Guest_john_sheparrd_*
You know, you could just not play the game if you don't like it instead of wishing failure upon the game and its developers. If a DA4 gets made, you don't have to play it if you don't think it is something you'll enjoy. You don't even have to follow its development.
but trust me he will hell he will even buy it then after a few hours come here and complain again how bad it is and how it is even worse than Inquisition
.. some people on this forum really
Guest_john_sheparrd_*
Lol, right? For a guy who doesn't like grinding, that's pretty much all he's done in this thread. Keep chipping away, dlux! Maybe you can will the game to go away!
Meantime, this seems like a good time to remind everyone that the game, according to the one person in this thread who'd know, is actually selling well.
yeah as much as I would like to believe that how is that possible by looking at these numbers?..
You know, you could just not play the game if you don't like it instead of wishing failure upon the game and its developers. If a DA4 gets made, you don't have to play it if you don't think it is something you'll enjoy. You don't even have to follow its development.
Because DA4 getting made means other potential thing (let say Jade Empire 2, a Mass Effect spin-off or even a new IP) is not made.
It's a pretty simple concept.
You know, you could just not play the game if you don't like it instead of wishing failure upon the game and its developers. If a DA4 gets made, you don't have to play it if you don't think it is something you'll enjoy. You don't even have to follow its development.
Exactly, and it's not just a question of a game you don't want not being made but people being fired as well. Why gloat or wish for that.
yeah as much as I would like to believe that how is that possible by looking at these numbers?..
Because DA4 getting made means other thing is not made, it's pretty simple.
But there is no guarantee that you'll like the other thing either. In fact, from Bioware's track record and their progression from game to game, there is a very good chance you wouldn't like whatever else they made instead. And then the circle would continue with you wishing failure on that game and complaining that it isn't enough like whatever particular game you are holding on a pedestal of "How It is Done".
But there is no guarantee that you'll like the other thing either.
In fact, from Bioware's track record and their progression from game to game, there is a very good chance you wouldn't like whatever else they made instead.
And then the circle would continue with you wishing failure on that game and complaining that it isn't enough like whatever particular game you are holding on a pedestal of "How It is Done".
It wasn't? But...But... what about that winning formula of Skyrim + WoW that they tried to emulate? Both of those games sold about a zillion copies each, remember? (Actually, Skyrim came in at #2 in the November 2011 charts, second only to Call of Duty Modern warfare 3 IIRC)DA:I, for all intents and purposes, was never about to win against other blockbusters named on that list.
DA:O was first announced at E3 2004. Jade Empire was released in April 2005. It was developed at around the same time as Jade Empire, but took forever to release. It isn't really a 360 in design philosophy as it was started before Bioware made their real push into more action oriented games, of which Jade Empire was arguably the first. Even DA:O was more action RPG in comparison to KotOR or BG. Games like DA:I and ME 3 are the results of Bioware's slow march toward cinematic Action RPGs. A march that began pretty much as soon as BG II was out the door.
DA:I and ME 3 are the results of Bioware's slow march toward cinematic Action RPGs. A march that began pretty much as soon as BG II was out the door.
Guest_john_sheparrd_*
I don't necessarily hate the idea of Action RPGs, in fact Mass Effect 1 and Jade Empire are two of my favourite BW games.
I do hate the idea of a poor attempt at Gears of War / Skyrim, if I wanted to play those games I'd play the real thing.
well then Bioware isn't your kind of company anymore
also ME 2+3 and Inquistion are so much more than just simple Gears of War/Skyrim clones(just because they have some similarities in gameplay or open world design you labeling them as poor attempts is just silly) but I get it you are "old school" who hates everything after DA:O and who can't move on
the question remains what are you doing here? I mean its obvious Bioware won't go back to its old roots (thank god I will take a ME2 or 3 over ME1 any day)
I don't necessarily hate the idea of Action RPGs, in fact Mass Effect 1 and Jade Empire are two of my favourite BW games.
I do hate the idea of a poor attempt at Gears of War / Skyrim, if I wanted to play those games I'd play the real thing.
And so we enter the realm of opinion and there is little point in continuing the conversation.
well then Bioware isn't your kind of company anymore
How so? I love SWTOR, Shadow Realms looks like the first innovative dungeon crawler in a long time, Mass Effect "not 4" is probably the game that I'm looking most forward to (as ME3 improved massively on ME2) and apparently there's a new I brewing that we know nothing of.
but I get it you are "old school" who hates everything after DA:O and who can't move on
You're creating some massive strawmen out of a single opinion of mine, 'tis most amusing 
And so we enter the realm of opinion and there is little point in continuing the conversation.
Well... you started it
I don't necessarily hate the idea of Action RPGs, in fact Mass Effect 1 and Jade Empire are two of my favourite BW games.
I do hate the idea of a poor attempt at Gears of War / Skyrim, if I wanted to play those games I'd play the real thing.
Slightly off topic, but ME3 is phenomenal. They took the best elements of ME1 and 2 and got rid of the worst elements (Mako combat, planet scanning).
I still think that their unique dice-shooting mechanics from ME are infinitely more interesting than the 23834th mediocre attempt at "generic 3rd person shooter", but scrapping everything and just doing a copypasta of "whatever works well enough" is probably a lot easier than creating and refining great mechanics, and we're talking about Bioware here... not Platinum Games, Valve or Nintendo.
But I do agree that ME3 was a huge improvement over ME2, at least they added a good amount of variety in there.
In the same vein of "If you don't like DAI then leave", if you don't like complaining then why are you on the BSN? The BSN has had a meltdown after EVERY Bioware release its existed for. People here are lunatics for about 2 months after a release, then things calm down into just general pessimism.
That being said, I'm sad at the game flopping, I guess I'd have to blame the awful word of mouth DA2 got. It really killed the momentum of the franchise imo. And a lot of the bad press was very over exaggerated.
I still think that their unique dice-shooting mechanics from ME are infinitely more interesting than the 23834th mediocre attempt at "generic 3rd person shooter", but scrapping everything and just doing a copypasta of "whatever works well enough" is probably a lot easier than creating and refining great mechanics, and we're talking about Bioware here... not Platinum Games, Valve or Nintendo.
But I do agree that ME3 was a huge improvement over ME2, at least they added a good amount of variety in there.
The thing i liked about ME was the fact that everything felt big and open, especially on Citadel and you could quite literally have dozens of available side missions to complete however you wanted. ME2 didn't have that same feel, but ME3 did and the graphics are light years ahead of ME.
It's been a while since I played ME1. Maybe it's time i go back and re-examine the mechanics. I enjoyed ME2, but after a while it felt like the same battle over and over.
If they don't make DA4, they could just as well not release anything in its stead.
And for the record, DA:I didn't bomb.
What the heck is wrong with you guys? BioWare has to have the most fanatical fans of any game developer.
Seeing how the franchise gets worse with each game (imho) I'd be glad if EA pulled another Dead Space.
I wouldn't want to see BW losing too much talent though.
I didn't read all 22 pages, but NPD never reports digital sales. And on the PC, 90% of sales are going to be digital.
I didn't read all 22 pages, but NPD never reports digital sales. And on the PC, 90% of sales are going to be digital.
I was just about to point that out. Very sizable amount of sales is digital nowadays and is not covered anywhere. So only EA knows how successful DA:I actually is.
Games like DA:I and ME 3 are the results of Bioware's slow march toward cinematic Action RPGs. A march that began pretty much as soon as BG II was out the door.
I didn't read all 22 pages, but NPD never reports digital sales. And on the PC, 90% of sales are going to be digital.
No need to read all 22 pages. Most of the posts are pure speculation anyway. Fueled by a very vocal minority who inject loaded terms into the discussion such as 'flop' or 'bomb' to give the false impression that DA:I is doing poorly. In fact, the title of the thread itself gives a very negative impression "I'm worried we might not get a sequel...". Of course, a thread title with a positive bend to it would never garner the same attention as a controversial one.
The only quote you really need to read is the one from Jarrett Lee, Bioware's Marketing Director:
Hi guys - obviously it's a drag not to see DAI on that top 10 list for November. I can't really give any figures of course...However, from what I know about the sales numbers (a) DAI is doing great and well ahead of it's predecessors, and a significant percentage of sales of DAI are digital and not tracked by NPD. If anything, I'm more worried about the weird signals this chart sends to the market about DAI, as opposed to the reality of our unit sales
The last sentence is very telling. Jarrett Lee correctly predicted the weird signals the chart is sending to the public as proven by the purveyors of this 'gloom and doom' thread.
You sure that isn't as soon as BG1 was out the door? I can see quite a few cinematic elements starting to slip into BG2.
Probably. Bioware does seem to be continuously moving toward a certain ideal in terms of the kind of game they want to make.
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