Slightly off topic, but ME3 is phenomenal. They took the best elements of ME1 and 2 and got rid of the worst elements (Mako combat, planet scanning).
As for Inquisitions numbers, there's just no way to put a positive spin on things I'm afraid.
Really? Let me try.
It's easily outstripped sales of their 2 predecessors in its opening weeks, and the great number of GOTY awards they're about to win combined with the generally positive feedback around the web will ensure sales will remain strong much longer that DA2.
Really? Let me try.
It's easily outstripped sales of their 2 predecessors in its opening weeks, and the great number of GOTY awards they're about to win combined with the generally positive feedback around the web will ensure sales will remain strong much longer that DA2.
Fine, I guess one can put a positive spin on things. As to whether any of that holds true....we can but hope.
As for Inquisitions numbers, there's just no way to put a positive spin on things I'm afraid. Here's hoping that residual sales remain strong in the manner of DA:O.
Nope, not on retail numbers at least. Digital sales of DA:I could be very good though.
After DA2 and ME3 people seem to have lost faith in BioWare EA Edmonton. Gamers also don't seem to believe these "game critics" anymore, who always give Bioware's games fantastic ratings independent of the game's quality. The mixed user reception probably didn't help too much either; very good word of mouth could have really pushed sales.
The 3 GOTY awards haven't really improved sales much either as it seems. Hopefully the game has long legs and at least breaks even.
People shuld not be worried because of sales because Bioware seems to have enough money to make new free DLC for multiplayer : https://store.xbox.c...47-b271a1d759a8
It wasn't? But...But... what about that winning formula of Skyrim + WoW that they tried to emulate? Both of those games sold about a zillion copies each, remember? (Actually, Skyrim came in at #2 in the November 2011 charts, second only to Call of Duty Modern warfare 3 IIRC)
In any case, I'd be interested to see if DA:I eclipses DA:O's sales. I Know a dev just came on here and announced that it's doing better than DA:O did at that point in its life (first month sales), but DA:O was a sleeper hit. It didn't have the standard traditional sales curve. Pure word of mouth caused it to sell better in its second month than in its first week, like most games. So we'll see.
DA:I is pumping them out at a 2:1 ratio over DA:O apparently there's a thread in the spoiler section.
Yeah, not to derail the thread further, but that is by no means a consensus view.
As for Inquisitions numbers, there's just no way to put a positive spin on things I'm afraid. Here's hoping that residual sales remain strong in the manner of DA:O.
My take on the situation would be this. DAI might have got some glowing reviews and GOTY, but I suspect it will actually sell less than DAO and DA2. Also it will be forgotten faster than its younger brothers. There's nothing there to stand the test of time, no typical Bioware glue, that has you coming back to it for years and years to come.
There's a Dev post on this very thread confirming that.DA:I is pumping them out at a 2:1 ratio over DA:O apparently there's a thread in the spoiler section.
There's no way to put ANY spin on the DAI numbers. Too much data is missing. We don't know DAI budget, EA's 90 day expectations, digital sales, or worldwide physical copies sold (all charts rely to a greater or lesser extent on estimates).
Therefore, the only real piece of data we can even debate is what "better than expected" as posted by Jarrett Lee actually means. Me, I take it at face value. If the game it's tracking better than what BioWare expected, that can only be good news.
There's a Dev post on this very thread confirming that.
But it doesn't mean anything. DA2 ALSO outsold DA:O at that point in it's sales life (1st month). What matters is the final result. Again, DA:O was a sleeper hit, sales picked up for it in month 2 due to...whatever (word of mouth, good reviews etc) The same cannot be said for DA2, who's sales fell off a friggin cliff after about week 3. The final result is that DA:O ended up DOUBLING DA2's sales.
It's too early to tell how DAI will do in the long run. Personally, I *want* it to stay its course, sales wise. It's a good game. It feels like a legit Bioware effort. But right now I'm concerned.
So you can't dispute the actual figure but you'll question it's accuracy instead.
I took Jarrett at his word too Epyon, but what little sales info we've seen since paints a pretty bleak picture no? In any case, despite all that, I'll say again that I hope that Inquisition sells well, even if I'm starting to think that it might not.
I don't think the available sales numbers or chart position tell us much of anything about how Inquisition is performing, no. There's too much missing data and too many estimates used by the charting services for me to trust them. Of the 12 other people i know locally who bought Inquisition representing three platforms, 7 did so digitally (2 ps4, 2 xbone, 3 pc). It's too small of a sample size to extrapolate, but it isn't unreasonable to expect 1/4 to 1/3 of sales to have been digital at this point.
If the game breaks even or better after 90 days, we'll be getting a sequel. RPG isn't where EA makes their money (Fifa, madden, bf), but they want a piece of the action and this would be unlikely to end DA if it doesn't lose money.
Even with the higher budget for this game, my guess (and this is a guess based on my knowledge of the industry) is that 2 million is the break even line. They've probably already hit that once digital is factored, but no one really knows for sure outside BioWare and EA.
At any rate, BioWare games have not historically been chart busters, and increased in popularity with word of mouth. Hell, they've overcome quite a bit of negative stuff. When ME1 (and I was still stupid enough to watch Fox News), the game got trashed for romance scenes and alien loving and how that shouldn't ever be in games.
BioWare games don't usually follow the traditional sales track of burning out after a month. I expect that there will be a moderate surge in activity in late December and early January because gift cards from Christmas. Probably not enough to move charts if that's your thing, but the game doesn't need to sell ten million.
I don't think the available sales numbers or chart position tell us much of anything about how Inquisition is performing, no. There's too much missing data and too many estimates used by the charting services for me to trust them. Of the 12 other people i know locally who bought Inquisition representing three platforms, 7 did so digitally (2 ps4, 2 xbone, 3 pc). It's too small of a sample size to extrapolate, but it isn't unreasonable to expect 1/4 to 1/3 of sales to have been digital at this point.
If the game breaks even or better after 90 days, we'll be getting a sequel. RPG isn't where EA makes their money (Fifa, madden, bf), but they want a piece of the action and this would be unlikely to end DA if it doesn't lose money.
Even with the higher budget for this game, my guess (and this is a guess based on my knowledge of the industry) is that 2 million is the break even line. They've probably already hit that once digital is factored, but no one really knows for sure outside BioWare and EA.
At any rate, BioWare games have not historically been chart busters, and increased in popularity with word of mouth. Hell, they've overcome quite a bit of negative stuff. When ME1 (and I was still stupid enough to watch Fox News), the game got trashed for romance scenes and alien loving and how that shouldn't ever be in games.
BioWare games don't usually follow the traditional sales track of burning out after a month. I expect that there will be a moderate surge in activity in late December and early January because gift cards from Christmas. Probably not enough to move charts if that's your thing, but the game doesn't need to sell ten million.
"These figures, despite their inaccuracy and lack of precision, paint a precise and accurate picture of DA:I's rollicking failure."
You are bonkers.
That you think that those PAL Charts aren't a somewhat useful measure when it comes to checking and discussing Inquisitions on-going sales performance is a little ridiculous to me Epyon, though I take your point that those figures are by no means absolute and by no means paint a complete picture. Happy?
As for the rest of your post, I don't know where to start. Sorry.
It wasn't? But...But... what about that winning formula of Skyrim + WoW that they tried to emulate? Both of those games sold about a zillion copies each, remember? (Actually, Skyrim came in at #2 in the November 2011 charts, second only to Call of Duty Modern warfare 3 IIRC)
In any case, I'd be interested to see if DA:I eclipses DA:O's sales. I Know a dev just came on here and announced that it's doing better than DA:O did at that point in its life (first month sales), but DA:O was a sleeper hit. It didn't have the standard traditional sales curve. Pure word of mouth caused it to sell better in its second month than in its first week, like most games. So we'll see.
DA: O, like DA: I, had the benefit of the holidays for its second month. I expect a similar boost to Inquisition that Origins got. It certainly wasn't "pure word of mouth," although even if it was that bodes well for Inquisition as well.
No, I'll question its relevancy. Successful marketing/hype can always drive a game's sales in the first 3 weeks. But after that, the game is at the whims of the consumer exclusively. and THAT is when things matter the most. If the public thinks the game is authentically good, sales will continue. If they think the game is garbage, sales will plummet. DA:O is an example of the former, and DA2 is an example of the latter.So you can't dispute the actual figure but you'll question it's accuracy instead.
Oh look, a whole thread of people saying that the Dragon Age world is ending, much like our own world for the past 5000 years...
NOOOO! DON´T DIE BIOWARE! I LOVE YOU.
NOOOO! DON´T DIE BIOWARE! I LOVE YOU.
Don't worry, despite the naysayers, the game is succeeding.
They are useful for meaningless conjecture. Even the chart companies use the word estimate in their description of methodology. Then when you factor in digital, which isn't monitored by any tracker, it throws the whole equation off. That's why I don't trust the charts. Sorry if that offends you, but anything that relies on estimation and excludes a major portion of sales SHOULD lose a lot of trust.
Right, so the degree to which different people find this data interesting\pertinent differs. Who knew? Begs the question: without trying to make a wider statement about the sales performance of Inquisition more generally, what say you about the performance of the game in those estates that are specifically targeted and measured by PAL?
Positive or negative?
Don't worry, despite the naysayers, the game is succeeding.
Please. I will be depressed if BW make no more ME/DA games. They are so much better than so many other games. I dont understand how AC series get away with making the same **** every year.
Neither, but leaning positive. The positive comes down to the fact that DAI has significantly outpaced DAO on the charts with a fraction of the marketing in first month. That cannot be discounted.Right, so the degree to which different people find this data interesting\pertinent differs. Who knew? Begs the question: without trying to make a wider statement about the sales performance of Inquisition more generally, what say you about the performance of the game in those estates specifically targeted and measured by those PAL charts?
Positive or negative?
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