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[dlux]

Did you notice how this list broke it down by platform? And how the list you're using now combined multiplatform realeases under one title? That literally makes them incomparable.

As funny as it is to see someone fall this flat on their face it makes for terrible conversations.

Uh, no. If you combine platforms DA:O moves up even higher in the top ten, because it surpasses games released on a single console (Wii & NDS). Duh.
Is DA:I in the top 10 list for November 2014 even though all platforms are combined? No it isn't. Double duh.
 
Too bad you couldn't figure that out yourself. I even hinted at that in my original post, but I guess it was a mistake to think that everybody would be able to figure that out themselves. 
 
Verdict of your post (and likes of): The "hold right trigger to win" crowd strikes again. xD

[In Exile]

You don't need me to embarass you further, you did a perfectly good job of that yourself.

I have no idea how you think this change in structure would disadvantage Inquisition though. It used to be on a per platform basis and now it gets to combine its multiplat sales vs some games on only a single platform. If anything it should now be comparatively much be easier for a multiplat game like Inquisition to chart.

 

It's not about disadvantaging or advantaging Inquisition. We can't know how it fits on a multiplatform release list without knowing the total numbers sold across all platforms. If somehow it's a disaster that a 3DS-only or a 3DS and Wii U game outsold DA:I, then we need to compare the full sales figures of DA:I. 

 

If we use the old DA:O list, then we see it sold a comparable pittance to games like COD and AC. COD on 360 alone sold 13 or so times what DA:O sold. A rank order by multiple platforms when the platforms aren't all the same is statistical gibberish, and trying to thump your chest one way or another is pointless. 

 

That is my point, and there's nothing embarrassing about it. I get that you want to prove that the game failed, but use actual data for it. Not gibberish. 

[In Exile]

Uh, no. If you combine platforms DA:O moves up even higher in the top ten, because it surpasses games released on a single console (Wii & NDS). Duh.
Is DA:I in the top 10 list for November 2014 even though all platforms are combined? No it isn't. Double duh.
 
Too bad you couldn't figure that out yourself. I even hinted at that in my original post, but I guess it was a mistake to think that everybody would be able to figure that out themselves. 
 
Verdict of your post (and likes of): The "hold right trigger to win" crowd strikes again. xD

 

Is this actually a joke? DA:I is missing one major platform: PC. We know it sold 600k based on the neogaf link. We know SSB is in the top 5 and sold 700 K. We have no idea what the sales of DAI were on PC. We do know that SSB sales are fixed at 700k. DA:I could be anywhere from not on the list to one of the top selling games.

 

As for DA:O, we have the PS3 sales. We know it was 15 and we know that Mario Kart sold 315. Even if we assume that DA:O sold 300 K on PS3, that wouldn't even have it equal Wii Fit. And we still wouldn't know what it sold because we don't have data on it. 

 

Look at the numbers. The only thing that's embarrassing here is you inability to look at a graph. 

[Epyon5757]

Is this actually a joke? DA:I is missing one major platform: PC. We know it sold 600k based on the neogaf link. We know SSB is in the top 5 and sold 700 K. We have no idea what the sales of DAI were on PC. We do know that SSB sales are fixed at 700k. DA:I could be anywhere from not on the list to one of the top selling games.

 

As for DA:O, we have the PS3 sales. We know it was 15 and we know that Mario Kart sold 315. Even if we assume that DA:O sold 300 K on PS3, that wouldn't even have it equal Wii Fit. And we still wouldn't know what it sold because we don't have data on it. 

 

Look at the numbers. The only thing that's embarrassing here is you inability to look at a graph. 

 

What we do NOT know is far more relevant than what we do know at this point.  We KNOW that NPD relies heavily on estimates for some platforms rather than hard numbers.  We also KNOW that NPD covers just American sales.

 

Here is what we do NOT know: digital sales on all platforms.  Estimates for the rest of the world.  Exact totals of physical copies moved for the entire world.  Future sales in the crucial 90 day metric.

 

BioWare states the game is doing better than expected.  The sources i have indicate that the number of expected copies to sell was underestimated by the retail buyers, leaving them scrambling to get more copies to a majority of locations because they're shorthanded.

 

As always, what we do not know overweighs and, to a large extent invalidates, what we think we know.

[dlux]

Is this actually a joke? DA:I is missing one major platform: PC. We know it sold 600k based on the neogaf link. We know SSB is in the top 5 and sold 700 K. We have no idea what the sales of DAI were on PC. We do know that SSB sales are fixed at 700k. DA:I could be anywhere from not on the list to one of the top selling games.

The source says that PC numbers are included, so they are included.

There are no numbers from a reliable source (NPD or EA) that say that DA:I sold 600K copies. If that have just been released, then feel free to post a link.
 

As for DA:O, we have the PS3 sales. We know it was 15 and we know that Mario Kart sold 315. Even if we assume that DA:O sold 300 K on PS3, that wouldn't even have it equal Wii Fit. And we still wouldn't know what it sold because we don't have data on it. 
 
Look at the numbers. The only thing that's embarrassing here is you inability to look at a graph.

Oh boy...

Try this: (1) Combine the numbers for CoD, (2) combine the numbers for Assassin's Creed, (3) combine the numbers for DA:O... DA:O moves up from place 9 to at least place 7 on the chart.
Why? BECAUSE THE NUMBERS FOR NINTENDO'S WII AND NDS GAMES DON'T CHANGE, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT MULTIPLATFORM GAMES. <- Please don't make me repeat that again.

Dude, this isn't rocket science.

[DariusDrannen]

Did EA even advertise this game in television commercials?  I don't recall seeing even a single DA commercial.  Compare that to the CoD, Assassin's Creed, GTA, and Halo, for instance, which I've seen numerous times advertised on TV.

 

IMO, there wasn't the hype among "non-fans" that those other games had.

[tself55]

The source says that PC numbers are included, so they are included.

There are no numbers from a reliable source (NPD or EA) that say that DA:I sold 600K copies. If that have just been released, then feel free to post a link.
 
Oh boy...

Try this: (1) Combine the numbers for CoD, (2) combine the numbers for Assassin's Creed, (3) combine the numbers for DA:O... DA:O moves up from place 9 to at least place 7 on the chart.
Why? BECAUSE THE NUMBERS FOR WII AND NDS GAMES DON'T CHANGE, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT MULTIPLATFORM GAMES. <- Please don't make me repeat that again.

Dude, this isn't rocket science.

 You are wrong, the source says that BRICK AND MORTAR PC SALES are included. It has been proven that in the past few years (aka the rise of steam) that PC sales are now 95+% NOT BRICK AND MORTAR. Therefore at most 5-10% of pc sales are icluded

[dlux]

You are wrong, the source says that BRICK AND MORTAR PC SALES are included. It has been proven that in the past few years (aka the rise of steam) that PC sales are now 95+% NOT BRICK AND MORTAR. Therefore at most 5-10% of pc sales are icluded

Yes, these are non-digital numbers. Are the PC versions of e.g. Assassin's Creed Unity and NBA 2K15 (on the bottom of the list) not sold digitally or something?

[Epyon5757]

Did EA even advertise this game in television commercials?  I don't recall seeing even a single DA commercial.  Compare that to the CoD, Assassin's Creed, GTA, and Halo, for instance, which I've seen numerous times advertised on TV.

 

IMO, there wasn't the hype among "non-fans" that those other games had.

 

BioWare tried to go more with a social media campaign as opposed to the more expensive TV ads.  This game is about re-establishing the DA franchise as a good series, and while (outside of the recycled levels and the weird enemy spawns) I enjoyed DA2, they're very lucky DA didn't get the plug pulled after it given the heavy criticism it received.

 

Combine the wait and see approach many gamers took with the crowded release date, and this thread is what happens when some people think the only thing that matters is chart position.

[In Exile]

Oh boy...

Try this: (1) Combine the numbers for CoD, (2) combine the numbers for Assassin's Creed, (3) combine the numbers for DA:O... DA:O moves up from place 9 to at least place 7 on the chart.
Why? BECAUSE THE NUMBERS FOR NINTENDO'S WII AND NDS GAMES DON'T CHANGE, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT MULTIPLATFORM GAMES. <- Please don't make me repeat that again.

Dude, this isn't rocket science.

 

This isn't complicated all, which is why I'm so perplexed to see you struggle with it.

 

The ranking on the list is irrelevant - it's units moved across all platforms that matters. No one is contesting DA:O is in the top 10. What we do see is that there is no mathematically possible way for DA:O to outsell WiiFit (because PS3 sales have to be less than or equal to 315k). With PC sales it could be anywhere on the list - even outselling left for dead in the top 5. 

 

A similar issue pertains to DA:I - the PC sales are unknown. The current NPD list doesn't even give sales numbers for games. We just don't know the sales numbers. So your conclusions are based on gibberish data. 

[X Equestris]

Did EA even advertise this game in television commercials?  I don't recall seeing even a single DA commercial.  Compare that to the CoD, Assassin's Creed, GTA, and Halo, for instance, which I've seen numerous times advertised on TV.
 
IMO, there wasn't the hype among "non-fans" that those other games had.

I remember hearing about a handful of commercials very close to the release. There's not much point in trying to advertise against the heavyweights you mentioned. You would just get drowned out.

[SomberXIII]

I was reading this thread while drinking Pepsi. Such a good time. If popcorn was here, it would be perfect. 

[keyip]

Is this STILL going on?

 

I think dlux must be the only person here who thinks Origins, which sold less than 500k in a month on consoles (in the US,) sold comparably to Inquisitions, which sold about 600k on consoles in the first week in the US.

 

My advice would be to give it up.

[dlux]

The ranking on the list is irrelevant - it's units moved across all platforms that matters. No one is contesting DA:O is in the top 10. What we do see is that there is no mathematically possible way for DA:O to outsell WiiFit (because PS3 sales have to be less than or equal to 315k).

I have already written that DA:O will move to at least spot 7 on the list BEHIND Wii Fit Plus at spot 5 if you combine platforms. With PC sales DA:O probably surpassed sales of Wii Fit Plus in November 2009.
 

With PC sales it could be anywhere on the list - even outselling left for dead in the top 5.

What? Seriously? Why are you first challenging what I wrote and now suddenly adopting it?
 
Your posts are so inconsistent it is baffling.
 

A similar issue pertains to DA:I - the PC sales are unknown. The current NPD list doesn't even give sales numbers for games. We just don't know the sales numbers. So your conclusions are based on gibberish data.

Platform combined DA:O has a high spot on NPD's top 10 list for November 2009, as you have also just admitted (see above).
 
Platform combined DA:I is not on NPD's top 10 list for November 2014.

Conclusion: In a best case scenario DA:I is only selling slightly or mildly better than DA:O did. We don't have enough numbers to come to a more accurate conclusion ATM.

[Vox Draco]

I think this is first bioware game that has sold poorly not even in top 10 of month it launched in...

 

So ether all games sales were digital or dragon age could be done.

 

The top 10 best-selling games for the month are:

1. Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare (360, Xbox One, PS4, PS3, PC)
2. Grand Theft Auto V (PS4, Xbox One, 360, PS3)
3. Super Smash Bros. (Wii U, 3DS)
4. Madden NFL 15 (360, Xbox One, PS4, PS3)
5. Pokemon Alpha Sapphire (3DS)
6. Far Cry 4 (PS4, Xbox One, 360, PS3, PC)
7. Pokemon Omega Ruby (3DS)
8. NBA 2K15 (PS4, 360, Xbox One, PS3, PC)
9. Assassin's Creed: Unity (PS4, Xbox One, PC)
10. Halo: The Master Chief Collection (Xbox One)

 

Alright, let's see if we can at least get the next Dragon Age No. 4: End of hope © into the charts

 

1. Kevin Spacey as himself is the badguy (actually not too bad an idea, I mean its friggin Kevin Spacey!)

 

2. More Gangsta's of Thedas, unnecessary violence against pedestrians, a magical radio for all mounts with current hits playing

 

3. Obviously we need cameos from other gaming-worlds ... "It's a me, Mario! I want to kill a dragon wit you! I jump on its head!"

 

4. Tough one, because who outside america actually cares? Also, the quintessential lesson learned here is: Just do the same as before!

 

5. Easy one..."Nug-Nug, activate Rift-tornado!" "NUG-NUG!" "Snoufleur, block it with Power-Barrier!" "SNOUFLEUR-SNOUFLEUR!"

 

6. Every map has some kind of ancient tower we have to climb to unveil the Fog of War. People seem to love this stuff

 

7.Even more SNOUFLEUR!!!! Now in pink and yellow too! Awesome!

 

8.Hmm...guess just look at Number 4. And have teh char-creator have us increase the height of the PC...above 2 m at least?

 

9. Easy again! Wanna loot the chest after beating the dragon? Visit our shop, only 9.99 € to open it!

 

10. Well, to make the poor loser in all ourselves feel more bada$$ ...Master-Warden! Master-Hero! Master-Master! I't sell on this Protagonist alone

 

Bioware, combine all of that and the charts are YOURS!!! (and maybe just forget about all this medieval setting-thing, just do it in New York, and have Eminem doing the soundtrack feat. Nicki Minaj! of course plus cameo-appearance ingame!!! AWESOME!)

 

Disclaimer: The person that has posted above hasn't actually played any of the games that are mocked, and obviously does not care about that. We are currently investigating legal actions. Thank you.

[keyip]

I have already written that DA:O will move to at least spot 7 on the list BEHIND Wii Fit Plus at spot 5 if you combine platforms. With PC sales DA:O probably surpassed sales of Wii Fit Plus in November 2009.

 

Why are you combining PC sales? NPD DOESN'T include PC sales because 92 percent (which is an actual figure released by PCR) of all PC games sold are digital. If you want to fiddle the numbers sure, just don't expect anybody to take them seriously.

 

Platform combined DA:O has a high spot on NPD's top 10 list for November 2009, as you have also just admitted (see above).

 
Platform combined DA:I is not on NPD's top 10 list for November 2014.

Conclusion: In a best case scenario DA:I is only selling slightly or mildly better than DA:O did.

 

Wrong. Firstly rankings do not equal sales, secondly DA:O was only on sale for a week and a half when those rankings came out, unlike Origins which were on sale for the entire month.

[Grieving Natashina]

Dang it, now I want Kevin Spacey as a bad guy in the next DA game.   That would actually be pretty awesome.  Thanks for planting that idea into my head, Vox.  

[wolfhowwl]

I have seen people on this forum complain we don't have enough communication from Bioware since the release, can you blame them?
 
Look at this thread which started with some one's worries about sale so a Bioware employee turned up stating that sales were going very well but 3 days and 13 pages later people are still predicting the death of Bioware. It must feel like they are banging their heads against a brick wall.
 
I'm also constantly surprised to see how many people are surprised Inquisition isn't outselling the games on that list.

Well we are on the BioWare forums so an exaggerated view of the significance of their games isn't that surprising. But yeah there are some heavy hitters on there, Far Cry and AssCreed are both sequels to games that did around ten million or more.

[keyip]

Well we are on the BioWare forums so an exaggerated view of the significance of their games isn't that surprising. But yeah there are some heavy hitters on there, Far Cry and AssCreed are both sequels to games that did around ten million or more.

 

People will latch onto anything in a desperate bid to prove Bioware's headed in the wrong direction. Never mind that we've had actual confirmation Inquisitions is selling much better than Origins, and never mind that every piece of analysis on the web points to the same conclusion.

[tself55]

Yes, these are non-digital numbers. Are the PC versions of e.g. Assassin's Creed Unity and NBA 2K15 (on the bottom of the list) not sold digitally or something?

So you're trying to tell me that people will buy PC copies of a sports game? Because i can tell you that DAI sold more digital copies than both of those titles put together without needing numbers, people seriously don't play those genres on PC over console.

[The Antagonist]

A Halo re-release selling to one platform of ~8m users vs. Inq on 5 platforms with a combined install base of about a zillion. It was far from impossible that Inquisition could potentially have made it on to this chart.

You wouldn't need Skyrim numbers to make that chart. Not even close.

this is a good point

[DemGeth]

So you're trying to tell me that people will buy PC copies of a sports game? Because i can tell you that DAI sold more digital copies than both of those titles put together without needing numbers, people seriously don't play those genres on PC over console.

2K would do well on pc but there's lag in the multi. Brillant game and such a shame.

Fifa and foot club manager both sell really well on the pc. As do racing games. So yes people do buy sports games on the pc.

[tself55]

2K would do well on pc but there's lag in the multi. Brillant game and such a shame.

Fifa and foot club manager both sell really well on the pc. As do racing games. So yes people do buy sports games on the pc.

Fifa 15 sold 30 thousand on PC out of its over 6 million total... Football Manager is a different beast altogether as thats not a sports game, but a sports simulation game (which i happen to like and play alot). Believe me the game just doesnt play well on a pc, sports need a controller.

[dlux]

Why are you combining PC sales? NPD DOESN'T include PC sales because 92 percent (which is an actual figure released by PCR) of all PC games sold are digital. If you want to fiddle the numbers sure, just don't expect anybody to take them seriously.

Because retail PC sales are included in NPDs November 2014 chart according to the source.
 

Wrong. Firstly rankings do not equal sales, secondly DA:O was only on sale for a week and a half when those rankings came out, unlike Origins which were on sale for the entire month.

Both Pokemon games on the list sold about 1.5 million according to the source. Lets be generous and say that Pokemon Omega Ruby (position 7) sold 750k copies. Retail sales of DA:I in the first 2 weeks are obviously substantially less than that because it didn't even make the 10th position.

I think my conclusion is reasonable.