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[Babelas]

I know people are going to think I'm crazy lolol. I mean I haven't worked out a complete theory. I just noticed it. No I haven't heard that! Oooo send me a link please.

[Alchemillia]

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This is only a bit of it. I am trying to find the one with the rest of the um...stuff.

Correction I believe this is all in the Temple anyway. there is another one with the inq talking to mythal not relevant to this. But I don't trust that persons whisper mastery. I think instead of saying :

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"go to him dirth"

its "go to the dirth". as in the dales?

omg  and "she speaks the calling" and "he's bound to the same" is so freaking creepy. I love it.

[Babelas]

Awww it's our bae on the front!

[Tielis]

Awww it's our bae on the front!

 

Dying.  D:

 

Oh wait, no...  passing out.

 

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And why would Flemythal save the Grey Wardens if she controls the Blight?  Why even save Hawke?  Unless what you are saying is that the Chantry had it right all along, but it wasn't the Maker who punished them, it was Mythal.  But why?  To protect her kin imprisoned there?  That would make sense considering Morrigan's ritual.

[Alchemillia]

Dying.  D:

 

Oh wait, no...  passing out.

 

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And why would Flemythal save the Grey Wardens if she controls the Blight?  Why even save Hawke?

They were just pawns in her game maybe? She saw their strength knew they would become great and influential in the world and ya know had them do stuff to help set her own plans in motion. Which leads me back to that thing i was telling babelas about which now i am really gonna need to write. eeeffff.

[Tielis]

So I just read something Maia wrote in the Solas thread about the knee faces on the sentinel armor.  What if that armor is spirit-imbued like the KE's Spirit Blade?

 

Cue Alistair:  "Creepy."

[Babelas]

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Because she needs a stable world for Solas to carry out his plans? It's a guess. Or... as Flemeth says in DAO even she would be killed by the darkspawn eventually. They are a threat to her just like everyone else. Plus she wanted the old god soul. Hawke ensured her safety by carrying the amulet. She needed someone to take a piece of her to Sundermount in case she was slain by the Warden. Flemeth is always one step ahead of the game. 

 

Something interesting.. I was listening to that recording and I noticed it mentions the lost... but to me it sounds like the lost city which would be Barindur. Why is Barindur important? Solas mentions that city too. It all goes back to Dumat: Corypheus, one of the first darkspawn, claims that Dumat promised him and the other magisters the Golden City.

 

I'm trying to piece some things together now. 

 

[maia0407]

So I just read something Maia wrote in the Solas thread about the knee faces on the sentinel armor.  What if that armor is spirit-imbued like the KE's Spirit Blade?
 
Cue Alistair:  "Creepy."

Lol, I know, right! Not a fan of the knee faces!

[Tielis]

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Because she needs a stable world for Solas to carry out his plans? It's a guess. Or... as Flemeth says in DAO even she would be killed by the darkspawn eventually. They are a threat to her just like everyone else. Plus she wanted the old god soul. Hawke ensured her safety by carrying the amulet. She needed someone to take a piece of her to Sundermount in case she was slain by the Warden. Flemeth is always one step ahead of the game. 

 

Something interesting.. I was listening to that recording and I noticed it mentions the lost... but to me it sounds like the lost city which would be Barindur. Why is Barindur important? Solas mentions that city too. It all goes back to Dumat: Corypheus, one of the first darkspawn, claims that Dumat promised him and the other magisters the Golden City.

 

I'm trying to piece some things together now. 

 

 

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Barindur is basically Thedas' version of Pompeii, right?  Which could have been Elgar'nan's doing, I suppose.  And I still believe that Elgar'nan and Dumat are the same entity, one of them whispering from prison.  Also the Maker's symbol is the sun, just like Elgar'nan's.  But that could just be more human stupidity.

[Babelas]

I think that Mythal got herself connected to something that she couldn't stop because she was murdered. I'm starting to think Dumat was an actual thing and went up again the Elvhen pantheon and I'm really starting to think that world betrayed line has something to do with Dumat. But it's all crazy theories. However, I do believe that leafless tree is representative of Mythal in the DAO trailer. 

[Babelas]

Yep Barindur is one of Solas's Fade stories though... I suspect he was there. Cheeky b*stard. But I mean it was an actual city and it's all tied to Corypheus and Dumat. I thought I was crazy until I noticed Barindur starts to tie in Cory to the whole thing. Then we have Flemeth taking an old god soul. Hmmm it's like I think I'm close to something... ugggggg this is worse than that million piece jigsaw I got for Christmas one year. 

 

The knee faces need to go. But I saw someone draw a smiley face on them. Was too cute. 

[Alchemillia]

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Because she needs a stable world for Solas to carry out his plans? It's a guess. Or... as Flemeth says in DAO even she would be killed by the darkspawn eventually. They are a threat to her just like everyone else. Plus she wanted the old god soul. Hawke ensured her safety by carrying the amulet. She needed someone to take a piece of her to Sundermount in case she was slain by the Warden. Flemeth is always one step ahead of the game. 

 

Something interesting.. I was listening to that recording and I noticed it mentions the lost... but to me it sounds like the lost city which would be Barindur. Why is Barindur important? Solas mentions that city too. It all goes back to Dumat: Corypheus, one of the first darkspawn, claims that Dumat promised him and the other magisters the Golden City.

 

I'm trying to piece some things together now. 

 

lost city yes...and perhaps forgotten...

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gods? Anaris could be Dumat. They could need to bring back the forgotten ones to help take down the Evanuris?

 

and to keep with the threads purpose do you ever just want to dip big old sad Abelas in a vat of honey and just nom nom nom? Agree? Disagree? Opinions? lmao :3

[Babelas]

lost city yes...and perhaps forgotten...

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gods? Anaris could be Dumat. They could need to bring back the forgotten ones to help take down the Evanuris?

 

and to keep with the threads purpose do you ever just want to dip big old sad Abelas in a vat of honey and just nom nom nom? Agree? Disagree? Opinions? lmao :3

OMG I love you  I'm laughing my head off.

[Alchemillia]

OMG I love you  I'm laughing my head off.

http://giphy.com/gifs/11d4XJQ1Oo2Ik8

 

ILU2! 

[Babelas]

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So let's say the golden city was the seat of Elgar'nan, maybe the whole pantheon. Is the sun the symbol for the Maker Tielis? I think you said it was. So the golden city was the Elvhen gods realm. I remember reading that the Elvhen gods appeared on occasion so they weren't just hanging around in temples. You have to wonder how much of the actual slavery and pomposity was more of a product of Elvhen nobility as opposed to the gods. Anyway, Dumat decides he is going to overtake it. We know humans had a keen interest in the Elvhen. What if they thought taking over the city would make them gods like the gods the Elvhen worshipped? I know the humans didn't get the memo from Solas that gods aren't really gods but imagine if you were human and you saw all of this splendor dedicated to this pantheon? You'd want a piece of that. So maybe the Old Gods like Dumat are basically humans that modeled themselves after the Elvhen gods, who could turn into high dragons. They are the human equivalent of the pantheon. They start thinking so high of themselves they decide they are going to take the city of the gods. You know... I've heard this story before It's in the Silmarillion. I just realized. OMG... that's it. I got it I got it I got it!!!!! Maybe

 

[Alchemillia]

Oh that is even better! *high five*

[Alchemillia]

And now I must take my leave, ir abelas! So much to do! Have a nice time with your Elven brain puzzles and your honey! G'night! 

[Babelas]

Numenoreans.... I think the first magisters were the equivalent. Maybe not long lived but there are so many similarities. These men started wanting what the elves had in Valinor and they decided to invade the land of the gods to try and take it. They were punished. Barindur sounded so much like Barad-dur that I couldn't help but go there. It's not the same exact story but I have to wonder...

 

Night! I'll take my crazy away too. Sleep well everyone!

[Tielis]

Man, all I can think of is the Golden City was made of honey.  

[Brass_Buckles]

Just going to point out something here: Mythal is not the only Evanuris represented by a tree. There is also Falon'din. A tree with no leaves suits him perhaps even better. And we know he was trapped within the Fade (maybe returned to spirit state?).

Not sure what it may mean in terms of darkspawn, but I think Dirthamen could have spearheaded the strike vs. Mythal out of vengeance for Falon'din. The alternative would be that Dirthamen's disappearance is part of what caused Mythal to act and thus be murdered, but that seems less likely.

[Alchemillia]

Man, all I can think of is the Golden City was made of honey.  

 

 

 

I am

 

So

 

SO

 

Very

 

very

 

Sorry!

 

 

(I couldn't help myself. Please don't feed me to a dragon!)

 

EDIT: I blame SilentShadows for putting the idea of Abelas and honey in my poor mind. I'll never be the same again. Thank you. 

Also tumblr made some of the gifs not so gify how do I even fix that ahhh! Still. HONEY!   

[Sable Rhapsody]

https://www.tumblr.c...ssgoldenchariot

(I couldn't help myself. Please don't feed me to a dragon!)

 

*rages uselessly against like limit*

 

[Vorathrad]

Sorry posting from cell sucks.

[Vorathrad]

Hi dear thigh worshippers, I'm having the crappiest day at work but I was reading you during lunch time and now I feel a bit better ♡

I think the knee faces are a very very poor design choice and I hope Abelas first decision as a free sentinel is killing them with fire And take a honey bath afterwards.

Babelas, you.definitely are onto something. And the Silmarillion connection, brilliant! I love that book, but it's sooooo long since I read it. I must read it again.

Only thing is, Corypheus claims the Black City was already corrupted when the magisters entered. So I think a possible timeline would be:

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Mythal goes to the Deep Roads to mine lyrium, she severs the dwarves from the titan > Andruil hunts and kills it (or was it Mythal? Ugh my negative codex memory) > The blight is created from the death Titan > the blight somehow reaches the golden city and corrupts it > Mythal is murdered and Solas creates the Fade to imprison the Evanuris and the blight > meanwhile human Evanurs equivalents i.e. Old Gods were plotting to invade the Golden City and manage.manage to do it when it's already blighted.

I know, it's a very raw and kind of crappy theory.

[Babelas]

Just going to point out something here: Mythal is not the only Evanuris represented by a tree. There is also Falon'din. A tree with no leaves suits him perhaps even better. And we know he was trapped within the Fade (maybe returned to spirit state?).

Not sure what it may mean in terms of darkspawn, but I think Dirthamen could have spearheaded the strike vs. Mythal out of vengeance for Falon'din. The alternative would be that Dirthamen's disappearance is part of what caused Mythal to act and thus be murdered, but that seems less likely.

 

 

You mean for Flemeth's grimoire or for the DAO intro?

 

What other god uses a leafless many branched tree and has a connection to the Blight? 

 

From what I've seen in the game thus far, I do not believe the Elvhen pantheon is going to reappear. I think more of their story may come out. But it felt like they were getting downplayed. Even if they are freed, I don't know we will ever see them. It seems like one of those things that would take a ton of resources and they already have two of the gods very well fleshed out. It's more likely we will get story background instead. I know there is a popular Elvhen god movement out there but I'd be surprised and not unhappy if they showed up but I don't see it happening in game.

 

Flemythal seems to have been planned out from the beginning which would make sense. The character is at the center of the lore. Why would Flemeth own a book with another god's symbol? It's either an insane coincidence or just luck they happen to pick something they could use again. And I don't think so because they have been hinting at her identity from the beginning.

 

The DAO trailer is referencing the Blight. We know Flemeth speaks the calling. Either it is a huge coincidence there is a leafless tree and then magisters getting punished and dragon heads or it was for dramatic effect. We know Flemeth mentions the music, like Sandal, like Cole, like anyone in contact with corrupted lyrium or darkspawn. It seems to be pointing to the connection. Many times when I have heard Flemeth go on about the music and that as long as it plays she continues to dance, I felt she was mentioning a curse of some sort. Maybe the Blight, maybe her connection to it. 

 

 

 

 

 

1. In DA2 the shrine in Sundermount is Mythal's shrine

2. Flemeth can turn into a dragon starting in DAO. We know why.

3. That tree in DAO goes from leafy to dead and I suspect it represents Mythal's murder. 

4. Flemeth hints heavily to Merrill about what she is beyond her title.

5. We know Flemeth is long lived in DAO and we know she has been betrayed. (she was betrayed as I was betrayed I take it to mean Elgar'nan in Mythal's case. It would connect the two women nicely.)

6. Why use a freakin tree to symbolize the blackening of the golden city?

 

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Solas is upset about the wardens and their plan to kill archdemons. He says it might make it worse. I think he means it would make it worse for Mythal. I think she is the reason Thedas has Blights. Perhaps she set something in motion and couldn't reverse it because she was murdered or perhaps her murder freed the Blight from the Void. Thank you Andruil for that one.

 

Anyway, it's all fun to poke daggers in the dark and drive the forum insane. On an Abelas related note.... he'd know the answers to this. Ahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!