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[Tielis]

*jaw drops*

 

I'll be in my bunk.

[Abelas Forever!]

MayriyaNoori I really liked Lavellan's date with Abelas  in the library. I like that kind of Abelas very much. I have one suggestion: "Inky becomes jealous of Abelas". But no pressure! Write if you really want

Thank you Babelas. I love you too But it's good to see other people as well and hear their opinions/theories and other stuff. I like exploring his character from different angles and I can't do that alone

[Abelas Forever!]

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[Abelas Forever!]

Here are some of my thoughts about Abelas:

I think the best thing that can happen to him is that Inky takes away his well because then he can really start over and continue his life. He has been so long there trying to prolong their existence. Maybe hoping that some day Mythal will come back. But she never did. Even though he probably is still bound to somebody, he can now move on and he has new duties in his life. Maybe there are more chances in succeeding in his future tasks than he had when he was trying to preserve the well.

I believe Abelas knew who Solas was right away when you entered the Temple. I suspect that Abelas didn't like what ever Solas did back then. That's why he is quite angry at him. I think Abelas might respect Solas' advice even if he doesn't approve of his actions back then. What ever they were. I think Solas must have done something. I believe that Abelas could also help Solas to make things right again because Solas' mission is greater than Abelas' personal opinion of Solas.  I think it also could be that Solas isn't Abelas' god and that's why he doesn't respect him the way he respects Mythal. If Solas is a god at all

I believe that Abelas didn't recognize Morrigan or didn't know that she is Mythal's daughter or is she? I mean Flemeth delivered her. Even if Mythal is part of Flemeth it could be that Mythal isn't part of Morrigan just yet. Maybe that is something that Morrigan needs to accept. Maybe it happens before Flemeth dies. She sends her godhood to Morrigan and that way she becomes Mythal's daughter.

I think Abelas knows quite lot about the modern Thedas. How? I have no idea. Maybe he saw everything from the Fade or he did use that Eluvian to travel around in disguise.

I believe there must be something that we don't know about the Dalish because it seems like Abelas hates them. He has his reasons for hating them. But if they would be totally unworthy then why he is so angry when Inky talks about them. He could have laughed at Inky for thinking that she/he is one of the people but instead he is angry. I have been thinking that Dalish are those who willingly became mortals or maybe they never were immortal in the first place and now they are pretending to be the descendants of the immortal elves even thought they aren't. Maybe they are descendants of the slaves or criminals. Anyway I think something like that could explain Abelas' anger towards them.

I don't think Abelas is afraid of becoming a mortal. I believe elves who become mortal chose to do that. Maybe some of servants or slaves chose to become mortal because they didn't want to be immortal if they ever were immortal in the first place.

About those purple sentinels. I think they are either Solas' people and that's why they are different or maybe they are sentinels who haven't yet materialized. Anyway they look gorgeous.


 

[MayriyaNoori]

@ Silentshadows

 

Yeah, all the things you list are basically the other side of the Abelas coin and it's those little details that are missing that would clue us in to the full picture. The descendant thing I had not thought of and that makes sense. Even if they were criminals, they could be the descendants of those who did some sort of big rebellion that pushed along the fall of Arlathan. Something that I bet Abelas....and other ancient elves....would look down on.

 

The part about elves and their mortality really itches my brain though. we don't really see Solas or Abelas, both ancient elves, really acting very concerned about interacting with mortals in regards to their immortality. Abelas does mention finding a place the shemlen haven't touched.....but he doesn't sound fearful or anything. Just more like someone who wants to retire in a quiet neighborhood.

 

I sort of wonder if elven immortality had more to do with being servants of the Pantheon. Mythal still sort of being around would explain why her sentinel servants haven't aged. The only other dedicated temple we've been to is Dirthamen's.....and those guys lost their marbles when Dirthamen vanished. Like, locked themselves in and went bonkers. The leader even tried to set up some sort of blood ritual for something in secret.

 

And if modern elves are those who rebelled against the system that was in place and left the pantheon, the consequence was losing immortality. And later on, when they realized or thought it was a mistake they started putting on the vallaslin back on in hopes of some sort of return to better times. That's a big shot in the dark though.

 

The real answer is we need more juicy lore.

 

*looks at Tuesday on calendar*

 

It's close. So...close.

[Abelas Forever!]

I believe that Abelas and Solas both reflect the ways ancient elves think and once the truth about elven history is revealed everything is clear and their reaction to certain things makes sense. I just feel that the whole truth is so near and I can almost combine it from all those information bits but it's still so far away because there are so many possible possibilities how everything could have happened.

I have also been thinking that either Dalish forgot quite a lot about their history over the years or some people hide that information or intentionally altered it. I mean if they actually were descendants of the slaves then somebody might have took effort to hide this information and come up with stories that humans made them lose their immortality etc. when they actually weren't immortal or they regretted giving up on it.

Yes Abelas and Solas don't seem to be afraid of mortals. Solas has also troubles keeping his hands of the elven Inky    If Abelas would have been afraid of losing his immortality I don't think he would have allied with Inky and her companions.

I have started to believe that immortality and the Fade is connected some how. Maybe the ancient elves were connected to Fade somehow and that made them immortal. Maybe the modern elves have lost that or they were never connected to Fade because they are not really the People even though they look like the ancient elves. Maybe only the People are immortal. Maybe because they are connected to Fade or they are connected with the gods or because they just are.

I have been waiting for this DLC for so long. First I was afraid because I fear that something bad will happen to the Solas romance and I can't do anything about it. But now I'm starting to feel sad because the story will end. It was great time waiting for new information of DA:I before it was released. Then the game was actually released and then I waited this DLC to come out and now that it has almost come out I feel sad because the journey with my Inkys have come to an end. Will there be DA4? Will I see his Thighship in the future? Hopefully

[Babelas]

We've been waiting so long for new faces around and they come at the end! *spank* Joking! Better late than never. I open up my e-mail and my friend sends me spoilers for the new dlc via picture. There was no warning. I opened the e-mail and there it was! She has officially lost e-mail privileges. But I did have a snoop at file names. Not sure what to make of it all and NO I am not going to spoil it for anyone so no worries.

 

I was thinking that last night Silent Shadows... Solas doesn't act like he might catch something from Inky. He acts like he wants to catch something from Inky Unless there is something that makes Solas different or immune I think humans were not responsible for the loss of  elven immortality. I also noticed Solas never says what made the elves lose their immortality. He just says immortality was part of being elven. What does that mean? That could mean so many things!

 

I sort of wonder if elven immortality had more to do with being servants of the Pantheon. Mythal still sort of being around would explain why her sentinel servants haven't aged. 

 

Hmmm interesting point. Yeah I know! Dirthamen's temple priests rarely get mentioned. I wonder if people skipped that quest? I remember thinking Abelas is da man keeping the temple still functioning when you can see how many temples collapsed throughout Thedas. Some of that looks like it was by infighting too. The codex for that quest make us all look like sane people.

 

SilentShadows I am always here if you need a hug. *hugs* See Hugs live here in the Abelas thread I have to admit that my attention is turning to DA4 more (if there is one) Trying to figure out how to convince the devs to bring Abelas into it as an LI. I guess we just ask loudly? 

[Abelas Forever!]

Thank you Babelas for not spoiling! I have noticed that something has leaked from the DLC and I'm trying to avoid it because I want to be strong and play that DLC even if it means that I'm going to be emotionally wrecked afterwards. Thanks for the hug I needed that! I'm also available if you or anyone needs one!

I have been wondering as well about Solas' words regarding elven immortality. I played the Adamant Fade mission (I don't remember it's name) just a while ago and here is what I found out or at least this is my impression of it because I might remember it horribly wrong and I haven't checked if this is really what happened. So you are warned There was a letter from Corypheus servant/slave where he talks about a ritual which I thinks is the ritual which Tevinter magisters used to enter the golden city. In it this servant talks about ancient elves and their blood and that this blood contains elven magic. Anyway maybe it's elven blood that makes elves immortal. It could also be that some kind of ritual is needed so that elven blood is connected to Fade. I know this sounds weird because blood connected to Fade sounds really odd and it makes me laugh but seriously it could be that elven blood is the key to their immortality. Maybe the connection to Fade and to elven immortality is there but without initiating it with the ritual the elf isn't immortal.

I just replayed the Dirthamen temple. It was interesting. My memory is very bad but I got the impression that the high priest wanted to perform a ritual which would take away the secrets of its followers after Dirthamen had vanished. At least that was something that the followers of Dirthamen thought about the priest. But the truth? Who knows. I think the whole temple leads to more questions than answers. Why did the priest wanted to take the secrets from the followers? Was it because of the power or was there also something else?

I think the situation with Abelas and the sentinels are different than the situation with followers of Dirthamen. I assume that Mythal died before the gods vanished so what ever happened to other gods is different than the situation with Mythal. Of course Solas is now woken up and hanging around Thedas but he never were there where the other gods still are. Mythal found her way to Thedas. She was alive. Maybe that she was alive had impact on Abelas and the sentinels. The followers of Dirthamen didn't know what to do after their god had vanished and it seems that it lead to conflicts between them which then destroyed them all. But for Abelas and the sentinels the whole thing was different. Their goddess had died earlier and I think they were preparing for her killers. They had purpose. Maybe that saved them. Or the thought that Mythal would some day come to them. Of course Abelas had a big role in keeping everything in order but I think it was also easier for him because they had this purpose.

I have been thinking that if we just keep our Abelas appreciation flame alive then it might have some influence on whether we will see him again. I mean if devs ever come here on these forums they might see this thread here. Maybe they just think that this appreciation will go away eventually. But if we keep talking and appreciating Abelas and when they keep seeing this thread over an over again they might start to think that. "Hey. Abelas was quite interesting character. Maybe we should bring him back to DA:4?" When time passes by and Abelas thread still endures. They might start to think or more likely it might be a small nagging feeling in their minds that Abelas should be brought back   and then we will see him.

[MayriyaNoori]

Here you go guys.

 

Lavellan and Abelas in a sorta cooking scenerio. Your choice of Winter Palace or Skyhold. Won't matter.

 

Spoiler

 

Abelas; *walks into kitchen and sees Lavellan* Inquisitor? What are you doing here? Don't you have servants cook for you?

Lavellan:*jumps and nearly drops a honey jar* Abelas! Sweet Creators, can you please walk louder or something?

Abelas: I will try to stomp more. I suppose.

Lavellan: Good....ugh this honey jar! I can't get it open! There's fresh hearth cakes and this stupid jar lid won't budge.

Abelas:*watches Lavellan struggle with jar in silence for a while*

Lavellan:*sigh* I give up

Abelas:*starts a low chuckle*

Lavellan: What's so funny?

Abelas:*tries to hide laugh*

Lavellan: Seriously?

Abelas: *grabs honey jar and opens it*

Lavellan:*glare* Okay, now you are just being mean.

Abelas: No. Just, who would think that the woman who can open and close doors to the Fade could be defeated by a honey jar? *hands Lavellan open honey jar*

Lavellan: Okay....that is pretty funny.

 

 

Just short and sweet fluff.

 

Cause that's how I roll!

 

 

[Abelas Forever!]

I like Abelas fluff!

 

I saw this in Michel de Chevin thread:

http://forum.bioware...7#entry19645844

 

So isn't Patrick Weekes dragon age lead writer? I was just thinking that if he likes honorable and flawed characters and Abelas is definitely honorable and usually characters are flawed... So the only logical conclusion is: Abelas semi-confirmed for DA4 !!

[Babelas]

I am... trying to keep my mouth shut lolol. You know how difficult that is for me. Seriously, I won't say anything. I'm just thinking about things and how it will all work out in the end. It's going to be one hell of a ride my friend. I'm sad because I feel like after Tuesday I'll lose everyone on here. Maybe I'm just drunk. I was giggling at Dorian's laugh earlier.

 

Maybe 'pure' elven blood is the key. That sounds so bad no matter how I say it. No modern day elf has 'pure' elven blood any longer. 

 

Dirthamen's temple is the weirdest experience lore wise. Those elves lost their minds. Collecting bits and pieces of person just proves that.

 

True, they did have purpose and they were held there by the geas but they still could have killed each other. I have no idea how much influence wisp Mythal has over the sentinels. Considering what she did with Inky or Morrigan, I guess complete control. How I envy Mythal LOL... I know. So very wrong.

 

I'm all for keeping it alive. On slow days with pictures if need be. Considering the dlc is supposed to be new material for romances I've noticed that Solas and Cullen seem to keep the spotlight and this thread tends to stay close, which is amazing for a character with 5 mins of screen time. He has more pages than some of the main companions.

 

I am very tempted to create a twitter account and just ask Mr. Weekes if we will see him again and that the Abelas thread would appreciate it greatly if he would consider him for a romance option in future. What do you think?

 

 

I love your fluff! Abelas so sweet! (no pun intended) Honey has soooooooooo many possibilities.

 

Uggg sorting out my main Inky for the expansion and trying sooooooo hard to resist the allure of Solas. Damned Elf!!!!!!!!

[Babelas]

Resisted! LOL! I remember now why he is better as a friend than lover. What is it with Abelas and the way he moves? It's so fluid and sexy. Okay.. shushing or I will every Solas romancer from here to the arctic hating on me. Have a nice weekend all!

[Abelas Forever!]

Since I play on PS4 I think I can start playing on wednesday and not on tuesday because of how the ps store updates.

I'm planning on staying here after the DLC I have backup plans what to do if Abelas flaming thigh appreciation is starting to wither. So if I start asking weird questions it just means that I have started my emergency measures for keeping this flame alive

Babelas I don't see why you couldn't ask Weekes about his plans on Abelas. Of course he can't answer and he might not even know just yet but maybe that puts some ideas into his mind.

I think I'm going to vanish from these forums for a while because I'm afraid to see spoilers from the DLC. See you later!

[Vorathrad]

I love all the discussion going on, everyone is making excellent points and analysis; it's a pity it didn't start earlier but let's enjoy it while it lasts! 

 

First of all, thank you so much Babelas for warning about the spoilers. I'm adamant about doing my first playthrough completely unspoiled (in fact, I never even watch trailers, Trespasser was an exception because I was so hyped) I think I'll stick to this thread only, so if you aren't able to resist, please warn and put everything under spoiler tags!

 

MayriyaNoori, I'm loving your snippets to pieces."Abelas: No. Just, who would think that the woman who can open and close doors to the Fade could be defeated by a honey jar? *hands Lavellan open honey jar* <-- that is just pure gold. I agree with Brass Buckles that I'd like a slow paced evolution for the romance, but as you said, these snippets are only for fun (and a much needed dose of fluff after all the Solas feels, I'm sure we'll all welcome it after Trespasser) And for now they are both funny and sweet, I even loved the one with Sera! It sounds just like her! 

 

I think Abelas does know who Solas is from the beginning, just not exactly who he is. As you said, he'd have shown some form of respect for Solas if he'd knew that he's Fen'Harel. But he sees through the Inquisitor right away; if she's a Dalish, she knows what she is and what kind of magic she's wielding. As you also mentioned, I think that Elvhen are able to see much more than meets the eye, and I bet that Abelas knows exactly what every companion is. But we also know that Fen'Harel was able to walk both among the Creators and the Forgotten Ones. I think he must be able to conceal his identity in some way, as he did with the Inquisition (now that I think of it, given that mortals have none of the elvhen perception, infiltrating the Inquisition must have been soooo easy for him) So either Abelas sensed that he was an ancient elf but Solas prevented his knowing anything else, or they had some kind of mental chat like Solas and Cole do, and Solas warned him not to reveal his identity. 

 

I don't know about Morrigan. I really hope that Mythal's godhood doesn't go to her, but that's just probably because I dislike her so much. I hate her as much as the devs love her, and it irks me so much whenever she ends up involved in the big events. My Lavellan wanted to choke her every time she boasted about how much she knew about ancient elves. Grrrrr. Don't mind me, I just had one of my anti-Morrigan rant seizures, they happen from time to time  Anyway, Abelas seems to have nothing but disdain for her (Hah!! You'll never taste those sweet thighs, witch!) It might be that he's blinded by Morrigan's greediness for the Well or that there is more of Flemeth than Mythal in her. (Please Bioware let not Abelas be Morrigan's father, I suffered enough in this life already)

 

SilentShadows, you have a very good point with the immortality connection to the Fade; I think that dragon blood and the Fade may be the keys to it. Maybe the quickening of the elves began when the Veil was put in place? Like you said, it's like we have all the pieces to the truth but there are so many ways they can be put together. I hope we get some serious lore dump in Trespasser.

 

The point about Abelas being fluent in the modern language is also a very good one. My guess is there are some other eluvians in the Temple that Abelas has been using to venture out to the modern world. He doesn't seem to know the current situation in detail but he is clearly not oblivious, so he must have gone out of theTemple from time to time. 

 

Since Trespasser was announced, I was pleasantly surprised to see this thread up on the first positions all the time. I hope we can keep it for some time, I have a hunch that devs liked how his character turned out and how the sentinels are quite popular despite their short screen time, and maybe we'll see them in DA4 if we show them enough interest. I'm willing even to share my terrible beginner art to keep the thread up  If we end up seeing Abelas in DA4, I hope they follow that amazing Artmorte's drawing; that's exactly how I'd love Abelas to look without the hood. 

 

RE: the purple sentinels, I fear that they are a kind of spirit guardians for whatever place the shot shows. But the Team Optimism in me hopes they can be seen in full form in you allied with them in the Temple.

 

Sorry for the wall of text with so many different thoughts, I wanted to comment on some of the amazing points you've been making!

 

Abelas sulevin! 

[Vorathrad]

This isn't an Abelas/Solas peeing contest. If it was... Abelas would win the thigh contest and Solas the backside contest. 

 

Sorry, I just had to quote this genius comment   Really, what's with elven spinning classes? They bring all the elven glory to their lower body.

[Babelas]

The discussion really is nice. It's been so pleasant and thought provoking. 

 

Don't worry, I am not going to post spoilers. I had it done to me by a friend and I don't wish that on any one.

 

I agree! MayriyaNoori really has a talent for writing Abelas and the companions. I have loved everything written! I also want to say that I very much appreciate you taken the time to write it

 

I go back and forth all the time with Abelas and Solas and their relationship. At times, I think Abelas would show him respect, other times, I am really uncertain what Solas is to the Elvhen. But I do believe the Elvhen can sense more than the modern elf. I have no idea how far that perception goes. But how did Abelas know Solas was one of his people? He either recognized him or he felt it or he saw it in a way no one else but Elvhen can perceive.

 

Sometimes I do think Abelas is angry with the Dalish. I'm not sure why. Some times I think Abelas just hates what the modern elf has become. I suspect he has walked among them to learn the common language. He obviously didn't like what he saw. But for all we know he may have walked among Dalish that were more like common bandits than the ones who are respectable. That could have colored his view. It's hard to say. But the fact Abelas knows the common tongue, and the other elves in that temple do not, makes me believe he didn't learn it from the Fade yet... the old Elvhen guide seems to know what Sera is saying. Maybe she guessed Sera was being a ****** through the tone of her voice or maybe the old Elvhen guide refuses to speak the common tongue. I'm unsure. What did make me laugh my head off was Solas during that guided tour. He would say things like: "I think she would like us to move on." His Fen'Harel was showing. 

 

I do feel like Morrigan is pushed on us quite roughly at times. I get that she is clever, that she is a witch and Flemeth's daughter. Okay I have all that. It does make sense she would know much about elven lore but! what shocked me was the fact that Flemeth did not reveal some truth to her. Abelas knew Mythal had been murdered but Flemythal's daughter doesn't know that??? It was so inconsistent. One minute Morrigan is talking me to death about crap I already know as a Dalish (and complete DA nerd), and the next she is standing there looking foolish (as she likes to say) because elf daddy knows more I had to say it! Honestly I was thrilled when Abelas revealed the truth to Morrigan. It shut her up for two seconds. I don't hate Morrigan but I did feel like she was thrown at me too much. I preferred her in Origins.

 

The point about Abelas being fluent in the modern language is also a very good one. My guess is there are some other eluvians in the Temple that Abelas has been using to venture out to the modern world. He doesn't seem to know the current situation in detail but he is clearly not oblivious, so he must have gone out of theTemple from time to time. 

 

Wish he had visited my Inky's clan. She would have been ogling His Thighness.

 

Since Trespasser was announced, I was pleasantly surprised to see this thread up on the first positions all the time. I hope we can keep it for some time, I have a hunch that devs liked how his character turned out and how the sentinels are quite popular despite their short screen time, and maybe we'll see them in DA4 if we show them enough interest. I'm willing even to share my terrible beginner art to keep the thread up    If we end up seeing Abelas in DA4, I hope they follow that amazing Artmorte's drawing; that's exactly how I'd love Abelas to look without the hood. 

 

It's really wonderful to have so many thoughtful people in one place. Please share your artwork! I'd love to see it! It amazed me when I ventured onto tumblr and did a search for Abelas for the first time. He is everywhere. I also know from sharing my writing that there are tons of people out there who love him and want to see more. I just wish people would mention him to the devs more because I have no idea how often they look at the forum. I really love Artmorte's comments when she draws Abelas. They always bring a smile to my face. It sounds like he  swoops in when she is least expecting it. 

 

RE: the purple sentinels, I fear that they are a kind of spirit guardians for whatever place the shot shows. But the Team Optimism in me hopes they can be seen in full form in you allied with them in the Temple.

 

I hope the sentinels materialize based on our choices. I don't know if they are in the dlc or not. I haven't heard any spoilers in that area. I promise if I do I won't say a word. Most people are interested in their love interests etc... 

 

Wall text is always welcomed

[kimgoold]

three little words .. HOT, HOT, HOT

[MayriyaNoori]

/blush at the writing compliments.

 

I enjoy writing the little snippets and part of that enjoyment is knowing some others like them also. I know there's a lot of hostile areas in all fandoms. I prefer to be part of the "Let's hold each others hands, skip along and make each other smile!"

 

Maybe in Thedas I would have been a Dalish hippie story teller! There are worst things in Thedas to be I'm sure.

[Tielis]

I am hoping against hope that those purple sentinels materialize into the real deal, with Abelas out there in the lead.

 

But if that's not the case, then I really really hope we can get with him in DA4.

[The Ascendant]

I wonder if he'll show up in Trespasser.

[Vorathrad]

@The Ascendant I certainly hope so! Moar Abelas is always good. And they left enough things open about his future (sans murderknife) that it can make a good encounter.

 

@Babelas I like to think that Abelas is angry at the Dalish the same way an ancient Greek or Roman would be angry at modern Europeans. All your big works are little more than ruins now (if they even remain), your whole culture and history is remembered in broken ways and rebuilt from looking at broken vases, and nobody can tell them how it really was because your people are long gone. In fact, it makes a lot of sense that ancient Elven and the elven language spoken by the Dalish are not mutually intelilligible: it must be like talking in Latin to Spanish or Italian people.

 

I enjoy writing the little snippets and part of that enjoyment is knowing some others like them also. I know there's a lot of hostile areas in all fandoms. I prefer to be part of the "Let's hold each others hands, skip along and make each other smile!"

 

Maybe in Thedas I would have been a Dalish hippie story teller! There are worst things in Thedas to be I'm sure.

 

Yeah, I also like fluff even in fandoms  There's enough confrontation and drama in real life. 

 

Being a Dalish hippie in Thedas is surely better than being the guy that makes the healing potion flasks. Or the one that follows the Inquisitor and co. fetching all the broken glass so poor Inquisition soldiers don't have to step on it. I'm sure that's one of the reasons Abelas is so grumpy when we meet him. "I just swept the floor and mortals here are too almighty to use bins!!"

[Abelis]

I'm in for Abelas as a LI for DA4 too! and thanks all for not spoiling this last DLC! (my hand is itching to google what has been datamined, but I will be strong! I want it to hit me as it comes when I play it!)

Since you are talking/theorizing about the nature of Elvhens, I leave these thoughts here that i'm trying to connect but failing to do so

 

1) After Tom, when you speak to Solas, he says that the 'creators' as Dalish call them were not gods, but powerful mages or spirits or something we have never seen before (I'm betting on the latter one)

2) During Cole's mission, Solas says one cannot change his nature by simply wishing it, and immediately averts his look from Varric, looking at quizzy (or maybe not looking at her, but recalling/remembering something that contradicts what just said?)

3) If you make Cole more human he says in a banter that he never expected to see it (spirit made human), and Cole says "when did you see it again?" which he of course denies, saying that Cole misheard his thoughts (maybe they are powerful spirits that changed their nature? or maybe that how they lost their immortality?)

4) If you meet Kieran as an elf, he says "your blood is very old [..] why do you want to look like this?" (ehmm meaning I could look like something else if i wanted?)

5) During ToM, when Abelas says to Solas "Elvhen such as you?" I get the feeling that he knows who Solas really is, there is a slight bitterness in his voice when he says so (or that how it sounded to me ).

6) Again during ToM, when you first meet the sentinels and talk to them, Solas watches the conversation by looking at quizzy and Abelas when they are talking. But when quizzy asks him to say something to convince them, he answers some sorts of "why would they listen to me?" and for the rest of the convo he looks at the floor, remembering (?) and being sad.

7) There is a banter between Solas and Cole, where Cole says "you are real, everyone could be real, this changes everything, and nothing" (something like that). Everyone seems to think Cole referes to quizzy, but what if that "you are real" refers to Cole himself? He is a spirit made "real" material being.

8) During the break up scene, Solas says to quizzy that she has "a marvelous and bright spirit" and "in another world, not this one". sounds very much what a spirit (or something we have never seen till now) would say?

 

If someone has an insight, I'll gladly listen!

[MayriyaNoori]

I'm in for Abelas as a LI for DA4 too! and thanks all for not spoiling this last DLC! (my hand is itching to google what has been datamined, but I will be strong! I want it to hit me as it comes when I play it!)

Since you are talking/theorizing about the nature of Elvhens, I leave these thoughts here that i'm trying to connect but failing to do so

 

1) After Tom, when you speak to Solas, he says that the 'creators' as Dalish call them were not gods, but powerful mages or spirits or something we have never seen before (I'm betting on the latter one)

2) During Cole's mission, Solas says one cannot change his nature by simply wishing it, and immediately averts his look from Varric, looking at quizzy (or maybe not looking at her, but recalling/remembering something that contradicts what just said?)

3) If you make Cole more human he says in a banter that he never expected to see it (spirit made human), and Cole says "when did you see it again?" which he of course denies, saying that Cole misheard his thoughts (maybe they are powerful spirits that changed their nature? or maybe that how they lost their immortality?)

4) If you meet Kieran as an elf, he says "your blood is very old [..] why do you want to look like this?" (ehmm meaning I could look like something else if i wanted?)

5) During ToM, when Abelas says to Solas "Elvhen such as you?" I get the feeling that he knows who Solas really is, there is a slight bitterness in his voice when he says so (or that how it sounded to me ).

6) Again during ToM, when you first meet the sentinels and talk to them, Solas watches the conversation by looking at quizzy and Abelas when they are talking. But when quizzy asks him to say something to convince them, he answers some sorts of "why would they listen to me?" and for the rest of the convo he looks at the floor, remembering (?) and being sad.

7) There is a banter between Solas and Cole, where Cole says "you are real, everyone could be real, this changes everything, and nothing" (something like that). Everyone seems to think Cole referes to quizzy, but what if that "you are real" refers to Cole himself? He is a spirit made "real" material being.

8) During the break up scene, Solas says to quizzy that she has "a marvelous and bright spirit" and "in another world, not this one". sounds very much what a spirit (or something we have never seen till now) would say?

 

If someone has an insight, I'll gladly listen!

This is all awesome stuff that I love to talk about.

 

Here are some of my thoughts on a couple of the things about some of these things.

 

1. I think the Pantheon was a mixture of all three. What I'm really curious to see is what are "things we have never seen. " Would be awesome if they explain that in this upcoming DLC>

 

4, I think Kieran is actually referring to the vallaslin here. We all know romanced Lavellans find out from Solas that the vallaslin were slave markings. Could be wrong, but it's just what I think.

 

5. I actually think thisis the moment that Abelas realizes Solas is an ancient elf like him. I know I am the minority on this, but I don't think ABelas recognizes Solas at all until that exact exchange. The main reason I feel this way is just based on the Abelas' demeanor following that exchange. He relaxes a lot after Solas' reply of "Yes, elvhen such as I." Once again, could be wrong. Only time will tell on this one.

 

Everything else I'm just sitting around waiting for more light on the subject.

 

Soon. Tuesday.

 

Answers......hopefully.

[Abelis]

This is all awesome stuff that I love to talk about.

 

Here are some of my thoughts on a couple of the things about some of these things.

 

1. I think the Pantheon was a mixture of all three. What I'm really curious to see is what are "things we have never seen. " Would be awesome if they explain that in this upcoming DLC>

 

4, I think Kieran is actually referring to the vallaslin here. We all know romanced Lavellans find out from Solas that the vallaslin were slave markings. Could be wrong, but it's just what I think.

 

5. I actually think thisis the moment that Abelas realizes Solas is an ancient elf like him. I know I am the minority on this, but I don't think ABelas recognizes Solas at all until that exact exchange. The main reason I feel this way is just based on the Abelas' demeanor following that exchange. He relaxes a lot after Solas' reply of "Yes, elvhen such as I." Once again, could be wrong. Only time will tell on this one.

 

Everything else I'm just sitting around waiting for more light on the subject.

 

Soon. Tuesday.

 

Answers......hopefully.

 

Yes I'm eager for answers too, although I dont want everything explained I like this mystery, and the puzzle pieces we are trying to connect, if there is to be a DA4, there should be some mystery left for that

 

About 4) I dont think its about the vallaslin, because he says to a qunari quizzy "your blood doeas not belong to your people" so Im guessing he is referring to the origins of the race probably (qunari having dragonblood maybe, if what Iron Bull says stands true)

[kimgoold]

Partners in loony It made perfect sense. I'm one of these people who knows what they want to say but it always sounds wrong. Your writing is eloquent and your points were ones that I felt, but couldn't find the right words to express. Plus, I'll be honest here... I've been on the defensive on this thread for a long time. It's really nice to have new people, new perspective, new everything. I love SilentShadows to death but we've been holding down the fort for too long by ourselves. LOL (Does that even make sense?)

 

Hmmm that's a really excellent observation. I wonder if perhaps a spirit inhabited a wolf and it evolved over time? And you worried about sounding loony I do know that when you do the quest in the Hinterlands with the possessed wolves you get positive points from Solas after you complete it. No doubt he has an affinity for wolves but maybe it goes deeper? I'm giggling at the PR efforts comment. Makes me think of the Elvhen gods as rock stars more than gods. Probably not too far from the truth. I can only imagine how their devotees acted when they made an appearance from the Fade.

 

I always wondered about that. If he had known it was Fen'Harel why would Abelas not drop to his knees? I assume any god, not just Mythal, would elicit that reaction in an ancient elf. Maybe not but now I wonder! The weird thing about Solas is that I get this 'I was almost a god' vibe from his place in the pantheon at times or that he was raised to the rank by Mythal. I wonder if Abelas sensed that Solas was Elvhen once they were closer together. I wonder if the Elvhen see more than just the physical world. Some people have said that Solas's words to Abelas actually mean something different that what he claims he said. What do you think?

 

I still have my weirdo theory going about Morrigan and Abelas being father and daughter. The eye color bothers me but it's probably nothing. I agree. If Abelas had known who Morrigan was he would have kept her there. Maybe he is the one who told Flemeth that Morrigan was with the Inquisitor without even knowing he was doing it. I do have this strange feeling that Flemeth felt it was a win/win situation regardless of who got the well in that scenario. I think she knew. I also think she could have prevented Cory from getting it if everyone else failed.

 

Ah I do love the lore. I think it has been hinted we are going to get tons of it and I really am looking forward to that! 

 

I love the thought of Solas being a former slave raised to Semi-God, and thats how he knows how to remove Vallaslin, this could be why Abelas did not abase himself when he recognised Fen'Harel.