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[atlantico]

That's the problem with cherry picking, you inevitably miss the point. This is a primary reason to skip sites like MetaCritic though. You should note here: I don't care if the score is a 0 or a 10. I don't care if the reviewer works for a game review site, or lives in their mom's basement playing video games 24 hours a day, review sites can be completely ignored, including, as I mentioned in the part of the post you decided you didn't want to deal with, which games get GotY from whom. None of this has any relevance to me. You seem quite invested in it, but the reality of my situation is, I don't care. My tastes are defined by me. I'm not one of the sheep that needs someone else to tell me what I should or shouldn't like, what music I should or shouldn't listen to, or what publishers I should or shouldn't support. I make my choices based on how I feel about what's been presented.

That means that, for me, this game was purchased because I liked what I saw. My deal breaking condition didn't occur, MP is not tied to SP. I was hot and heavy in that debate, with the position that the reward for MP should be playing MP. I'm not happy with the controls for PC, but I already had a controller for AC and the Witcher 2, so I use it. I'm not happy with the skill limitations, especially on PC, the platform that I play, but I still wouldn't waste my time on MetaCritic, or any other review site, giving the game a 0. Of course, I'm also not upset that I couldn't play my Warden, or that my Warden wasn't an integral part of this game, especially given my love of the US ending. I chose to weigh this game based on it's own merits, and came away not only glad that I bought it, but glad that I pre-ordered it. So ultimately, I'm not worried about it's future, and the BioWare post in this thread didn't make me paranoid about them posting, it reinforced my position that the game is a solid entry into the franchise.

 

I'm darn sure of two things, one is that I never mentioned Metacritic. Not one word. I've been reading what people say about the game and in general people seem lukewarm towards it, which was something I did mention. I've seen very positive things said and very negative, but setting aside those who have technical issues, people seem to be having a hard time giving it glowing remarks. It's "ok". 

 

The other thing I am sure of, is that it's not I who is invested in GOTY awards, rather I've been trying to explain why I don't see arbitrary GOTY awards as relevant at all. 

 

"My tastes are defined by me" etc. and I agree with that. What the poster I've been debating with do not agree on is that he puts some intrinsic value in the fact that this game has received a number of GOTY awards. A meaningless fact to me. 

 

So again: what are you exactly discussing with me? I'm asking in all seriousness, because there nothing in your post I disagree with. 

[robertthebard]

I'm darn sure of two things, one is that I never mentioned Metacritic. Not one word. I've been reading what people say about the game and in general people seem lukewarm towards it, which was something I did mention. I've seen very positive things said and very negative, but setting aside those who have technical issues, people seem to be having a hard time giving it glowing remarks. It's "ok". 
 
The other thing I am sure of, is that it's not I who is invested in GOTY awards, rather I've been trying to explain why I don't see arbitrary GOTY awards as relevant at all. 
 
"My tastes are defined by me" etc. and I agree with that. What the poster I've been debating with do not agree on is that he puts some intrinsic value in the fact that this game has received a number of GOTY awards. A meaningless fact to me. 
 
So again: what are you exactly discussing with me? I'm asking in all seriousness, because there nothing in your post I disagree with.

Then the disconnect may indeed be my own. I'm not invested, in the slightest about what someone like IGN, or AngryJoe have to say. I'm not even interested to go look at linked videos, nor do I care to read the "minutes" from a meeting. What I care about is whether or not I find the game fun. In this instance, I do. I have purchased games that made me wonder what I was thinking. We've all seen, I'm relatively sure, the game rental site's commercial about buying bad games. I've been there, and done that. I don't feel like this is one of those times, and stand by my own, arbitrarily arrived at, based on my own experiences with the game, 7.5 score. I am not a reviewer, I'm a gamer.

I have not run into any of the game breaking bugs that I have seen referenced here, nor do I doubt their existence. However, someone else's experience with the game doesn't matter when I'm figuring out what I think. As for how this addresses the dialog, at all, it addresses the topic of the thread. From my perspective, the game is fine, whether it charted or not. From the BioWare post in this thread, I gather that digital sales aren't reflected in those charts mentioned in the OP. I have no idea, but I did purchase a digital copy. Since I'm not made paranoid about a Dev post claiming that the game is doing well in regard to sales, I have to believe that, based on that reply, there's little danger that sales won't be a cause of there not being another game in the series. I expect that I'll be labeled a fanboy, or a white knight for that, this is the BSN, it's bound to happen, but it doesn't matter. Based on my own experience, I'm not concerned about the future of the franchise, it seems like it's on fairly solid ground.

[LinksOcarina]

It's not like the opinions of others usually matter in the end when it comes to the enjoyment of the game.

 

When it comes to accusations and things...that's another story. That does need to stop though. 

[atlantico]

Then the disconnect may indeed be my own. I'm not invested, in the slightest about what someone like IGN, or AngryJoe have to say. I'm not even interested to go look at linked videos, nor do I care to read the "minutes" from a meeting. What I care about is whether or not I find the game fun. In this instance, I do. I have purchased games that made me wonder what I was thinking. We've all seen, I'm relatively sure, the game rental site's commercial about buying bad games. I've been there, and done that. I don't feel like this is one of those times, and stand by my own, arbitrarily arrived at, based on my own experiences with the game, 7.5 score. I am not a reviewer, I'm a gamer.

I have not run into any of the game breaking bugs that I have seen referenced here, nor do I doubt their existence. However, someone else's experience with the game doesn't matter when I'm figuring out what I think. As for how this addresses the dialog, at all, it addresses the topic of the thread. From my perspective, the game is fine, whether it charted or not. From the BioWare post in this thread, I gather that digital sales aren't reflected in those charts mentioned in the OP. I have no idea, but I did purchase a digital copy. Since I'm not made paranoid about a Dev post claiming that the game is doing well in regard to sales, I have to believe that, based on that reply, there's little danger that sales won't be a cause of there not being another game in the series. I expect that I'll be labeled a fanboy, or a white knight for that, this is the BSN, it's bound to happen, but it doesn't matter. Based on my own experience, I'm not concerned about the future of the franchise, it seems like it's on fairly solid ground.

 

Again, I agree with you. Couldn't have said it better myself. If the UI did not rub me the wrong way, I'd give this game a solid 7.5 as well, but a solid 6.0 as things are. I knew what kind of game I was buying. 

 

I'm also one of the fortunate ones who has not encountered any game-breaking bugs, DA:I works as intended for me. I have my gripes, but they're not bug-related.

 

You are referring to videos or "minutes" of a meeting, that was posted for entertainment value for those interested to read or watch, because I found it to be laughably stupid. It had no bearing on sales or popular perception of the game or any argument really - unless one is inclined to "white knight" the IGN fops.

 

Anyway, this thread is just about meanderings of the future, and I can understand that people who genuinely like this game don't understand what the others are worrying about. Some are very unhappy with aspects of the game, and from their point of view, there is reason to be concerned because they're fans of the series and want it to continue. 

 

Myself I'm just passing time until patch 3

[robertthebard]

Myself I'm just passing time until patch 3

I just found out about patch 3 a few minutes ago, so I'm watching too.

Sorry for the snip, but that's all I've got...

[Morroian]

I saw saw this in relation to swtor but it bears noting for DAI, it was the 6th most played game for those with raptr installed in December:

 

http://www.swtorstra...ember-2014.html

 

Yes it was played more than Hearthstone.

[pdusen]

I saw saw this in relation to swtor but it bears noting for DAI, it was the 6th most played game for those with raptr installed in December:

 

http://www.swtorstra...ember-2014.html

 

Yes it was played more than Hearthstone.

 

Impossible. Haven't you heard? Ten games sold better than DAI, which means no one bought it.

[Biotic Flash Kick]

What i wouldn't kill for a proper D&D game in frostbite 3 with all the D&D class system. 5th looks good, definitely better than 4th. But sadly wont happen.

 

Now regarding if dragon age series dies, i honestly do not really care, they already killed it to be inclusive might as well give a it a proper pyre and move on.

Imagine 3.5 or pathfinder :DDDDDDD

[katokires]

For a Pathfinder game on Frostbite 3 - I'd make Hitler look like the most cute virgin holy daddy good girl, worldwide genocides for breakfest and capturing souls for the devil after lunch.

[SofaJockey]

Pleeease tell me we are honouring Godwin's Law !!!    

[Nimlowyn]

Pleeease tell me we are honouring Godwin's Law !!!    

Godwin's Law, ye never fail.

[Andreas Amell]

I actually forward to a sequel only if they actually let us play with some of our previous lead characters, the Grey Warden and Hawke.

 

But the bigoted complaints against this game are just ridiculous.

 

[atlantico]

I actually forward to a sequel only if they actually let us play with some of our previous lead characters, the Grey Warden and Hawke.

 

But the bigoted complaints against this game are just ridiculous.

 

Bigoted complaints are always stupid. 

 

Fortunately, they are a tiny irrelevant minority because reasonable complaints about this game are plentiful. And there's no way you'll ever play the Warden or Hawke again without playing DA:O or DA2 again.

[uzivatel]

A very expensive AAA game that fails to chart in Europe or in North America didn't fail?

 

Wishful thinking.

 

I dont think there are any pan-European charts. It did fail in UK retail according to Chart-Track. It seems to be doing exceptionally well in Eastern Europe (as if the region mattered, lol). Not sure about other large markets such as Germany, though.

[MikeJW]

Lots and lots of games outside the Top 10 get sequals. I'm curious outside of The Elder Scrolls or Final Fantasy how many RPGs crack the Top 10?

[atlantico]

I dont think there are any pan-European charts. It did fail in UK retail according to Chart-Track. It seems to be doing exceptionally well in Eastern Europe (as if the region mattered, lol). Not sure about other large markets such as Germany, though.

 

Here's how I imagine a post mortem speech by Darrah and Laidlaw:

 

Laidlaw: It's only failing because it wasn't simple enough, it needed more streamlining, this game still has some kind of inventory! Surely we could have done away with that. It's the future! 

 

Darrah: QTE storytelling, pick your own adventure kinda thing and more romance. Because a huge part of the people who buy this game are looking for a fantasy romance in a computer game. 

 

Laidlaw: That's how we attract more buyers next time. Oh and less rules, more boom boom and flashy flash. 

 

Gaider: We need to market this as a cross gender game too (yes also in that way you're thinking of) and cross all age groups. Everyone must be able to play this game and feel pandered to, yet not put under any pressure to learn anything. 

 

Darrah: Make the interface comically large and drop keyboard and mouse support completely. That just complicates things anyway, any old gramma can hold a controller, but keyboard and mouse requires some motor skills. 

 

Laidlaw: If we do all this, we'll be golden next time! 

 

Darrah: The alternative is that we have been pushing the franchise in the wrong direction twice over now and failing miserably each time to catch the interest and imagination of people, further alienating them from our games and making decisions which cater more and more to fewer and fewer.

 

Everyone in unison: Naaaaaaah! 

 

[Fast Jimmy]

Lots and lots of games outside the Top 10 get sequals. I'm curious outside of The Elder Scrolls or Final Fantasy how many RPGs crack the Top 10?

Fallout games. Each of the new installments sold uowards of five million units and were both in the top games sold when they came out.

[nici2412]

I dont think there are any pan-European charts. It did fail in UK retail according to Chart-Track. It seems to be doing exceptionally well in Eastern Europe (as if the region mattered, lol). Not sure about other large markets such as Germany, though.

 

2014 sales for germany (only retail)

Only the PS4 version made it into the top 100, charting #57

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28 3DS ANIMAL CROSSING: NEW LEAF (NINTENDO)
29 3DS MARIO KART 7 (NINTENDO)
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31 PS3 WATCH DOGS (UBISOFT) >100k
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33 WIU SUPER SMASH BROS (NINTENDO)
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41 PS4 ASSASSIN'S CREED: IV: BLACK FLAG (UBISOFT)
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43 PS4 CALL OF DUTY: GHOSTS (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
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62 WII JUST DANCE 2014 (UBISOFT)
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64 PS4 NEED FOR SPEED: RIVALS (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
65 PS3 FAR CRY 4 (UBISOFT)
66 XBO CALL OF DUTY: ADVANCED WARFARE (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
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68 PS4 WOLFENSTEIN: THE NEW ORDER (BETHESDA SOFTWORKS)
69 3DS MARIO PARTY: ISLAND TOUR (NINTENDO)
70 XBO DESTINY (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
71 360 CALL OF DUTY: GHOSTS (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
72 PS3 BEYOND: TWO SOULS (SONY COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT)
73 PC FIFA 2015 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
74 360 CALL OF DUTY: ADVANCED WARFARE (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
75 PS3 ASSASSIN'S CREED: ROGUE (UBISOFT)
76 PS4 THE CREW (UBISOFT)
77 PC FAR CRY 4 (UBISOFT)
78 WIU HYRULE WARRIORS (NINTENDO)
79 PS3 DESTINY (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
80 PS3 DARK SOULS 2 (BANDAI NAMCO GAMES)
81 PC ASSASSIN'S CREED: IV: BLACK FLAG (UBISOFT)
82 WII SKYLANDERS: TRAP TEAM (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
83 3DS SUPER MARIO 3D LAND (NINTENDO)
84 360 FIFA 2014 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
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88 WII NEW SUPER MARIO BROS (NINTENDO)
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96 PC CALL OF DUTY: ADVANCED WARFARE (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
97 PS3 THE LAST OF US (SONY COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT)
98 XBO WATCH DOGS (UBISOFT)
99 PS4 NBA 2K15 (TAKE-TWO INTERACTIVE)
100 360 ASSASSIN'S CREED: IV: BLACK FLAG (UBISOFT)

[uzivatel]

Fallout games. Each of the new installments sold uowards of five million units and were both in the top games sold when they came out.

 

Other RPGs to enter the US top 10 would be Mass Effect 3, Diablo 3, TESV, Witcher 2, Borderlands 2, ...

[MikeJW]

Other RPGs to enter the US top 10 would be Mass Effect 3, Diablo 3, TESV, Witcher 2, Borderlands 2, ...

 

Witcher 2 was in the Top 10? Borderlands 2 isn't really an rpg and already said TES series. Still, rpgs are not that big of the market, especially releasing when a lot of big names are out that time period.

[Fast Jimmy]

Other RPGs to enter the US top 10 would be Mass Effect 3, Diablo 3, TESV, Witcher 2, Borderlands 2, ...

TW2 wasn't in the Top Ten when it released. Due in part to its console and PC releases being at separate times, but still... as a series, it hasn't sold that phenomenally.

[uzivatel]

Witcher 2 was in the Top 10? Borderlands 2 isn't really an rpg and already said TES series. Still, rpgs are not that big of the market, especially releasing when a lot of big names are out that time period.

 

Witcher 2 Enhanced Edition was number 6 in April 2012.

[AllThatJazz]

Witcher 2 was in the Top 10? Borderlands 2 isn't really an rpg and already said TES series. Still, rpgs are not that big of the market, especially releasing when a lot of big names are out that time period.

 

Yeah, while I agree that DAI hasn't been a massive hitter by any means (I don't think any of the DA games have been, especially?), I do think we have to take into account that it was released at one of the most competitive times of the year, don't we? According to the Bioware guy who posted in this thread, it was at no.11 in the NPD charts in the US in release week, and it was also no.5 in the UK that week (according to chart track ) competing with big stuff like Battlefield, COD, Assassin's Creed, GTAV etc, some of which were bundled. The Thanksgiving/Christmas market (and DAI was released just in time for that to kick off) is pretty intense, with parents picking up family games/kids games, so stuff like Just Dance, Lego, MarioKart, Minecraft etc will do really well particularly at that time of year also.

 

Meanwhile ME3 released in March, to a lot less fierce competition - same with Witcher 2 in April. Ugh, I freely admit that I know phenomenally little about this sort of thing, but that has to factor in, doesn't it?

 

Hey, at least it's still appearing in the charts, unlike DA2 (I think?) nearly two months after release, is no.14 in the UK all format list (up from 19 last week) and hasn't had a massive price drop yet - the PS4 version is still £45 on Amazon and PC retail still  £35. Meanwhile The Crew, released a couple of weeks after DAI is already £24.99 on PS4 right now. While it's higher in the charts, it takes roughly 2 copies of the Crew to have the same value (in terms of retail price, not knowing development budgets etc) as one copy of DAI.

 

As interesting as charts can be, I imagine it's units sold and the value of said units that is of more concern to EA, rather than strictly chart position.

[MikeJW]

Witcher 2 Enhanced Edition was number 6 in April 2012.

 

I couldn'r help but hear that in Casey Kassems voice.

[uzivatel]

TW2 wasn't in the Top Ten when it released. Due in part to its console and PC releases being at separate times, but still... as a series, it hasn't sold that phenomenally.

 

Witcher has limited platfrom availability, but the series managed to sell some 7 million copies according to some sources.