Do you believe NPD?
Being german I have to say: No, not one bit. They are all racists, liars, and overall failures in life ... But then NPD in german stands for something completely different: National Partei Deutschlands.
And yes, this is a foul attempt to derail the thread with useless information. Thank you, goodnight, and good luck.
Where are the moderators when we need them?
It's 6:30am mountain time. Give them about an hour or two get to work and get their coffee in their system. 
That said, if the sales were that great they'd be in the chart and we'd be hearing about it. I take the 'it's selling great!' with a pinch of salt - 'great' could mean anything and no dev ever says 'our game is selling badly' anyway.
They were never gonna make that chart in 12 days against that kind of competition and if they do release numbers anytime soon it will be post Christmas after the stores put everything on sale.
Being german I have to say: No, not one bit. They are all racists, liars, and overall failures in life ... But then NPD in german stands for something completely different: National Partei Deutschlands.
And yes, this is a foul attempt to derail the thread with useless information. Thank you, goodnight, and good luck.
They sound similar to the National Party in Australia.
What part of "NPD only covers American sales" and "didn't include digital sales" do people not understand?!
On average, the American market covers about 35% of worldwide game sales (maybe 40% in some games). The exception being sports games, which are catered to specific sports (Madden doesn't sell as well in Europe).
What part of "NPD only covers American sales" and "didn't include digital sales" do people not understand?!
On average, the American market covers about 35% of worldwide game sales (maybe 40% in some games). The exception being sports games, which are catered to specific sports (Madden doesn't sell as well in Europe).
Some people are completely intent on being doom and gloom. They'll consistently ignore facts like those and pretend they don't exist.
They were never gonna make that chart in 12 days against that kind of competition and if they do release numbers anytime soon it will be post Christmas after the stores put everything on sale.
A new TES / Fallout game makes the top half of that table without breaking a sweat imo. That's the kind of company Bioware games should be keeping.
And that's what they're striving for. To create a franchise that will be able to last decades. The DA franchise almost 6 years old at this point, and that's another point that keeps getting lost on some of the posters.
Some of you guys are underestimating the power of some of these long running franchises. The first TES game came out in 1994. The first Fallout game came out in 1997. Only time will tell if the DA games will have the same sticking power. I think it will, but this is so subjective that I'm not interested in debating with those that might disagree. It's not because I have a lack of respect for those that believe that DA games won't last that long. It's because I can understand both sides of that stance, and why some folks are finding a few reasons to be concerned. I still think it's too early to tell in any case.
I'll talk to you guys about this more in 2019, when Origins hits a decade, and we'll see if the DA games are going strong by then. If so, awesome. If not, well, it wouldn't be the first time a company strayed so far away from what I liked as a gamer that I stopped playing their games. I'd be disappointed if that was the case, but I wouldn't be too angry.
people are crazy to say that DA should and is expected to sell COD and GTA numbers. Even with all DA and ME games combined, i doubt it is close to the sales figure of GTA V. expecting a game that its previous installment has been universally penned to sell Skyrim numbers is ridiculous as well. The reason for the long development time of DAI is because both BW and EA do not want to make the same mistakes as DA2 (aka destroying the good name of a new successful franchise by rushing) so they are overcompensating in DAI by making it so big. Part of it is to win back old fans (esp after ME3 failed so miserably as well). I am quite sure their expectation was low and this game is to win back fans.
DAI is doing good on its own merits and the standards set by EA. It has definitely won me completely over and I will continue to buy all future games by BW.
haters back off.
What part of "NPD only covers American sales" and "didn't include digital sales" do people not understand?!
On average, the American market covers about 35% of worldwide game sales (maybe 40% in some games). The exception being sports games, which are catered to specific sports (Madden doesn't sell as well in Europe).
Again. The game had significant competition. However, I'd be very surprised if it didn't break what DA2 did. And I can confidently say at this point that there will be a sequel.
And that's what they're striving for. To create a franchise that will be able to last decades. The DA franchise almost 6 years old at this point, and that's another point that keeps getting lost on some of the posters.
Some of you guys are underestimating the power of some of these long running franchises. The first TES game came out in 1994. The first Fallout game came out in 1997. Only time will tell if the DA games will have the same sticking power. I think it will, but this is so subjective that I'm not interested in debating with those that might disagree. It's not because I have a lack of respect for those that believe that DA games won't last that long. It's because I can understand both sides of that stance, and why some folks are finding a few reasons to be concerned. I still think it's too early to tell in any case.
I'll talk to you guys about this more in 2019, when Origins hits a decade, and we'll see if the DA games are going strong by then. If so, awesome. If not, well, it wouldn't be the first time a company strayed so far away from what I liked as a gamer that I stopped playing their games. I'd be disappointed if that was the case, but I wouldn't be too angry.
Bioware will continue making rpg's for a long time, it will take alot for EA to shut it down or anything similar. Look at Dead Space, it is a great franchise, but it didn't sell insanely well. Still it had decent critics, a good team behind it and they got a trilogy out. At this moment Bioware got Swtor, Mass Effect 4(other title), DA:I just out, a new franchise we've yet to hear alot about? Seems like the studio is going strong. Why worry?.
I don't know that Dead Space is exactly the franchise I'd want to be looking up to if I was the DA team, since it seems like Dead Space as a franchise is probably dead in the water after the lackluster 3rd game.
Again, it all comes down to the game matching whatever internal expectations EA has set for it. Not even the sales of the base game but whatever expectations EA has set for the revenue generated by the MP as well.
I don't think the franchise is going anywhere but I do worry about where its headed. Stuff like the MP being sort of shoved in ( and the main menu of Inquisition now desperately trying to get people to play MP) and some of the cheap MMO design decisions of Inquisition make me worry where they go from here. I think Laidlaw even mentioned in some interview a while back they'd be looking at more online Dragon Age stuff, which at least for me, is the very last thing I care about for the franchise. I just get concerned that because the game generally gets positive critical praise, they might try and launch off in some new direction, despite Inquisition having some pretty major, fundamental design flaws, IMO.
people are crazy to say that DA should and is expected to sell COD and GTA numbers.
Dragon Age: Inquisition Skyrim is not a coincidence if you ask me.
The reason for the long development time of DAI is because both BW and EA do not want to make the same mistakes as DA2 (aka destroying the good name of a new successful franchise by rushing) so they are overcompensating in DAI by making it so big.
They went from recycled areas in DA2 to huge areas bloated with filler content. And they completely butchered the combat system while they were at it. What an improvement. 
Part of it is to win back old fans (esp after ME3 failed so miserably as well). I am quite sure their expectation was low and this game is to win back fans.
I don't think EA cares much about Bioware's former fan base. After playing DA:I it is quite obvious that they want the Skyrim and Assassin's Creed fans to buy this game.
Dragon Age: Origins made the NPD top 10 in November 2009. These numbers are without PC sales and the platforms are not combined. And to be fair, DA:O went on sale on the 3rd, DA:I on the 17th.
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In a best case scenaro DA:I is only selling slightly better than DA:O, although EA butchered the franchise to make it more accessible and subsequently push sales. Kind of funny when you think about it.
Verdict:
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I haven't bought Inquisition because I want the CD and there is no store in my country that sells the game 
... (I can download it but as I have said, I want the CD)
Look at the games on top.
Call of Duty. Pokémon. Halo. AssCreed. Far Cry. GTA. EA Sports franchises. What you have here are among the most popular franchises in, well, history. Unless an RPG pulls off Skyrim-like numbers, it's simply not going to beat those.
Did you notice how this list broke it down by platform? And how the list you're using now combined multiplatform realeases under one title? That literally makes them incomparable.
As funny as it is to see someone fall this flat on their face it makes for terrible conversations.
I see your sarcasm/rhetoric radar needs work. If you need me to be less flippant about it here's the translation:He pointed that difference out himself.
Would you like a hand up?
Look at the games on top.
Call of Duty. Pokémon. Halo. AssCreed. Far Cry. GTA. EA Sports franchises. What you have here are among the most popular franchises in, well, history. Unless an RPG pulls off Skyrim-like numbers, it's simply not going to beat those.
A Halo re-release selling to one platform of ~8m users vs. Inq on 5 platforms with a combined install base of about a zillion. It was far from impossible that Inquisition could potentially have made it on to this chart.
You wouldn't need Skyrim numbers to make that chart. Not even close.
I see your sarcasm/rhetoric radar needs work. If you need me to be less flippant about it here's the translation:
"The fact that you recognise that the NPD data you are using doesn't combine multi-platform releases should lead you conclude that you can't use the list as a comparison. This is because, at minimum, there could be other games below DAO that outsold it out of the top 10. Similarly, the multi-platform releases in the current NPD list aren't all PC releases. So DAI could have outsold e.g. the Wii U and 3DS SSB when you factor in PC sales and be top 5, but we wouldn't know it."
Have I met your high bar for cogency now?
Sorry for wrecking your "gotcha!" moment. You can try again though.
I don't think I'd want to get into a battle of wits with you. It would be akin to bringing a knife to a gunfight.
I see your sarcasm/rhetoric radar needs work. If you need me to be less flippant about it here's the translation:
"The fact that you recognise that the NPD data you are using doesn't combine multi-platform releases should lead you conclude that you can't use the list as a comparison. This is because, at minimum, there could be other games below DAO that outsold it out of the top 10. Similarly, the multi-platform releases in the current NPD list aren't all PC releases. So DAI could have outsold e.g. the Wii U and 3DS SSB when you factor in PC sales and be top 5, but we wouldn't know it."
Have I met your high bar for cogency now?
Sorry for wrecking your "gotcha!" moment. You can try again though.
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