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[In Exile]

I have already written that DA:O will move to at least spot 7 on the list BEHIND Wii Fit Plus at spot 5 if you combine platforms. With PC sales DA:O probably surpassed sales of Wii Fit Plus in November 2009.

What? Seriously? Why are you first challenging what I wrote and now suddenly adopting it?

Your posts are so inconsistent it is baffling.

Platform combined DA:O has a high spot on NPD's top 10 list for November 2009, as you have also just admitted (see above).

Platform combined DA:I is not on NPD's top 10 list for November 2014.

Conclusion: In a best case scenario DA:I is only selling slightly or mildly better than DA:O did. We don't have enough numbers to come to a more accurate conclusion ATM.

You're clearly confused. I'm not trying to tell you either that DAO did poorly or that DAI is doing well. That's a phantom argument you're having with someone who isn't me. What I'm telling you is that you can't draw the conclusions you think you can from the data.

Okay, now you have a cogent point: the DAO NPD list would have DAO in the combined top 10 without PC sales whereas DAI is not in the top 10 without PC sales. That's a (completely meaningless) inference that you can draw.

What you can't conclude is what that says about the sales, since DAO (again) sold at a sufficiently anemic rate to fall behind Wii Fit. DAO had weaker competitors - there's no gangbusters equivalent to Far Cry 4 or incredible handheld games like Pokemon. But let's somehow say that the difference in the market doesn't matter.

You say that DAO might surpass Wii Fit with PC sales. Probably. But we have 0 data on what DAI sold (with or without PC). We have 0 data on how close the top 10 list is right now. It could be in the top 10 - a more competitive top 10 with no knowledge of how much was sold of each game - or it couldn't me. And THAT is my point. That there's no real inference we can draw.

[Morroian]

Conclusion: In a best case scenario DA:I is only selling slightly or mildly better than DA:O did. We don't have enough numbers to come to a more accurate conclusion ATM.

 

Which has actually been confirmed by BW staff so what is the point?

[keyip]

Because retail PC sales are included in NPDs November 2014 chart according to the source.

 

But once more, not digital sales which account for 92% of all PC game sales in 2014. 

 

Both Pokemon games on the list sold about 1.5 million according to the source. Lets be generous and say that Pokemon Omega Ruby (position 7) sold 750k copies. Retail sales of DA:I in the first 2 weeks are obviously substantially less than that because it didn't even make the 10th position.

 

NPD tracking covers a 4 week period, so it was 1 and a half weeks of DA:I sales. Not 2.

 

Number 9 on the list for November 2014 (Assassins Creed Unity) was rumoured to have sold 700k in the US in its first week, so I reject your assumptions.

[DemGeth]

Fifa 15 sold 30 thousand on PC out of its over 6 million total... Football Manager is a different beast altogether as thats not a sports game, but a sports simulation game (which i happen to like and play alot). Believe me the game just doesnt play well on a pc, sports need a controller.

People dl fifa mate for the pc lol no one buys box it's not how u get the fifa points or whatever.

And most pc gamers own a controller it's 2014 mate 2006 is that away lol.

[tself55]

People dl fifa mate for the pc lol no one buys box it's not how u get the fifa points or whatever.

And most pc gamers own a controller it's 2014 mate 2006 is that away lol.

According to Forbes.com, PS4/XBONE account for 54% of FIFA 15 sales, PS3/XBOX360 for 45%, and PC for 1%

[Grieving Natashina]

People dl fifa mate for the pc lol no one buys box it's not how u get the fifa points or whatever.

And most pc gamers own a controller it's 2014 mate 2006 is that away lol.

Er, I'm a PC gamer and I use a gaming mouse.   I never use a controller for my computer, unless it's for one of my PSX or GBA games. 

[dlux]

You're clearly confused. I'm not trying to tell you either that DAO did poorly or that DAI is doing well. That's a phantom argument you're having with someone who isn't me. What I'm telling you is that you can't draw the conclusions you think you can from the data.

Maybe you should try to comment more consistently instead of starting your posts with cheap insults.
 

Okay, now you have a cogent point: the DAO NPD list would have DAO in the combined top 10 without PC sales whereas DAI is not in the top 10 without PC sales. That's a (completely meaningless) inference that you can draw.

What you can't conclude is what that says about the sales, since DAO (again) sold at a sufficiently anemic rate to fall behind Wii Fit. DAO had weaker competitors - there's no gangbusters equivalent to Far Cry 4 or incredible handheld games like Pokemon. But let's somehow say that the difference in the market doesn't matter.

You say that DAO might surpass Wii Fit with PC sales. Probably. But we have 0 data on what DAI sold (with or without PC). We have 0 data on how close the top 10 list is right now. It could be in the top 10 - a more competitive top 10 with no knowledge of how much was sold of each game - or it couldn't me. And THAT is my point. That there's no real inference we can draw.

If I didn't take into account that there are a lot of blockbusters in the November 2014 list, then DA:I would already be the biggest fail of the year, because that would mean that it presumably sold 350k retail copies in 2 weeks. I thought that was rather obvious, but I have to explain everything to you in great detail until you understand it for some reason.

Anyway, the Pokemon games sold 1.5 million copies according to the source, if we are generous then Pokemon Omega Ruby (position 7) sold 750K copies. Halo: TMCC (position 10) sold substantially less than that, let's be generous and say 600K copies. Retail sales of DA:I are substantially less than even that in according to NPD.

 

My conclusion is reasonable, in a best case scenario DA:I is only selling slightly or mildly better than DA:O did.

[Lebanese Dude]

Here's an idea!

Let's wait til comprehensive sales figures are released so we can actually discuss this topic properly with facts rather than scattered conjecture.

 

MIND-BLOWING I KNOW!!!!!111!!

[dlux]

But once more, not digital sales which account for 92% of all PC game sales in 2014.

And these 92% of PC digital sales account for which percentage of all sales. 25 percent?

Anyway, I don't think digital sales account for 92% of all PC AAA games sales, but feel free to post your source if you like.
 

NPD tracking covers a 4 week period, so it was 1 and a half weeks of DA:I sales. Not 2.
 
Number 9 on the list for November 2014 (Assassins Creed Unity) was rumoured to have sold 700k in the US in its first week, so I reject your assumptions.

Lets just say 13 days then, although it is about 2 weeks.

According to the source both Pokemon games sold 1.5m in November, so roughly 750k each. According to the source Unity sold less than that. That isn't my assumption, but what the source claims.

[Vox Draco]

Dang it, now I want Kevin Spacey as a bad guy in the next DA game.   That would actually be pretty awesome.  Thanks for planting that idea into my head, Vox.  

 

My pleasure .. I am sure he will wear the elf-ears proudly

[tself55]

And these 92% of PC digital sales account for which percentage of all sales. 25 percent?

Anyway, I don't think digital sales account for 92% of all PC AAA games sales, but feel free to post your source if you like.

http://www.joystiq.c...3-were-digital/

who then sources:

http://www.pcr-onlin...revenues/034551

[Madrict]

From what I have read, DAI is selling really well. As it should, its a great game with a few things that need fixing. But given the scope of the world that is understandable. Just please bring back Desire demons in future DLC/Expansion

[Spankatola]

From what I have read, DAI is selling really well. As it should, its a great game with a few things that need fixing. But given the scope of the world that is understandable. Just please bring back Desire demons in future DLC/Expansion

 

Yeah, I was certainly pleased to hear that. This is the most engaged I've been in a game in...well, a long time. I started a second play through immediately after finishing the first one, that's pretty rare for me. I'm looking forward to this franchise continuing indefinitely.

[DemGeth]

According to Forbes.com, PS4/XBONE account for 54% of FIFA 15 sales, PS3/XBOX360 for 45%, and PC for 1%

Link article. Only thing i saw was a sharp increase in pc full game download revenue the quarter fifa was released.

[VelvetStraitjacket]

Here's an idea!

Let's wait til comprehensive sales figures are released so we can actually discuss this topic properly with facts rather than scattered conjecture.

 

MIND-BLOWING I KNOW!!!!!111!!

 

How dare you. You are dealing with pros here who know sales figures better than Bioware and EA. You should be ashamed.

[lazysuperstar]

Here's an idea!

Let's wait til comprehensive sales figures are released so we can actually discuss this topic properly with facts rather than scattered conjecture.

 

MIND-BLOWING I KNOW!!!!!111!!

 

Good idea!! but... What will happen when sales figures are released showing they are actually good.. and when the eleven of them find out the world actually doesn't revolve around them or their need to play Origins2

[VelvetStraitjacket]

Good idea!! but... What will happen when sales figures are released showing they are actually good.. and when the eleven of them find out the world actually doesn't revolve around them or their need to play Origins2

 

Oh, they'll continue.

[lazysuperstar]

Oh, they'll continue.

 

That's a relief. As long as that bunch keep complaining, one can be sure the game is good

[VelvetStraitjacket]

That's a relief. As long as that bunch keep complaining, one can be sure the game is good

 

They are saving Bioware. And us all.

[Andraste_Reborn]

They will instantly switch gears from 'this game will sell terribly because it is terrible!' to 'this game is selling well because gamers are idiots! Lowest common denominator! CATS AND DOGS LIVING TOGETHER!'

[keyip]

Lets just say 13 days then, although it is about 2 weeks.

 

Nope. At the very most it's 11 days, which is 1 and a half weeks. The NPD months consists of 4 weeks, In 2014 the figures were collected in the 4 weeks between the 2nd and 29th, which means Inquisition had 11 days worth of figures recorded.

 

Sources for the 92% figure were posted above, you're right it doesn't say 92% of AAA games but considering 92% of ALL PC sales are digital at the very least it's a significant percentage.

[WillieStyle]

Just please bring back Desire demons in future DLC/Expansion

 

Choice Spirits!!!

Ahem! I'll see myself out.

[Sicae]

Nope. At the very most it's 11 days, which is 1 and a half weeks. The NPD months consists of 4 weeks, In 2014 the figures were collected in the 4 weeks between the 2nd and 29th, which means Inquisition had 11 days worth of figures recorded.

 

Sources for the 92% figure were posted above, you're right it doesn't say 92% of AAA games but considering 92% of ALL PC sales are digital at the very least it's a significant percentage.

Only cod:AW and AC:Unity have more favorable release dates, and people already said DAI can't compete with those games.

 

Reason why digital revenue has gone up to 92%  is because of the rise in popularity of f2p games like League of Legends, indie games on steam and steam popularity in general. The number has nothing to do with units sold.

[keyip]

Only cod:AW and AC:Unity have more favorable release dates, and people already said DAI can't compete with those games. 

 

Halo also. However, the point was DA:O was on the November 2009 list because it had a full month and got the jump on almost every one of their competitors, they had one of the most favourable release dates of all their competitors to gain entry to that list. DA:I did not.

 

This isn't about appearing on that list or not, it's about the comparisons being made to DA:O. 

 

Reason why digital revenue has gone up to 92%  is because of the rise in popularity of f2p games like League of Legends, indie games on steam and steam popularity in general. The number has nothing to do with units sold.

 

Nowhere near the sole reason, analysts have been reporting that AAA developers have been rapidly increasing their percentage of digital sales for years now. Saying digital revenue of PC games is almost 100% because of the rise in F2P is just silly.

[Sicae]

 

Nowhere near the sole reason, analysts have been reporting that AAA developers have been rapidly increasing their percentage of digital sales for years now. Saying digital revenue of PC games is almost 100% because of the rise in F2P is just silly.

Most revenue for MMO's comes from digital revenue due to monthly costs and microtransactions. All revenue for MOBA is digital revenue. All DLC sale is digital. Chinese market is all about microtransactions. Add to that indie titles that is almost exclusively digital.

 

According to a NPD survey done in 2014, 46% of PC gamers bought digitally last year. Those who downloaded their games were far less likely to buy full price than those buying physical copies. Half of all PC gamers now make a habit of waiting for price drops before they'll buy a title.

http://www.gamesindu...s-to-buy-survey