think it was 7) They were tied heavily to the elves. That's why I wonder if the elven gods are the equivalent. They came first, the difference being they became corrupt except for some of them. In the Silmarillion one god caused the problems, created the orcs, dragons etc... I think we are going to meet the equivalent of Melkor in this next installment of DAI. I'm hoping it's Anaris. That dude fascinates me from that one codex where he fights Andruil over the Dread Wolf. But it may be more of Skyrim-esque type villain in that he wants to destroy the world and recreate it or not at all.

[Qun00]

"Vacuum sealed armor"? What does that even mean?

[Babelas]

"Vacuum sealed armor"? What does that even mean?

I believe it refers to how tight his armor is and that it keeps him preserved while he sleeps. I always found it funny. Maybe ask the op.

[Qun00]

Clever joke, if that's the case.

[Babelas]

Adorable Abelas picture. Had to be posted:

 

[Abelas Forever!]

I also think that it's unlikely that Solas becomes some evil dude in the following DLCs. I think that it's still possible and I fear that it will happen although I think it's unlikely. I don't believe that everything will turn out to be just some misunderstanding either. I believe that he has done some bad things and has or will do some bad things to fix them. My Inky would forgive him everything because to me it seemed that he loved her so much and because of the circumstances they couldn't be together. I love those kind of stories if there is a way to be together in the end. I think Morrigan romance in DA:O had also a cliffhanger but you could reunite with her in the witch hunt DLC.

I get too emotionally attached to DA and ME PCs so when something bad happens then I'm really hurt. When I compare the romances with male PC to female PC then I get more frustrated because there has been more romances that end badly with female PC than male PC. Actually if you play as male PC you can always have a happy ending with your LI if you want it but if you play as a female PC then that is not always the case. ME3 was the game that treated romances for female PCs very badly and there were romances that end badly no matter what decision you did in the game. Before that there was always a way to have a happy ending with your LI. I'm just hoping that there is a way to have a happy ending with Solas and by that I mean that I can take him back or die with him.

I don't believe either that Abelas has a partner. It's unlikely that he has one but in a way possible. But I still hope he doesn't have one I'm bad but I want him to fell in love with my DA4 PC

Babelas could you remind me of your Mythal/Abelas theory? I remember vaguely reading about it.

I'm not familiar with Tolkien's lore. I have only seen the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Anyway I have been thinking that could it be that the ancient elves are different than modern elves. Maybe only the nobel elves were immortal and the rest of them were mortal. So when Arlathan fell there were only servants and other lower class elves around that weren't immortal. So the elves actually didn't lose their immortality it's just one thing that Dalish got wrong. The immortal elves are just hiding somewhere like Abelas and the sentinels. That could also explain why Abelas and Solas don't think the modern elves are their people.

[Vit246]

Y'know, I wish that before Abelas walked away, he apologized to the Lavellan for saying she was not his people or said that perhaps he was wrong, and addressed her as lethallin or something like that.

[Babelas]

Y'know, I wish that before Abelas walked away, he apologized to the Lavellan for saying she was not his people or said that perhaps he was wrong, and addressed her as lethallin or something like that.

The Inquisitor was an invader in his home. If someone came into my home unannounced and I knew they were likely after the most valued object in my house, I would not be welcoming either, nor would I be calling them by a friendly term. Abelas reluctantly gave up the well at the end. He dedicated his  immortal life to watching over the well because he was that devoted to Mythal. What does the Inquisitor or Morrigan, for that matter, really know about Mythal? The Inquisitor did not do Abelas a favor. He did the Inquisitor one by offering an alliance and answering questions. In the end, what he did was gracefully give away the last of what he identified as Elvhenan. That could not have been easy for him. 

 

As for being one of the People, well Abelas is not one of the People and the Inquisitor is not one of the Elvhen. Solas is one of the Elvhen and Abelas identifies with him. He simply does not identify with the Dalish, and I highly suspect he dislikes them because if they are his descendants, he hates what elves have become. I am not saying he hates his descendants, but how history has turned out. Abelas, I noticed, also was very specific with his words and I think that was misinterpreted as him being an ass. LoL. He is the anti modern elf -- unyielding, unapologetic and knows exactly who he is and where he came from. 

[Abelas Forever!]

The Inquisitor was an invader in his home. If someone came into my home unannounced and I knew they were likely after the most valued object in my house, I would not be welcoming either, nor would I be calling them by a friendly term. Abelas reluctantly gave up the well at the end. He dedicated his  immortal life to watching over the well because he was that devoted to Mythal. What does the Inquisitor or Morrigan, for that matter, really know about Mythal? The Inquisitor did not do Abelas a favor. He did the Inquisitor one by offering an alliance and answering questions. In the end, what he did was gracefully give away the last of what he identified as Elvhenan. That could not have been easy for him. 

 

As for being one of the People, well Abelas is not one of the People and the Inquisitor is not one of the Elvhen. Solas is one of the Elvhen and Abelas identifies with him. He simply does not identify with the Dalish, and I highly suspect he dislikes them because if they are his descendants, he hates what elves have become. I am not saying he hates his descendants, but how history has turned out. Abelas, I noticed, also was very specific with his words and I think that was misinterpreted as him being an ass. LoL. He is the anti modern elf -- unyielding, unapologetic and knows exactly who he is and where he came from. 

Who are the People? Spirits? I get so confused when I start to think about this because at some point I was sure that when Solas talks about his people he meant the elven gods. Although he could also talk about spirits. At least they are his friends. I guess he could talk about ancient elves too. His followers. Maybe? But Abelas is an ancient elf and it seems that he doesn't belong to those People who ever they are. So there are ancient elves and at least not all of them belong to the group called the People. Solas' people. It also seems that elven gods are spirits or maybe they are not fully spirits and that's why they are different than spirits in the Fade. I guess it's accurate to call them powerful beings because I think Solas used that name when he talked about them. Hmm so maybe when ancient elves talk about their people they meant the followers of the certain god. So Abelas could belong to the People who worship Mythal and those People who worship Solas are his People. Unless it matters that Abelas is a sentinel and he can't for some reason be part of the People    Maybe I think too much

[Tielis]

Who are the People?

 

I think the People are the low-class, non-magic-using elves, and the Elvhen are the magocracy, much like Tevinter has become.  At least, that's how I think it was in Arlathan.  That Keepers know magic throws a wrench into this theory, but maybe that's why Abelas is surprised?  They have "evolved" into magic-users?

[Babelas]

*giggles* Silent Shadows your post had me in circles.  

 

This is how I look at it but I am very good at being very wrong:

 

“We are the Dalish: keepers of the lost lore, walkers of the lonely path. We are the last of the Elvhenan, and never again shall we submit.” ―The Oath of the Dales

 

Well the Dalish are wrong again. Shouldn't that oath also be Elvhen not Elvhenan? Maybe that was deliberate to show just how wrong the Dalish got it or is the wiki wrong?

 

The Dalish aren't the last of the Elvhen because some of the Elvhen are still kicking around, albeit grumpy with gorgeous thighs.  So if that is the case then these two things also do not apply to the Dalish:

 

Elvhen: "Our People". Elven name for their own race.

Elvhenan: Place of our people. The name of the elven civilization before the arrival of humans in Thedas.[37] Also could be translated as: "Our hearts".

 

The Dalish could possibly say they are the descendants of the Elvhen but they are not the Elvhen and they didn't come from Elvhenan. It would be like me saying I am British because my ancestors were British even though I was born in a different country. I tend to think that is where Abelas is coming from but who knows? Maybe there were different types of elves. 

 

One good point I have seen brought up is the idea of mortal elves in Elvhenan. There is a codex that mentions Andruil hunting mortals. It's unclear whether it means mortal elves or humans. So there really could have been a difference in elves like suggested above. But I really do understand why Abelas does not consider Lavellan one his people. For all we know, maybe he only considers those living in the temple with him his people since they have suffered through the ages with him. What i do know from the codex is that he was very proud of his culture and beliefs. Lavellan is a stranger to him. *sniffs* we just want to get to know you Abelas! Damn elf.

[Abelas Forever!]

Babelas that post I wrote was something I think about the whole thing Maybe I should try to explain it further and maybe it will make sense more to me as well I think I might have tried to explain all the possible possibilities in a one chapter. It happens to me quite often. I try to summarise my thoughts into a one sentence and the results are bad

It bothers my that Abelas and Solas don't think that modern elves are their people. I'm not sure why. I'm not sure is it because in the game it was possible for elven inquisitor to thought that all the elves belong to the People including all city elves, dalish and sentinels. Maybe that made me think too much about Abelas and Solas and what they think about elves because I think that not all Dalish think that city elves are true elves either and they are much better than them. Anyway it makes sense like Babelas said that if your ancestors once lived in Britain but you have born somewhere else then you probably don't identify as British. That could explain Solas' and Abelas' attitudes but still the whole thing bothers me. Because even though your ancestors once lived in Britain then those ancestors aren't here any longer. There are descandants of the Birtish whose parents have always lived in Britain and then there are descandants of British whose ancestors once lived in Britain. But in Thedas there are descendants of the ancient elves but some of their ancestors are still around like the sentinels. To me it makes me think that the ancient elves including Abelas should consider modern elves as their children. But not Abelas nor Solas does that and that bothers me. Why don't they want to educate the Dalish? Well I think Solas tried that but they didn't listen to him. I only wonder why.

It could also be possible that the modern elves have forgotten so much and they have changed a lot from their ancestors and that is why Abelas don't consider them as his People. But for some reason this still doesn't feel right. But if the Dalish are descendants of the slaves or criminals while they will behave like they are the descendants of the noble ancient elves then it makes more sense to me that Abelas doesn't like the Dalish at all. Well he could dislike them because they think they know everything when they don't know a thing. Somehow Abelas also seems to think more positively about slave elves in Tevinter. I only wonder is it because they are descendants of the nobel elves unlike the Dalish. It could also be that Abelas could like them more because they aren't arrogant and could also listen to what he would want to teach them.

The immortality also bothers me because I believe it's one more thing that Dalish got wrong. I don't believe that humans caused them to became mortal. I have been thinking that maybe some of the elves didn't want to live forever and they become the first mortal elves. Maybe if you have children with a mortal elf then the children are mortal as well. It could also be possible that the immortal elves don't consider those elves as good as they are even though they both are part of the same social class.

If only the nobel elves had magical abilites like Tielis said and the lower class elves didn't have those skills then when Arlathan fell maybe only the low class elves remained to defend the city with couple of elves who had magical abilities. So when Tevinter conquered the elven empire and captured all the elves including those who had magical abilities and those who didn't have them. When elves with magical abilities had children with normal elves the possibility to have a child with magical abilities were decreased and that's why the slave elves don't have many mages in their rank. Maybe this happened to Dalish as well. Maybe those who didn't become slaves had also elves with magical abilities in their group and when they had children with normal elves the possibility to have child with magical abilities was decreased. I think there are two possibilities to add the mortality into this whole thing. I think either the low class elves were mortal or the elves didn't want to be immortal anymore. Well who would want to be immortal slave? I also believe that the life of a Dalish elf wasn't much better either.

I think it could also be possible that Dalish are descendants of those elves who didn't defent the Elven empire. Maybe they ran away when they should have stayed to defend their land. That could also explain why Abelas doesn't like the Dalish. I mean he has been defending the well even though he knows that he will lose that battle some day while the descendants of the people who ran away think they are better than the rest of the elves. I believe that would make Abelas furious.

To summarise this all I think it's possible that elves with magical abilities could have had children with elves who didn't have any magical abilities and the child may or may not have magical abilities so when years passed by there are less and less elves with magical abilities. Almost same thing happened with immortal and mortal elves. When immortal elves had children with mortal elves the result was a mortal elf. When years passed by there were only mortal elves left because immortal elves can die if you kill them. Most likely if the elf becomes mortal then that elf cannot become immortal anymore or they didn't have that knowledge. I think that would explain why elves are what they are today.

I think Abelas might not consider the Dalish as his People because of their attitude and that they are descendants of the run away elves. Maybe their reluctance to listen to him affects his views as well. It could also be possible that he thinks sentinels are his People  and maybe all the followers of Mythal forms one group of People.

I think it's interesting that it seems that Mythal seems to agree that Solas' people need him and he is the only one who can help them. Maybe they are also Mythal's people as well because I don't see any reason for her to help him if it doesn't benefit her. Or maybe what he is going to do will help everybody. Or the People were originally Mythal's people but she can't help them because she isn't what she used to be. All I know that Mythal wouldn't help anybody if it doesn't benefit her and now it seeems that she died so that Solas could help his people. It also seems that I'm not any closer finding out who are the People Solas is talking about

[Babelas]

Babelas that post I wrote was something I think about the whole thing Maybe I should try to explain it further and maybe it will make sense more to me as well I think I might have tried to explain all the possible possibilities in a one chapter. It happens to me quite often. I try to summarise my thoughts into a one sentence and the results are bad

It bothers my that Abelas and Solas don't think that modern elves are their people. I'm not sure why. I'm not sure is it because in the game it was possible for elven inquisitor to thought that all the elves belong to the People including all city elves, dalish and sentinels. Maybe that made me think too much about Abelas and Solas and what they think about elves because I think that not all Dalish think that city elves are true elves either and they are much better than them. Anyway it makes sense like Babelas said that if your ancestors once lived in Britain but you have born somewhere else then you probably don't identify as British. That could explain Solas' and Abelas' attitudes but still the whole thing bothers me. Because even though your ancestors once lived in Britain then those ancestors aren't here any longer. There are descandants of the Birtish whose parents have always lived in Britain and then there are descandants of British whose ancestors once lived in Britain. But in Thedas there are descendants of the ancient elves but some of their ancestors are still around like the sentinels. To me it makes me think that the ancient elves including Abelas should consider modern elves as their children. But not Abelas nor Solas does that and that bothers me. Why don't they want to educate the Dalish? Well I think Solas tried that but they didn't listen to him. I only wonder why.

It could also be possible that the modern elves have forgotten so much and they have changed a lot from their ancestors and that is why Abelas don't consider them as his People. But for some reason this still doesn't feel right. But if the Dalish are descendants of the slaves or criminals while they will behave like they are the descendants of the noble ancient elves then it makes more sense to me that Abelas doesn't like the Dalish at all. Well he could dislike them because they think they know everything when they don't know a thing. Somehow Abelas also seems to think more positively about slave elves in Tevinter. I only wonder is it because they are descendants of the nobel elves unlike the Dalish. It could also be that Abelas could like them more because they aren't arrogant and could also listen to what he would want to teach them.

The immortality also bothers me because I believe it's one more thing that Dalish got wrong. I don't believe that humans caused them to became mortal. I have been thinking that maybe some of the elves didn't want to live forever and they become the first mortal elves. Maybe if you have children with a mortal elf then the children are mortal as well. It could also be possible that the immortal elves don't consider those elves as good as they are even though they both are part of the same social class.

If only the nobel elves had magical abilites like Tielis said and the lower class elves didn't have those skills then when Arlathan fell maybe only the low class elves remained to defend the city with couple of elves who had magical abilities. So when Tevinter conquered the elven empire and captured all the elves including those who had magical abilities and those who didn't have them. When elves with magical abilities had children with normal elves the possibility to have a child with magical abilities were decreased and that's why the slave elves don't have many mages in their rank. Maybe this happened to Dalish as well. Maybe those who didn't become slaves had also elves with magical abilities in their group and when they had children with normal elves the possibility to have child with magical abilities was decreased. I think there are two possibilities to add the mortality into this whole thing. I think either the low class elves were mortal or the elves didn't want to be immortal anymore. Well who would want to be immortal slave? I also believe that the life of a Dalish elf wasn't much better either.

I think it could also be possible that Dalish are descendants of those elves who didn't defent the Elven empire. Maybe they ran away when they should have stayed to defend their land. That could also explain why Abelas doesn't like the Dalish. I mean he has been defending the well even though he knows that he will lose that battle some day while the descendants of the people who ran away think they are better than the rest of the elves. I believe that would make Abelas furious.

To summarise this all I think it's possible that elves with magical abilities could have had children with elves who didn't have any magical abilities and the child may or may not have magical abilities so when years passed by there are less and less elves with magical abilities. Almost same thing happened with immortal and mortal elves. When immortal elves had children with mortal elves the result was a mortal elf. When years passed by there were only mortal elves left because immortal elves can die if you kill them. Most likely if the elf becomes mortal then that elf cannot become immortal anymore or they didn't have that knowledge. I think that would explain why elves are what they are today.

I think Abelas might not consider the Dalish as his People because of their attitude and that they are descendants of the run away elves. Maybe their reluctance to listen to him affects his views as well. It could also be possible that he thinks sentinels are his People  and maybe all the followers of Mythal forms one group of People.

I think it's interesting that it seems that Mythal seems to agree that Solas' people need him and he is the only one who can help them. Maybe they are also Mythal's people as well because I don't see any reason for her to help him if it doesn't benefit her. Or maybe what he is going to do will help everybody. Or the People were originally Mythal's people but she can't help them because she isn't what she used to be. All I know that Mythal wouldn't help anybody if it doesn't benefit her and now it seeems that she died so that Solas could help his people. It also seems that I'm not any closer finding out who are the People Solas is talking about

Okay... hehe *rubs all two of my brain cells together*

 

I love your posts and look forward to them. You make me think and although that can be painful, I do enjoy it.

 

Want to say upfront that I wonder if maybe Abelas associates more with the Tevinter elves because they are slaves. If he was a slave maybe he is more sympathetic to them?? 

 

This is probably going to sound weird ( I know shocker) but I wonder if maybe it has something to do with Solas and Abelas being loners? Maybe that is why they do not see their descendants as part of them? From what I can tell neither has had a family. That isn't a certainty but it is an overall feeling I get from them both. Both men are in positions of extreme responsibility and both come across as lonely to me. It's like all the warm and fuzzy was sapped out of them long ago and they cling to the past. Immortality, I think, is a really hard concept to grasp. The writers do a great job of trying convey it but sometimes I feel so lost! The feelings with these two particular men seem to be stagnant, like they were frozen in time. Does that make sense? So I don't think emotionally they have a lot to give. I also think both are elf snobs LoL. But that's okay. It's just hard to reconcile at first. Because we eventually see a tender side to Solas. He's like Shrek in that there are layers. Like an onion. Lots and lots of layers. 

 

Wouldn't it be amazing if we found out the ancestors of the Dalish caused the downfall of Elvhenan? OMG, that would be delicious.

 

Think how insulting Solas sounded if you played as a Dalish Inquisitor. Honestly, on my first pt as a Dalish I wanted to strangle him because I thought he was disrespectful. It wasn't until the end of the game that I understood where he was coming from. The problem for Solas is that he is in a no win situation with the Dalish from the start. He can't tell them he is Fen'Harel and he really can't explain how he knows so much because it sounds implausible. And he makes it sound even worse when he says things like both visions are true when describing Ostagar. It's like contradicting yourself with the truth. Very hard to reconcile! He isn't the right guy for the reeducation of the Dalish. Abelas would have a better chance if he were willing because he has markings and cool ass armor. I'm a believer in cool ass armor And the height difference! There is no getting around how different Abelas looks to modern elves. The Dalish would be hard pushed to ignore that fact and I think it would make them think.

 

Well... let's consider for a moment that the Dalish are descendants of slaves or criminals. I think of dwarves and how the ones with facial markings meant outcast. It could very well be, like you say SilentShadows, that the Dalish are the same and they don't know it. There is a part of me that thinks Abelas may have been a noble. He's a mage but also an arcane warrior so he was appreciated for his physical prowess but also looked down on by those who were purely Fade loving mages. (And he strangely reminds me of Cassandra at times. A noble giving up the title for religious reasons) So if Solas was somewhere near the top rung of the social ladder, I put Abelas further down. But he was a high priest so I think that possibly elevated him above the regular nobility. In my opinion, it kind of makes these two elf snobs. I bet if we met just a regular every day citizen they would have a very different perspective on meeting a descendant and describing Elvhenan.

 

Have you read the The Masked Empire? I don't want to give much away but I think more and more the Fade is really connected to immortality. But I also agree with you. I am really starting to doubt that humans made the elves mortal. 

 

I think Tielis is onto something. We know Tevinter modeled itself after the elves to a degree. So it very well could be that the nobility had some ability the common elves did not have. It's also why I think not just anyone could enter the service of an elven god. I tend to think only nobles could enter it. 

 

I think it could also be possible that Dalish are descendants of those elves who didn't defent the Elven empire. Maybe they ran away when they should have stayed to defend their land. That could also explain why Abelas doesn't like the Dalish. I mean he has been defending the well even though he knows that he will lose that battle some day while the descendants of the people who ran away think they are better than the rest of the elves. I believe that would make Abelas furious.

 

 

Ooo I really like that idea! Could you imagine? See that's the thing... Abelas doesn't just state you are not my people. He sounds really angry when he says it. Like you have just given him the worst insult in the history of insults ever. I think there really is some grudge there. I wish we knew what it was.

 

I think Morrigan will rise up to be the next Flemythal. She values the old magic and I think with Mythal's guidance she will become more like her mother. Many people have mixed feelings about Flemeth. But i really love her to death! I think she is awesome and I think she means well. She just has weird ways of going about things. Plus I love Kate Mulgrew so I'm biased LoL!

 

ROFLMAO! I have no idea what people Solas means either after this conversation. Mostly, I really want the elves to find a new home and kick some human ass.

[Abelas Forever!]

Babelas I have liked our discussion too.

It could be possible that Abelas thinks that slave elves in Tevinter are his People or that they are closer to his People than the Dalish because they aren't free. Although I don't believe that is the reason why he thinks they are better than Dalish. It could be one of the reason but I doubt it is the only reason.

I think it could be possible that Solas and Abelas can't think that the elves are their people because they are loners. Although I think that is not the case here. I think Solas is loner but he tried to educate the Dalish but they didn't listen to him. I suspect that partly it might be his fault Because I remember too that moment when the Dalish inquisitor talked with him about elves and he sounded so angry and I was wondering why? That happened on my first playthrough. But now it makes more sense. Anyway it seemed to me that Solas can get offended quite easily and I suspect that something like that happened with the Dalish. He probably went there and tried to tell them that they were wrong and he probably was very condescending and Dalish probably didn't like that and they most likely told him that and he got offended and left and when you see him he thinks that all the Dalish are ignorant fools Sometimes he reminds me of a petulant child. But I love him nevertheless. Abelas on the other hand is lonely but I'm not sure is he loner. He has all the sentinels around him in the Temple and he probably teaches them as well. But because his task is to protect the Temple he can't go out and try to educate the Dalish because his only duty is to preserve the well. It might be that he doesn't even want to teach the Dalish. I think it might have been possible to educate the Dalish while he was still at the Temple because they might have wandered near the Temple but the elves in alienages are too far away for him to teach them. But for some reason he didn't educate the Dalish. Maybe he wanted to concentrate on protecting the well or for some reason he didn't want to educate the Dalish or he couldn't educate them without endangering the well.

I agree that both Solas and Abelas definitely cling to the past and they had been frozen in time. Solas was sleeping and Abelas has been trying to protect the well but they both couldn't move on until Solas woke up and Abelas was able to leave the Temple. I also think that Abelas would be better than Solas in teaching the elves about their past because to me it seems that he has more patience than Solas. Actually I would love it if he could teach my DA4 PC something about elven glory! Please devs make it happen!

 

I believe that if Abelas would find somebody to love (my DA4 PC of course ), he probably wouldn't know how to love somebody because he has probably suffocated that kind of feelings while he has been at the Temple because his duty has always came first. I think he probably would be quite confused at first. Maybe he would try to suffocate those feelings as well because that is what he most likely has been doing all those years.

I believe also that Abelas is noble. In my opinion he can't be slave or a servant. Because he is priest maybe it makes him somebody who is above the normal nobles but I'm not sure. But he definitely is a noble.

I have read Masked Empire. Possible spoilers for Masked Empire:

Spoiler

What was in that book about immortality? I don't remember much that could connect immortality to Fade. Unless you mean that when elves became old enough they entered uthanera and that way they could live forever. I remember that at some point people entered uthanera and servants took care of them until they didn't need any food. They could be killed while they were in uthanera as well. I think it's interesting that if a person needs servants while she/he is in uthanera then Solas might had also needed somebody to take care of him while he slept or at least in the beginning. That makes me think that maybe his people are somewhere like Felessan's people but I think that these are two different groups.

Felessan was also interesting because he definitely is an ancient elf. I believe that if we follow his, Solas' and Abelas' reactions to different things they might reveal something interesting or at least give hints about the past. I think elven lore could also give hints how things were but it's not reliable.

It still bothers me why Felessan helped Briala. The inquisitor made a good impression to Solas because she/he was able to solve problems in a way Solas couldn't have though she/he was capable of and I think Briala also made an impression to Felassan. She reminded of somebody from the past that probably helped but Felessan decided that she needed a change so he sacrificed himself so that she could get that change. It's interesting and it bothers me because if I knew why I think it would explain quite many things. One other thing that is also interesting is that Felassan also didn't care about the Dalish. I mean Felessan, Solas and Abelas seems to hate those elves for some reason.

I like Flemeth a lot. I think she, Solas and Abelas and the whole elven history is so interesting because the writers have written the characters knowing what the past was but we don't know the truth about the past and we can only follow these characters and how they behave and what they reveal and try to form some kind of perception what the "truth" was.
 

[Brass_Buckles]

Y'all are going on about how you don't think Abelas has a partner.  I don't either, though I sincerely doubt he's celibate.  If there are children being born in the temple (or "young ones,") then the Sentinels are finding time in between waking and sleeping to have sex with each other.  Abelas is probably no exception.  Wake up, kill invaders, have sex, go to sleep.

 

What I did notice is this:  HIs name became "Sorrow" on the death of Mythal.  He was apparently anguished at that loss.  Now, maybe it wasn't romantic, but he must have loved her.  Or maybe he did have romantic feelings toward her, and she simply didn't reciprocate.  Or maybe she did.  Either way, that and the fact that he's the leader of the Sentinels would explain why he doesn't have a romantic interest with him.  Plus it's another reason to remain loyal and protect what he has left of Mythal.

 

If he did love Mythal, he could certainly love someone else, but it's worth considering that an immortal elf might hold onto love a lot longer than a mortal would.  You could also consider the reverse of that--that because people will die or enter uthenera over time, an immortal elf might not get very attached at all.

 

Re: Solas hating the Dalish.  He doesn't.  He's sorely disappointed in them, and a little bitter.  If you listen to a bit of dialogue he has at the very start of the game, before you even reach Haven, I think, he comments about going to the Dalish to share knowledge and being chased out.  (Solas, maybe you shouldn't have told them who you really were...)  So it isn't that he wants to abandon the Dalish, but rather that they refused the help that he wanted to provide.  Abelas, if he didn't look down his prominent nose at all non-Elvhen, would probably be received better by the Dalish.  But he dislikes them because they keep trying to break into his home and steal the shiny elven magical artifacts. And the Dalish want those artifacts and that temple because they see it as part of their heritage--they don't understand it as the home of currently living elves.

 

As for immortality, Solas tells you about that.  It was normal and natural for elves; it was part of who and what they were.  And because they were immortal, they could spend years, centuries even, weaving spells to do precisely what they wanted/needed them to do.  I can even imagine that was probably their version of the Orlesian Game, making various traps and spying spells etc. via magic.  it also seems that "being cryptic" is a trait of ancient elves.  Solas is often cryptic, Felassan is often cryptic, Abelas is definitely cryptic.  They might tell you some things directly, but they prefer to let you figure it out for yourself, or conveniently omit certain facts that you may want or need to know.

 

My thinking on elven immortality is that it is indeed tied to the Fade somehow; ancient elves had a natural connection to the Fade.  We don't know the precise nature of that connection.  Maybe they were/are part spirit.  Maybe they were all possessed by spirits and uthenera was effectively a way to go home, at least unless you failed to learn how to draw energy from the Fade and therefore died.  Either way, uthenera or no, they don't seem to have aged.  I think we're going to be told what it is that gave elves their immortality by the time of the next game, because I get the feeling Solas is trying to fix whatever made the elves lose their immortality.  That does not, however, change the fact that Abelas seems to believe that mortality is going to be spread to him if he spends time around shemlen--which is what the Dalish also believe happened, if you'll remember.  I don't remember his precise wording, but it seems to be a fear he has that makes him want to flee far away from the "shemlen."  Given the elven connection to the Fade, this is possible if humans believed elves were like them; their belief may have shaped what the elves became.  Not very likely, but possible.

[Babelas]

I also think that Abelas would be better than Solas in teaching the elves about their past because to me it seems that he has more patience than Solas. Actually I would love it if he could teach my DA4 PC something about elven glory! Please devs make it happen!

 

I believe that if Abelas would find somebody to love (my DA4 PC of course ), he probably wouldn't know how to love somebody because he has probably suffocated that kind of feelings while he has been at the Temple because his duty has always came first. I think he probably would be quite confused at first. Maybe he would try to suffocate those feelings as well because that is what he most likely has been doing all those years.

I believe also that Abelas is noble. In my opinion he can't be slave or a servant. Because he is priest maybe it makes him somebody who is above the normal nobles but I'm not sure. But he definitely is a noble.
 

ROFL! We can only hope Abelas will return for the Elvhen sex education class. in DA4 When I first started posting on here, I suggest that Abelas may be noble. It was shot down but I never stopped liking the idea. I have this weird idea that maybe all the other races of Thedas have modeled themselves on ancient elves in some way. Like Nevarra taking care of the dead (like elves in uthernera) Tevinter--those with magic elevated to nobility, Fereldan-- nobles often join the templar order if they are not the heir or the Chantry. (Abelas becoming a priest, not the firstborn heir.) Dwarves have the markings for the casteless etc... I like to think that all of these cultures borrowed from the ancient elves and they don't even know it. It would also make sense. It's what we do as humans. What did the Romans ever do for us?

 

As for Solas and his lack of patience, I agree. I recently did a pt of DAI as a Dalish man. I roleplayed it honestly, not trying to win his favor but answering how I believed a Dalish would answer. (no flirt options makes it harder LoL!) We soooooooooo did not get along! I was surprised at Solas's sharp comments at times. My Inquisitor wasn't giving stupid answers, he was answering based on what he would know and he was diplomatic and considerate with Solas. But if Solas approached the Dalish like he did my Inquisitor, there was no hope of the two reaching an understanding. Again, I think Abelas would be a better choice with the Dalish. He has experience teaching and he does seem more patient. I can see him facepalming often with the Dalish but I don't think he would lose his temper. Maybe I'm wrong. He might decide the kindest thing to do is massacre all the Dalish in the name of Mythal and draw smiley faces on their knee caps as a sort of shaming punishment

Y'all are going on about how you don't think Abelas has a partner.  I don't either, though I sincerely doubt he's celibate.  If there are children being born in the temple (or "young ones,") then the Sentinels are finding time in between waking and sleeping to have sex with each other.  Abelas is probably no exception.  Wake up, kill invaders, have sex, go to sleep.

 

What I did notice is this:  HIs name became "Sorrow" on the death of Mythal.  He was apparently anguished at that loss.  Now, maybe it wasn't romantic, but he must have loved her.  Or maybe he did have romantic feelings toward her, and she simply didn't reciprocate.  Or maybe she did.  Either way, that and the fact that he's the leader of the Sentinels would explain why he doesn't have a romantic interest with him.  Plus it's another reason to remain loyal and protect what he has left of Mythal.

 

If he did love Mythal, he could certainly love someone else, but it's worth considering that an immortal elf might hold onto love a lot longer than a mortal would.  You could also consider the reverse of that--that because people will die or enter uthenera over time, an immortal elf might not get very attached at all.

 

Re: Solas hating the Dalish.  He doesn't.  He's sorely disappointed in them, and a little bitter.  If you listen to a bit of dialogue he has at the very start of the game, before you even reach Haven, I think, he comments about going to the Dalish to share knowledge and being chased out.  (Solas, maybe you shouldn't have told them who you really were...)  So it isn't that he wants to abandon the Dalish, but rather that they refused the help that he wanted to provide.  Abelas, if he didn't look down his prominent nose at all non-Elvhen, would probably be received better by the Dalish.  But he dislikes them because they keep trying to break into his home and steal the shiny elven magical artifacts. And the Dalish want those artifacts and that temple because they see it as part of their heritage--they don't understand it as the home of currently living elves.

 

As for immortality, Solas tells you about that.  It was normal and natural for elves; it was part of who and what they were.  And because they were immortal, they could spend years, centuries even, weaving spells to do precisely what they wanted/needed them to do.  I can even imagine that was probably their version of the Orlesian Game, making various traps and spying spells etc. via magic.  it also seems that "being cryptic" is a trait of ancient elves.  Solas is often cryptic, Felassan is often cryptic, Abelas is definitely cryptic.  They might tell you some things directly, but they prefer to let you figure it out for yourself, or conveniently omit certain facts that you may want or need to know.

 

My thinking on elven immortality is that it is indeed tied to the Fade somehow; ancient elves had a natural connection to the Fade.  We don't know the precise nature of that connection.  Maybe they were/are part spirit.  Maybe they were all possessed by spirits and uthenera was effectively a way to go home, at least unless you failed to learn how to draw energy from the Fade and therefore died.  Either way, uthenera or no, they don't seem to have aged.  I think we're going to be told what it is that gave elves their immortality by the time of the next game, because I get the feeling Solas is trying to fix whatever made the elves lose their immortality.  That does not, however, change the fact that Abelas seems to believe that mortality is going to be spread to him if he spends time around shemlen--which is what the Dalish also believe happened, if you'll remember.  I don't remember his precise wording, but it seems to be a fear he has that makes him want to flee far away from the "shemlen."  Given the elven connection to the Fade, this is possible if humans believed elves were like them; their belief may have shaped what the elves became.  Not very likely, but possible.

I don't think Abelas took a vow of celibacy (especially since Mythal is the goddess of motherhood) because he is a priest but... I am not sold on him having sex in the temple. I agree, that the others are getting it on before returning to their slumber. The reason I suspect Abelas is not is because he is the high priest and he has the unfortunate responsibility of maintaining control and respect. That could get messy if he is bonking his acolytes. What happens when he has to send his lover out to kill in the name of Mythal the next time the temple is invaded? If he didn't send them out would the others cry favoritism? Would others try to win his favor so he doesn't send them out? I just think it could cause issues and I also think this is why he is very lonely. I was also thinking of what happened to the high priest in Dirthamen's temple. Abelas is in a precarious position and I think he knows it. Other temples dedicated to the gods fell, his didn't and I suspect it's down to management and his insane devotion to Mythal (I'll get to that in a minute). I know the sentinels are under the geas but I doubt that stops them from having issues with each other. 

 

A while back, I had a strange unpopular theory that Flemeth and Abelas produced Morrigan. They are the only three characters in the game with the same eye color. Abelas would have agreed to the union for Mythal or maybe he didn't have a choice but I still wonder about this... the other reason i wonder about this is because at some point Mythal must have told Flemeth that she needed to designate one of her daughters as the chosen to carry on the godhood. I have this belief that Mythal would have been very picky about the father for that daughter. Who better than her most devoted servant? Abelas is also a powerful mage and he is an elf and possible shape changer. I was going to write this into my story but when I started thinking about Flemeth and Abelas having sex just... noooooooooooooooo. But I love the idea that Morrigan might have killed her father or attempted to kill him. I find it hard to believe Abelas could die like that in the temple.

 

I tend to go with the Tolkien immortal love theory to some degree. The unions were considered sacred, they weren't as fertile so children were not many and they were considered precious and their gods only had relationships with other gods. But... this is DA so it's entirely possible Abelas and Mythal were getting it on. I kind of like that idea anyway. The whole idea of Mythal cheating on Elgar'nan with one of her priests has sexy potential.

 

Did Solas tell the Dalish who he is? I don't remember that. But if Abelas wasn't haughty he wouldn't be half as sexy. I kind of like how he ruffles everyone's feathers. To be fair Solas isn't much better. They both look down on modern elves in their own way. Actually, I find Solas more insulting than Abelas. "The Dalish finally remember something correctly. Shall we plant a tree?" Or "You are not my people" Hmmmmm.... no contest really. 

 

I will say this in Abelas's defense: we don't know why he reacts the way he does ( I like his prominent nose). Abelas may have a good reason or maybe he knows he looks good in the armor. And I will say in Solas's defense: He is the only hope for the elves but he could never pull off the sentinel armor. But he does have the backside for a thong. I'll give him that. dat'ass, da'len.

 

The Dalish don't see it as the home of the current living elves because I don't think they really believe some of their own tales... immortal ancestors... say what?

 

But why was it natural for elves to be immortal? We don't really know what being elven was in those days. The ancient elves are cryptic because Bioware didn't want to give the whole plot away at once Seriously, I enjoy that they are cryptic. It add to their wise and ancient personas. 

 

That does not, however, change the fact that Abelas seems to believe that mortality is going to be spread to him if he spends time around shemlen--which is what the Dalish also believe happened, if you'll remember.  I don't remember his precise wording, but it seems to be a fear he has that makes him want to flee far away from the "shemlen."  Given the elven connection to the Fade, this is possible if humans believed elves were like them; their belief may have shaped what the elves became.  Not very likely, but possible.

 

I do indeed remember. He just says he wonders if there is somewhere that maybe the Shemlen haven't touched. If that's the case though, I question why Solas is hanging around a bunch of Shemlen for years? Part of me thinks Abelas is wondering if there is somewhere other Elvhen are living. Plus, I can see him not wanting to be around Shemlen for the simple fact that they are nothing like his people. But it could be he fears it will cause the loss of his immortality.

 

 

Have you paired Lavellan with Abelas in your fanfic or is it mostly Solas and Lavellan? I enjoy Lavellan and Abelas together more than I thought I would. It was difficult at first to reconcile Abelas in a relationship with a mortal, but I see the beauty in it now.