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[Abelas Forever!]

I think that Abelas was in stasis not true uthernera. That is how I understood it, which means it's some magic of Mythal's that keeps them from changing? I guess. LOL. I have no idea for sure. But... you remember the old guide? I wonder if maybe she tends to the arcane warriors while they are in stasis and that is why she appears to be so much older than them. It would make sense that some of them stay awake or take turns being awake. Abelas says there are children in the temple, so if an elven woman is pregnant I assume she has to be awake to have the baby. Does this mean the children sleep too? I find that difficult to reconcile. I suspect that only the arcane warriors sleep. There is a codex about the temples and how they were like cities. So the temple is probably housing more than just sentinels. We don't see it but I think it is inferred there are other people in there somewhere. Abelas is probably hiding the children and those who are not warriors just like he hid the old sentinel. That's how you know he cares about his people.

 

I agree. I think he was high priest and the leader of the arcane warriors within the temple. He most likely has military training. He has been there to protect the temple since Mythal and I assume that means engaging anyone who steps out of line. I still can't decide if he was the elf wielding the two handed maul during the battle with Samsom/Calpernia or if that is a different elf. In Dragon Age Heroes, he is simply a mage with a staff not a maul but I know arcane warriors can use their magic to augment their strength and wield heavy weapons. I think the elf with maul was not him but I'm not sure.

I think Solas talks about his slumber when he speaks with Flemeth and I think Abelas also mentioned slumber when you first meet him. That's why I think that they both were in uthanera. I think some kind of stasis would be more practical if that state wouldn't require anybody to take care of them. I suspect that uthanera is a state where body will slowly get used to being without food or water and when a person will wake from it then that person is weak but if stasis is some kind of state where person is just frozen and have his/her powers available when that person wakes up then I think it would make more sense that the sentinels as well as Abelas would be in stasis. Maybe there are also those people who enter uthanera as well.

 

I think that if an elven woman will get pregnant then she will have to stay awake untill she will gave birth to her child. Maybe there are people who don't be at stasis or uthanera but instead they stay awake like children and those who take care of them. I have hard time imagine that the children would be in uthanera or in stasis. If Abelas is going to teach them then they will have to be awake unless he teaches them in uthanera or in that stasis state but then again I have hard time imagine that people could enter the fade while they are in stasis.

 

I don't believe that the elf with a maul was Abelas. I think Abelas was just running around the Temple and Morrigan was chasing him. I found that quite funny because it takes you less time to reach the well than him and you were fighting the red templars on the way there and I though that he left to destroy the well after you first met him Well I know that they had to do that so that you will meet him at the well but it's funny nevertheless

 

 

I don't think I posted here before, so hi all! :-)

As I read your posts I was thinking that big temples such as Mythal's must have been like cities, glad to know there is a codex that describes them as such. I think, however, that there must be few people left at the Temple, maybe just the sentinels that survived the successive attacks. If there are children from ancient parents left that will be one hell of a news bomb, but I think it's unlikely.

Poor Abelas, seeing his people die little by little must have been so hard. Maybe he took his name when Mythal died because he knew they were doomed from that moment. Which makes me wonder, why didn't Flemeth protect them? Or maybe she does and that's why they survived this long? Do you think Abelas has been in contact with Flemeth? (sorry if the last question was already discussed)

Hello! Welcome!

 

It might have been that Flemeth couldn't protect sentinels because she wasn't as powerful as she used to be and I think it took Mythal quite long time to find Flemeth. It might have been that she had other things to do that were more important than sentinels. Maybe she though that sentinels will survive withouth her. Besides I think there was something left of her because Solas says something like "Mythal still endures" when you go to the Temple. Maybe some of her magic was protecting the sentinels. Anyway I believe that the sentinels weren't in contact with her but Abelas might know that she isn't dead. At leas that impression I got from his talk.

[Abelas Forever!]

About that codex. I think the younger ones don't understand what was life while Mythal was alive because they never saw it. It must have been wonderful but because they never saw it then they don't understand what the elves have lost. I think the wise could also mean Abelas or somebody else who can teach the younger ones. Maybe his teaching will prevent them from losing who they are. Maybe the text means that if the sentinels weren't teaching younger ones then they would lose their immortality or the younger ones wouldn't know how to live forever.

[Babelas]

Even if Flemythal is in communication with Abelas somehow, I think the fact that the tile ritual was completed is more important than the fact that two shemlen happened to end up in close proximity to the Well. All supplicants who desired Mythal's blessing, justice, wisdom were required to walk those paths, regardless of their status or origin. The Inquisitor and Morrigan being there might be..unique circumstances, but Abelas is bound by ritual and duty. They have completed the ritual, they have given respect to Mythal, and their desire for justice is neither false nor wavering (well...at least the Inquisitor).

 

The Venatory/Red Templars are obviously invaders, here without respect and for the sole purpose of seek and destroy. They are no different than previous invaders who specifically sought the Well. Even scholars or adventurers who might have found the temple (but were not hostile) in the past would have been denied all access because they did not come to petition Mythal, they were mostly ignorant of the rites, or were too unspecific in their desires and therefore would have been cast aside even if the temple was properly functioning.

 

All Abelas has to draw on at this point in his shadow of memories  and a shadow of a temple are rituals and duty. Even if he has failed to save all of his comrades and children over the years. Even if he failed to guide younger Sentinels to proper Uthenara. Even if he has assumed that Mythal is dead and his god no longer watches over him. Even if he is isolated from any other ancient elves, assuming they are long dead as well. He still has the Well of Sorrows. He must still guard it from harm and misuse by the ignorant, yes, but the ancient rituals to which he was bound must be honored first if a worthy person has a clear need and desire.

In the past Mythal would have been the one to decide if the Inquisitor or Morrigan was worthy of partaking in the well. I'm uncertain that performing the ritual alone would equate to being worthy of the well.  Would Abelas, as duty bound as he is and loyal, make that decision on his own even now? I assume his last orders were to guard the well and that is what he does to the end. He also says it is despoiled at last to the Inquisitor and Morrigan. I take that to mean they have not earned it and are, in fact, stealing it. But he just seems to give in. What he does say, albeit begrudgingly, is that he senses a righteousness in the Inquisitor. I have to wonder if that is because he actually senses it or because Flemythal is using the geas on Abelas. Or maybe Abelas fell in love with my Inquisitor straight away and decided to give her the well in the hopes she will repay the favor later (I'm going with this one) I love how you write btw. It's so beautiful

 

I don't believe that the elf with a maul was Abelas. I think Abelas was just running around the Temple and Morrigan was chasing him. I found that quite funny because it takes you less time to reach the well than him and you were fighting the red templars on the way there and I though that he left to destroy the well after you first met him   Well I know that they had to do that so that you will meet him at the well but it's funny nevertheless 

 

ROFLMAO! I have never really thought about it. I always get caught up in the details but that is too funny. There should have been a whole scene where it shows Morrigan chasing him with comedic music. I would pay to see that Bioware!

 

You know it does make it sound like somehow being Elvhen is wrapped up in knowing exactly how to live more so than if you are another race. It is definitely intriguing.

[electricfish]

It is true that Mythal would have been the ultimate decider in dispensing justice, but then again she also can't be everywhere at once. Unless she practiced her little soul fragmentation trick in ancient times, she could feasibly only be at one temple  for X amount of hours in the day at a time. We don't even know if this particular temple is unique because it has a Well of stored memory (suspiciously similar to the Shaperate). We DO know that a number of priests were in attendance, and presumably a head priest who could offer Mythal's favor in her stead if she wasn't at that particular temple that day. With such a huge population and so far-flung, there might have been dozens or hundreds seeking Mythal's blessing directly via walking these temples.

 

I do concede that it was incredibly easy for our Inquisitor or Morrigan to just use the well, part of which is a fault of plot. Abelas would well have died regardless of the path you took, if Bioware had decided to have him either get stabbed by Morrigan, or directly fight your Inquisitor because they didn't have the right qualifications despite their respect of the rituals.

 

I'm guessing the Well is spoiled the most simply because a mortal used it. These are the memories and voices of aaaaaalll the prior (head?) priests that came before. As an immortal, an ancient elf could have taken years to prepare to dump their memories, or to learn how to processes using the Well safely so that its knowledge can be transferred or put back into another container.

As a mortal...you don't really have the time to do anything of consequence with the Well's knowledge. Regardless of how much you focus on deciphering the knowledge and memories, or researching previously untranslatable elven text, you will only scratch the surface of the potential knowledge. And then it will be lost. Neither you, nor Morrigan know how to transfer, or make a new Well. Once you die, everything you know will die with you.  Yet another legacy of the elven people is despoiled by a shem and lost.

 

It makes me sad that Abelas has a no-win situation no matter what happens in the temple. He fights to keep the legacy of his people safe from being twisted by mortals. He resigns himself to the death of duty due to a respectful Inquisitor having the persistence and skill to reach the Well. Or in an AU where the Inquisition and Corypheus don't exist (or are beaten down enough by remaining sentinels to be a non-issue), he just remains in this safe stasis of hanging on to the last vestiges of memory, of Mythal, of loyalty and connection to a people who essentially killed themselves. 

 

Thank you, btw. :> It's been many moons since I have written more Abelas things. Recent Abelas feels have gotten me into writing out some small things in an effort to try and remember how to voice him properly. I know lizasaurus and I may not have developed the most popular take on Abelas' character, but it's still a little difficult trying to write a character after a long break in a manner that meshes well with prior material.  :|

[Babelas]

It is true that Mythal would have been the ultimate decider in dispensing justice, but then again she also can't be everywhere at once. Unless she practiced her little soul fragmentation trick in ancient times, she could feasibly only be at one temple  for X amount of hours in the day at a time. We don't even know if this particular temple is unique because it has a Well of stored memory (suspiciously similar to the Shaperate). We DO know that a number of priests were in attendance, and presumably a head priest who could offer Mythal's favor in her stead if she wasn't at that particular temple that day. With such a huge population and so far-flung, there might have been dozens or hundreds seeking Mythal's blessing directly via walking these temples.

 

I do concede that it was incredibly easy for our Inquisitor or Morrigan to just use the well, part of which is a fault of plot. Abelas would well have died regardless of the path you took, if Bioware had decided to have him either get stabbed by Morrigan, or directly fight your Inquisitor because they didn't have the right qualifications despite their respect of the rituals.

 

I'm guessing the Well is spoiled the most simply because a mortal used it. These are the memories and voices of aaaaaalll the prior (head?) priests that came before. As an immortal, an ancient elf could have taken years to prepare to dump their memories, or to learn how to processes using the Well safely so that its knowledge can be transferred or put back into another container.

As a mortal...you don't really have the time to do anything of consequence with the Well's knowledge. Regardless of how much you focus on deciphering the knowledge and memories, or researching previously untranslatable elven text, you will only scratch the surface of the potential knowledge. And then it will be lost. Neither you, nor Morrigan know how to transfer, or make a new Well. Once you die, everything you know will die with you.  Yet another legacy of the elven people is despoiled by a shem and lost.

 

It makes me sad that Abelas has a no-win situation no matter what happens in the temple. He fights to keep the legacy of his people safe from being twisted by mortals. He resigns himself to the death of duty due to a respectful Inquisitor having the persistence and skill to reach the Well. Or in an AU where the Inquisition and Corypheus don't exist (or are beaten down enough by remaining sentinels to be a non-issue), he just remains in this safe stasis of hanging on to the last vestiges of memory, of Mythal, of loyalty and connection to a people who essentially killed themselves. 

 

Thank you, btw. :> It's been many moons since I have written more Abelas things. Recent Abelas feels have gotten me into writing out some small things in an effort to try and remember how to voice him properly. I know lizasaurus and I may not have developed the most popular take on Abelas' character, but it's still a little difficult trying to write a character after a long break in a manner that meshes well with prior material.  :|

I really love your insight into Abelas, Mythal and the well. It's poetic and comes across so well thought out. I agree with the plot being at fault. I really cannot see him giving up the well to a shem without a fight no matter the circumstance. Until you explained why it is such a loss, I had not considered that the information obtained from the well is now gone forever. Part of me likes to believe Abelas is not gone forever, therefore, he will find a way to preserve it. It just sounds like wishful thinking on my part. It's all so very damn sad.

 

I'm also really grateful for your insight into why it is such a loss to the elves that a shemlen used the well. I have been trying to explain to people why Inky is a shem and why Abelas sees it that way and why he doesn't like it. But I come across as a mean cow I think instead of saying it in such a thoughtful way. LOL. I will make sure to use your reasoning from now on. It sounds so much better.

 

I see Liz's posts on tumblr now and then. She had some problem with an art thief? Please don't give up on writing Abelas. I love both your takes on the character. It would be a real loss if you did! I am definitely going to mention your work and Liz's in my next chapter. I don't have tons of readers but I will do my best to make people aware.

[Vorathrad]

Thank you for the welcomes! ^^

This very old post from Gaider is quoted in the Old Gods wiki entry http://forum.bioware...e-3#entry508158 It has an interesting piece of info on how knowledge was passed down in Arlathan:

The whole truth was lost along with Arlathan and their immortality -- much of their lore was kept by a tradition of apprenticeship, handed down from the knowledgeable to the young, and this relied on the fact that the knowledgeable were eternal.

If they are still holding this version of Arlathan's story, it seems that only an elite class of elven society was truly immortal, and as eternal beings they were in charge of imparting knowledge to the "lesser" classes, that may have had a very long lifespan but not truly eternal. Abelas words in the codex "Without the wise to lead them, they will lose what they should have been" may refer to this: that without the eternal beings and their knowledge, elves will forget more and more about themselves and lose their identity. As in fact it happens. Abelas may try to teach them, but even if he is the temple's leader he is not one of the wise ones. So he can only delay the inevitable.

[Abelas Forever!]

I believe that Abelas is making the decision whether to give the well to inquisitor or not by himself. I don't believe that Mythal has anything to do with it. There are plenty of reasons why Abelas might want to give the well to Inky. Of course the fact that Inky completed the rituals was important but so was the fact that she/he allied with the sentinels and I believe it required Inky to promise that she/he will leave the well alone. I'm not sure but I think she/he had to promise that. Inky has also the mark which is familiar to him. Even though Inky got it by accident, she/he still has it. Maybe that also means something to him. Anyway because of all those reasons Inky's situation is very special and the situation at the temple is special as well and it might be enough for him to decide that he will give the well to her/him. In fact he gives her the right not permission. If he gives it to Inky or if Inky gives it to Morrigan then the well is not completely destroyed. Even though most of it is probably lost but there is still knowledge that can be saved and Inky or Morrigan can spread that information to others as well. Of course this leads to very interesting issue. Why he or somebody else don't drink from it to preserve even a small part of it? Maybe this is something that has to be like it is so that Inky or Morrigan will drink from it or for some reason he or other sentinels can't drink from it. Or maybe they just don't dare.

That righteousness is interesting thing because I believe it is the last thing that convinces him in giving the well to you. That also makes all inquisitor righteous if they completed the rituals and allied with the sentinels. Maybe it's enough but it's hard for me to think that Inky only has to complete the rituals and ally with sentinels in order to be righteous but then again it would have been very hard to implement the whole righteous thing if it would have required to complete some other tasks outside the temple as well.

I have been thinking that could it be that the person who drinks from the well can't take advance of its knowledge if the well doesn't want that? I mean there are voices in the well. Maybe those voices don't cooperate if they find out that the person is evil or not righteous enough. Maybe Abelas knows that so it's quite safe for him to let Inky or Morrigan drink from it and that way save a small amount of its knowledge. Of course if Inky isn't righteous it might be better to destroy the well right away and not take any chances if she/he will find a way to make those voices to cooperate even if they don't want to.

[Abelas Forever!]

Thank you for the welcomes! ^^

This very old post from Gaider is quoted in the Old Gods wiki entry http://forum.bioware...e-3#entry508158 It has an interesting piece of info on how knowledge was passed down in Arlathan:

If they are still holding this version of Arlathan's story, it seems that only an elite class of elven society was truly immortal, and as eternal beings they were in charge of imparting knowledge to the "lesser" classes, that may have had a very long lifespan but not truly eternal. Abelas words in the codex "Without the wise to lead them, they will lose what they should have been" may refer to this: that without the eternal beings and their knowledge, elves will forget more and more about themselves and lose their identity. As in fact it happens. Abelas may try to teach them, but even if he is the temple's leader he is not one of the wise ones. So he can only delay the inevitable.

I read his whole post. I interpreted it as follows: Modern elves believe that their lore was lost when Arlathan fell. They believe that it  happened because they couldn't spread it to others as easily as before because they were slaves and because those who could teach it to younger ones started to die which lead to a situation where their lore slowly perished. Modern elves believe that they lost their immortality but people in ancient Tevinter believed that they never were immortal.

 

Maybe elves never were immortal or they had already lost their immortality when Tevinter conquered Arlathan.

 

Anyway I agree with you that Abelas is most likely not the wise one and because of that he isn't the best person to teach the younger ones. He might not know enough to teach the whole lore to them.

[Vorathrad]

I read his whole post. I interpreted it as follows: Modern elves believe that their lore was lost when Arlathan fell. They believe that it  happened because they couldn't spread it to others as easily as before because they were slaves and because those who could teach it to younger ones started to die which lead to a situation where their lore slowly perished. Modern elves believe that they lost their immortality but people in ancient Tevinter believed that they never were immortal.

 

Maybe elves never were immortal or they had already lost their immortality when Tevinter conquered Arlathan.

 

Anyway I agree with you that Abelas is most likely not the wise one and because of that he isn't the best person to teach the younger ones. He might not know enough to teach the whole lore to them.

 

Yeah, I also think that for some reason elves had already started losing their immortality when Arlathan was conquered by Tevinter. If memory serves well, it's Abelas himself who tells the Inquisitor that Tevinter only finished the job, that elves had already brought themselves down by the time Tevinter showed up. I don't have a clue about what it could be that destroyed Arlathan, but I guess it has to do with the fights among the pantheon. 

 

What I'm more interested about that Gaider text is the way that knowledge was preserved in Arlathan. Why did they rely on the "wise ones" to impart that knowledge? They thought that it was better in the minds of powerful, immortal beings and devices such as the well than in say, books? 

 

In fact he gives her the right not permission.

 

I think this is the key. Abelas letting the Inquisitor or Morrigan take the well is Abelas acknowledging his defeat. He is no longer able to protect the well, he can't keep you from taking it, so he decides to let you take its knowledge. I watched the conversation before the well, and at first Abelas says "So the sanctum is despoiled at last [...] Better it be lost than bestowed upon the undeserving" It's his last attempt at protecting the well, but afterwards in conversation he realizes that if he can't protect it anymore it will be lost forever to oblivion or taken by Corypheus or a similar foul creature. So he decides to let the Inquisitor, who at least showed some respect for Mythal, take it. This change is of course also the player getting what they need to advance the story. But I find it very moving that Abelas tries to fulfill his mission until the very end. 

[Babelas]

Yeah, I also think that for some reason elves had already started losing their immortality when Arlathan was conquered by Tevinter. If memory serves well, it's Abelas himself who tells the Inquisitor that Tevinter only finished the job, that elves had already brought themselves down by the time Tevinter showed up. I don't have a clue about what it could be that destroyed Arlathan, but I guess it has to do with the fights among the pantheon. 

 

What I'm more interested about that Gaider text is the way that knowledge was preserved in Arlathan. Why did they rely on the "wise ones" to impart that knowledge? They thought that it was better in the minds of powerful, immortal beings and devices such as the well than in say, books? 

 

 

I think this is the key. Abelas letting the Inquisitor or Morrigan take the well is Abelas acknowledging his defeat. He is no longer able to protect the well, he can't keep you from taking it, so he decides to let you take its knowledge. I watched the conversation before the well, and at first Abelas says "So the sanctum is despoiled at last [...] Better it be lost than bestowed upon the undeserving" It's his last attempt at protecting the well, but afterwards in conversation he realizes that if he can't protect it anymore it will be lost forever to oblivion or taken by Corypheus or a similar foul creature. So he decides to let the Inquisitor, who at least showed some respect for Mythal, take it. This change is of course also the player getting what they need to advance the story. But I find it very moving that Abelas tries to fulfill his mission until the very end. 

You are one of the few who understands him. Many people cannot see past the first few exchanges he has with their Inquisitor to see the potential depth of the character.

 

( I am imagining this being said in Billy Connolly's falsetto voice from the move Brave) He didn't declare my Lavellan one of his people and he calls him/her a Shemlin. I cannot possibly see past this supposed insult to understand why Abelas does not welcome me into his home or to understand that it is, in fact, a true statement. The modern elves are so far removed from their ancestors that it really is like night and day. Never mind the fact Solas says far worse concerning the Dalish. People will then say, 'But Solas tries to help and Abelas does nothing.' I say: Read Above. Abelas gave you his soul people.

 

I am going to have to go create one of those bulletin sheets I saw someone make for Zevran once and why he does care for the warden and why his romance has so much depth.

[Vorathrad]

You are one of the few who understands him. Many people cannot see past the first few exchanges he has with their Inquisitor to see the potential depth of the character.

 

( I am imagining this being said in Billy Connolly's falsetto voice from the move Brave) He didn't declare my Lavellan one of his people and he calls him/her a Shemlin. I cannot possibly see past this supposed insult to understand why Abelas does not welcome me into his home or to understand that it is, in fact, a true statement. The modern elves are so far removed from their ancestors that it really is like night and day. Never mind the fact Solas says far worse concerning the Dalish. People will then say, 'But Solas tries to help and Abelas does nothing.' I say: Read Above. Abelas gave you his soul people.

 

I am going to have to go create one of those bulletin sheets I saw someone make for Zevran once and why he does care for the warden and why his romance has so much depth.

 

Do eeeet! We must spread the Abelas love 

 

I can see that it's difficult to see past Abelas grumpy reception; gamers are used to the PC being well-received everywhere, everybody loves you because you're the main character. And here is Abelas telling you that the doesn't give a damn about you and your mission, and he didn't kill you on the spot only because you showed some respect for the temple. And if you are an elf, that he still doesn't give a damn because you're not his people. I love it. But I can see that we players are usually too coddled by NPCs and some don't take right that one of them doesn't treat you as lord of the world. Even if it makes complete sense. 

 

Even I didn't start to think about the character until other people started talking about him on the Solas thread. I liked the character the first time I met him (dat voice...), but I could say he's an acquired taste.

 

I totally agree that Solas is much harsher towards the Dalish; but he's a companion and potential romance, so probably people are much more forgiving to him. I also agree that Abelas gives you what matters most to him; and you can't defeat Corypheus without the knowledge of the well, so I'd say he helped in no small amount.

[Abelas Forever!]

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[Abelas Forever!]

I am going to have to go create one of those bulletin sheets I saw someone make for Zevran once and why he does care for the warden and why his romance has so much depth.

Sounds good!

 

Do eeeet! We must spread the Abelas love 

 

I can see that it's difficult to see past Abelas grumpy reception; gamers are used to the PC being well-received everywhere, everybody loves you because you're the main character. And here is Abelas telling you that the doesn't give a damn about you and your mission, and he didn't kill you on the spot only because you showed some respect for the temple. And if you are an elf, that he still doesn't give a damn because you're not his people. I love it. But I can see that we players are usually too coddled by NPCs and some don't take right that one of them doesn't treat you as lord of the world. Even if it makes complete sense. 

 

Even I didn't start to think about the character until other people started talking about him on the Solas thread. I liked the character the first time I met him (dat voice...), but I could say he's an acquired taste.

 

I totally agree that Solas is much harsher towards the Dalish; but he's a companion and potential romance, so probably people are much more forgiving to him. I also agree that Abelas gives you what matters most to him; and you can't defeat Corypheus without the knowledge of the well, so I'd say he helped in no small amount.

The bolded text is why I like Abelas so much. You said it so well

 

When I first saw Abelas I though "nice!". But I didn't think about it much afterwards. I noticed this thread but it took me quite some time to come here and say something but this thread just kept popping up so I had to come and say something At first I was skeptical could Abelas be in the next DA game because he can die but people in this thread convinced me that it can be done and there can be a good reason why he didn't actually die and now I just don't care whether there is a good reason or not if he comes back

[Brass_Buckles]

While discussing the fact that death doesn't mean permanent death in Dragon Age games, I said the following about Abelas:   I don't care if I can't romance him, I want him in my party to tell me stuff about elves and be angry at Solas for killing what was left of Mythal.

 

Yeah I like Solas, but Abelas SHOULD be angry at Solas the moment he knows what happened.

 

More likely though, let's be honest:  We probably won't ever encounter Abelas again, even should he have survived a Morrigan-stabbing.  Maybe, just maybe we'll luck out and get another ancient elf in the party, one who's more open about his or her origins and age than Solas is.  Could be a surviving Sentinel other than Abelas, even.

 

It'd be nice to have another ancient elven romance option, but, they don't have to be a romance option to be a valuable party member and help us delve deeper in to Dragon Age lore.  If Abelas were to show up next game as a party member, I'd be pleased just to be able to make friends with him.  Seems like making buddies with grumpy ol' Abelas might be a satisfying experience in terms of the time and effort it would take and the presumed healing his character would undergo depending how you dealt with him.

[Babelas]

I'd love for him to show up too ideally as a romance option. But I am not getting my hopes up at all. He has his many fans, most of which stick to tumblr or read Abelas fanfiction. I think a few come here.  I feel like the story practically writes itself. He would be a fascinating companion. But I think the way he was written was leave little hope of that happening. If he isn't killed by Morrigan he wants to slip into uthenera.  Honestly, it's starting to get depressing for me. I have a story I write about him and I come here to try and keep some sort of interest alive. It's an uphill battle probably a pointless one but I love the character. 

[Brass_Buckles]

I'd love for him to show up too ideally as a romance option. But I am not getting my hopes up at all. He has his many fans, most of which stick to tumblr or read Abelas fanfiction. I think a few come here.  I feel like the story practically writes itself. He would be a fascinating companion. But I think the way he was written was leave little hope of that happening. If he isn't killed by Morrigan he wants to slip into uthenera.  Honestly, it's starting to get depressing for me. I have a story I write about him and I come here to try and keep some sort of interest alive. It's an uphill battle probably a pointless one but I love the character. 

 

Well, apparently if you go wandering around post-Arbor Wilds doing side quests, Dorian and Solas can discuss it if you spared the Sentinels.  Solas will imply that Abelas might go looking for other ancient survivors.  So there's a good chance that if you spared him, he might still be around.

 

I'm really not sure, as interesting as it might be, that he should be a romance option even if we do see him again, though.  He's been through a lot, and he really doesn't like shemlen.  We're not going to be able to play an ancient elf, so that would limit our options.  It would probably be difficult for him to even accept a mortal person as a friend, nevermind as a lover--he's going to lose you either way, and it's going to be painful.  So it would take him time even to forge a friendship.

 

I also can't really see Abelas being available for a non-elf if he were a romance option (because you'd most likely be bonding with him over learning things from him), but then again we don't know much at all about his personality, other than that we invaded his home and he's really cranky with us about it.  He could be very open-minded about such things.

[Abelas Forever!]

I think whether we see Abelas or not depends on devs and do they want to bring him back or not. I think there are ways why he could be present in the future such as he has decided to tell elves about their heritage and because there are elves everywhere in Thedas even in Tevinter and that means where ever the next DA game takes place, he could be around.

I don't expect to see him anymore but I still think there is hope to see him again. If the final DLC will deal with Solas' situation then I think there is a good chance to include him in it or hear what his plans are.  

I would like him to be companion as well as LI. I don't see any reason why he couldn't be available to everybody. We don't know how ancient elves see other races but I think there are hints that at least elves and dwarves used to get along or at least some dwarves and some elves get along. I believe elven lore is wrong and humans didn't cause them to lose their immortality and that's why I believe that being human PC doesn't prevent him to fall in love with your PC. Besides all we see is that Abelas is more angrier to Dalish Inquisitor than to other inquisitors most likely because Dalish aren't honourable in his eyes. Maybe he shouldn't be available to Dalish What comes to immortality. I don't see any reason why that would prevent him from falling in love with a mortal. His love with a mortal would be brief but more meaningful. Besides maybe he would want to become mortal because life as a mortal is more meaningful than life as an immortal being because it's so short and you know that someday it will end.

[TEWR]

I find myself often in Abelas feels.

 

 

 

Yeah I like Solas, but Abelas SHOULD be angry at Solas the moment he knows what happened.

 

Abelas: The Dread Wolf didn't kill Mythal.

 

Solas, thinking: No, but he's gonna

 

But yeah, if Abelas found out that there was even some form of Mythal still left in the world, he would be pissed. He gave his life to a world he believed lost forever, a goddess that he thought had been killed long ago. And even though he admits it's possible some part of her was still around in the world, I'm sure he sometimes struggled with his faith.

 

and I have to wonder what his death line means. Mythal sulevin. The purpose for Mythal? The duty for Mythal? Perhaps he's taking solace in having lived his life fully, and completely, in service to Mythal. Or is it perhaps a vision that Mythal was still around, in his last moments? Sulevin means purpose, but I dunno... it's kinda a strange thing I think for him to say on his death.

[Abelas Forever!]

and I have to wonder what his death line means. Mythal sulevin. The purpose for Mythal? The duty for Mythal? Perhaps he's taking solace in having lived his life fully, and completely, in service to Mythal. Or is it perhaps a vision that Mythal was still around, in his last moments? Sulevin means purpose, but I dunno... it's kinda a strange thing I think for him to say on his death.

Mythal's purpose sounds right and it is weird thing to say when he is dying. It makes me think that there is a reason why he says that other than just remembering or honouring Mythal. I think the phrase could be used when Mythal's followers gave their knowledge to the well but that doesn't make any sense because Abelas probably doesn't want to give his knowledge to the well when somebody unworthy is going to drink from it unless he is going to establish a resistance with other voices in the well or tell them that this person is unworthy Maybe he calls Mythal in his last moments and hopes that she can save him. The phrase also makes me think that maybe he wonders whether Mythal's purpose for him was that he dies protecting the well. Maybe he didn't believe that he can die in a Temple because he thinks that Mythal still protects it and she would protect him as well because he is the leader.

 

By the way do you happen to know what venavis mean? I have been wondering that for a while now.

[Vorathrad]

I was going to tell about the Dorian and Solas banter, but Brass_Buckels beat me to it  Anyway, midnight tea quoted the banter on the Abelas thread so I will post it for reference: (source http://forum.bioware...#entry19563191)

 

Dorian: We found elves, living ancient elves, at the Temple of Mythal. Does that bother you, Solas?
Solas: I'm pleased we were not forced to kill them, if that's what you mean.

Dorian: I mean them being there at all. Thousands of years later, and they live.

Dorian: There could be others, in ruins we haven't yet discovered. Shouldn't we be looking for them?

Solas: Perhaps Abelas will do that.

Dorian: Hmm, I wonder if that's a good thing?

 

I'd love if we came across Abelas trying to locate other surviving ancient elves. I know he can be dead in some playthroughs; but if we could murderknife Morrigan and she came back nevertheless, it's only fair that Abelas comes back even if Morrigan murderknifed him 

 

Abelas romance, yes please! It could make interesting character development, his gradually acepting that a mortal being, even a non-elven mortal, is worthy of admiration and even love. Even if he wasn't a romanceable character, it'd be great having him as a companion (provided the devs gave him enough dialogue) You could not only talk to him about Arlathan times, but also about his experiences in the Temple and adapting to modern life out of it. I know it's difficult we'll be seeing him again, but hey Team Blind Optimism FTW! 

 

Re: "Mythal sulevin" maybe it's something like "Mythal forever!" I know it's not what sulevin means, but maybe it does when said as a kind of rallying cry) I have no idea what venavis means, where did you see it Silent?

[Abelas Forever!]

I never heard that banter. Maybe Solas keeps in touch with Abelas. Maybe they meet once in a while in the Fade and tell each others what is happening in their life or what is the situation where ever they are. Or maybe they see each other somewhere in the Eluvian network. Maybe Solas is using Morrigan's Eluvian to meet Abelas I wonder what Morrigan would say to that Anyway they propably aren't sending letters to each other or maybe I'm wrong

 

When you see Abelas for the first time he says to you "Venavis." It's also the first word he says to you. It's probably nothing friendly. Most likely not "Welcome to my humble temple" Although It would be fun if it would be some kind of angient elven joke and when you didn't laugh at it he become grumpy

[Vorathrad]

I never heard that banter. Maybe Solas keeps in touch with Abelas. Maybe they meet once in a while in the Fade and tell each others what is happening in their life or what is the situation where ever they are. Or maybe they see each other somewhere in the Eluvian network. Maybe Solas is using Morrigan's Eluvian to meet Abelas I wonder what Morrigan would say to that Anyway they propably aren't sending letters to each other or maybe I'm wrong

 

When you see Abelas for the first time he says to you "Venavis." It's also the first word he says to you. It's probably nothing friendly. Most likely not "Welcome to my humble temple" Although It would be fun if it would be some kind of angient elven joke and when you didn't laugh at it he become grumpy

 

Solas: "Abelas, I gotta go, someone is com..."

Morrigan; "What are you doing with my eluvian, Solas?"

Solas: "Ahem... I needed a full length mirror to check my outfit for Halamshiral!"

 

I think "Venavis" must have been the elven translation of my grumbles after I wake up and before I had my morning coffee 

[Babelas]

I know I'm supposed to be taking a break from the forum but the comments have been priceless. Vorathad and SilentShadows, you two are comedy gold. I always believed that when Abelas says Mythal sulevin, he was basically saying there was certainty in Mythal or Mythal is certainty, like his final prayer. A great compliment. That's my guess. Okay sorry! Back to break time.

[Vorathrad]

Thank you, Babelas!  Hope you come back from your break soon!

[Brass_Buckles]

Solas: "Abelas, I gotta go, someone is com..."

Morrigan; "What are you doing with my eluvian, Solas?"

Solas: "Ahem... I needed a full length mirror to check my outfit for Halamshiral!"

 

I think "Venavis" must have been the elven translation of my grumbles after I wake up and before I had my morning coffee 

 

Maybe that's the real reason Abelas is so cranky:  We woke him up too early and didn't even give him a chance to have any caffeine.