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Im worried we might not get a sequel... Dragon age inquisition not even in top 10 best selling of nov?


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#976
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Origins was not all about sales, it was the start of Bioware corruption, they destroyed most of their legacy there. But who cares? I still loved the game. But they already excluded most of what made their games interesting for me. It took me one year to adapt to that bullshit. I lowered my standards and it worked.

 

Inquisition is just the point where my whole "lowering standards" breaks. Until DA2 it worked. But when I go play D&D games from Bioware and Obsidian seeing that much classes, the stat points ( <3), feats, everything, I just can't take it (this Inquisition simplification) anymore.

 

But well, what the hell, we were talking about sales right? Yeah, as I said Origins was the start, Inquisition is the peak of wanting to sell. That's why all this mockery, they completely destroyed RPG to sell and didn't sell all that much. This is funny. You make a game for retardeds and even the retardeds don't want it because there are better retarded games. They should perhaps start making games for people with brain again, less budget more profit.

 

They got rid of all the interesting complex features of the franchise to expand their fanbase (more like get rid of half and introduce new ones) and it absolutely seems like a failure since most of the old fans bought the game and a lot of them felt betrayed (like myself). These sales came from marketing, as they lost a lot of people with DA2 now they lose again with DAI... but for what? If DAI sold thrice the amount DAO sold, I would be totally ok with that, going retarded to get money, but with such small improvement betraying everything they were seems like a huge price. Well, people who mattered are not there anymore anyway...

It's a real shame you feel the need to call people names. It undermines any legitimacy your argument may possess.

 

To be honest, the vast majority of your post seems nothing more than  'I don't like Inquisition therefore I'm going to insist it hasn't sold well regardless', which means we're at a bit of an impasse I guess. Although I will point out that on the 'rate your Bioware games' thread on this forum there are people there who clearly didn't like DA2 but who are enjoying DAI, so it isn't entirely true to say that Bioware is simply haemorrhaging fans from one title to the next. And we don't know what improvement/decline in sales there has been so we can't assume anything.

 

We know from leaked NPD data that in its first month in the US alone on non-digital platforms, DAI sold at least 890k (you can find a link to the NeoGAF thread containing that information earlier in this thread).

 

We know that DAI's launch period (whatever EA considers that to be) has been more successful in terms of units sold than Bioware's (not just Dragon Age's) previous most successful title (which was apparently Mass Effect 3 according to people on this and other threads although I don't have access to any numbers that prove this).

 

We know that a Bioware rep has stated in this thread that EA is happy with sales, and that in EA's earnings call they also seem happy with sales and say that 'outperformance versus outlook has been driven by Dragon Age Inquisition performance'. Whether you believe this or not is your call, but this (information disseminated to investors which could get EA into serious legal trouble if they lie) is currently the most solid information we have.

 

We also know that Digital downloads (which aren't tracked by NPD/PAL charts) have accounted for just over half of EA's revenue over the last quarter, which will obviously include DAI. 



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Oh dear. Your first three statements may have merit, I have no stock market knowledge.

 

Then why state as fact

"DAI is a financial disaster, due to marketing costs mostly." 

when you have no more clue what the reality is than anyone else here?
Assuming you do not have access to EA Exec insider knowledge.

 

I appreciate that you appear to enjoy dispensing misery on the forum as
I have seen several of your posts, but following plausible statements with hyperbole does not make it so.

Insider knowledge? No, simple maths using publicly available information. Took me the whole of 5 minutes.



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Insider knowledge? No, simple maths using publicly available information. Took me the whole of 5 minutes.

 

What are the marketing costs for Inquisition?



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Insider knowledge? No, simple maths using publicly available information. Took me the whole of 5 minutes.

Cool. Can you please provide the link to the breakdown of Inquisition's marketing budget? It'll be a really interesting read.



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I can't say I understand why you'd expect that, either. :P Even if EA release actual numbers, someone is going to say they're made-up to cover the epic failure that Inquisition turned out to be.

 

"Literally everyone on this planet has Dragon Age: Inquisition!"

 

"Haha what a crap game no one bought it!"


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What's that based on? I didn't see anything particularly expensive about DAI's marketing. From what I saw it was substantially cheaper than what they did for the ME games. But most marketing routes around me, so I suppose there could be lots of expensive stuff I didn't see.

I'm talking about the DAI pc version, sorry if I was unclear.

 

Regarding the console versions, as the agreements between EA and Sony and Microsft have been edited, it's still difficult to ascertain the financial loss.

 

However, marketing expenses were incurred: the use of Twitch for example, using a e-marketing firm to animate the Web and forums (yes, really) but this relatively cheap, TV spots (hugely expensive, almost never used for RPGs (as far as I know only for Skyrim on this scale? ME was marketed as a shooter, so irrelevant).

 

Also, patching actually cost EA money (they have to pay Microsoft and Sony after the first patch). You can also check the figures inserted in the stock market document.

 

Then, a listed company also have to 'put' a financial value to (i) the goodwill of the acquisition price of Bioware and (ii) the commercial brand DA, which will also be hurt by the moderate backlash on the Net.

 

Then you got the huge number of refunds on Amazon and Origin (check the Master 'Pc community concerns' Thread)...

 

Then you got the Witcher coming up and trolling DAI, subtly, in every piece of communication they do, which is horrible in an objective oligopoly such as AAA RPG games (three players: Bethesda, Bioware, CD Projekt).

 

....

 

I could do that all day, sadly.


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Cool. Can you please provide the link to the breakdown of Inquisition's marketing budget? It'll be a really interesting read.

ok. how much are you willing to pay me?



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Cool. Can you please provide the link to the breakdown of Inquisition's marketing budget? It'll be a really interesting read.

You can see EA's marketing budget.

You can see their quarter 3 report praising dragon age inquisition.

You can see their record profits.

http://www.ea.com/ne...nancial-results

http://investor.ea.com/

 

Not that it matters because your just gonna claim that all these reports are lies and continue citing your subjective opinon as fact.

How about you release something, anything that suggests the game didn't make amazing profits.


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I could do that all day, sadly.

 

So you have no idea what the marketing costs were.

 

I also have no idea what you mean by CDPR trolling DA: I, especially since they just released an interview where they talk about how much they admire BW and Bethesda for being able to broaden their audience, which is what they are planning to do with TW3.



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I'm talking about the DAI pc version, sorry if I was unclear.

 

Regarding the console versions, as the agreements between EA and Sony and Microsft have been edited, it's still difficult to ascertain the financial loss.

 

However, marketing expenses were incurred: the use of Twitch for example, using a e-marketing firm to animate the Web and forums (yes, really) but this relatively cheap, TV spots (hugely expensive, almost never used for RPGs (as far as I know only for Skyrim on this scale? ME was marketed as a shooter, so irrelevant).

 

Also, patching actually cost EA money (they have to pay Microsoft and Sony after the first patch). You can also check the figures inserted in the stock market document.

 

Then, a listed company also have to 'put' a financial value to (i) the goodwill of the acquisition price of Bioware and (ii) the commercial brand DA, which will also be hurt by the moderate backlash on the Net.

 

Then you got the huge number of refunds on Amazon and Origin (check the Master 'Pc community concerns' Thread)...

 

Then you got the Witcher coming up and trolling DAI, subtly, in every piece of communication they do, which is horrible in an objective oligopoly such as AAA RPG games (three players: Bethesda, Bioware, CD Projekt).

 

....

 

I could do that all day, sadly.

But surely without you knowing what the marketing budget is (which you clearly don't), you don't know what of that has been accounted for.

 

I'm not willing to pay you anything. You're the one with the burden of proof since you're the one who to all intents and purposes seems to be plucking numbers out of thin air and declaring DAI a 'financial disaster' (pretty strong words) despite evidence to the contrary. 

 

@teks. Nope. I'm one of the people who has the temerity to be okay with Inquisition being a success. You're preaching to the choir, mate :)



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So you have no idea what the marketing costs were.

 

I also have no idea what you mean by CDPR trolling DA: I, especially since they just released an interview where they talk about how much they admire BW and Bethesda for being able to broaden their audience.

Listen, I have no agenda nor interest in seeing BW fall. I was a huge fan for 15 years, you know.

 

I'll leave you guys alone and let's hope I'm wrong. I just have a tendency to reply to questions that people ask me.

 

So I won't be posting on such threads again.



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SOmewhere on the internet they said it will be 5 Dragon age games. I bet on the last one, it will be the end of the Dragon age and the begning of the normal age, no magic anymore.



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I'm talking about the DAI pc version, sorry if I was unclear.

Regarding the console versions, as the agreements between EA and Sony and Microsft have been edited, it's still difficult to ascertain the financial loss.

However, marketing expenses were incurred: the use of Twitch for example, using a e-marketing firm to animate the Web and forums (yes, really) but this relatively cheap, TV spots (hugely expensive, almost never used for RPGs (as far as I know only for Skyrim on this scale? ME was marketed as a shooter, so irrelevant).

Also, patching actually cost EA money (they have to pay Microsoft and Sony after the first patch). You can also check the figures inserted in the stock market document.

Then, a listed company also have to 'put' a financial value to (i) the goodwill of the acquisition price of Bioware and (ii) the commercial brand DA, which will also be hurt by the moderate backlash on the Net.

Then you got the huge number of refunds on Amazon and Origin (check the Master 'Pc community concerns' Thread)...

Then you got the Witcher coming up and trolling DAI, subtly, in every piece of communication they do, which is horrible in an objective oligopoly such as AAA RPG games (three players: Bethesda, Bioware, CD Projekt).

....

I could do that all day, sadly.

Of course you could do this all day. This post was virtually content-free. You've got a few outright non-sequiturs, and the only place where you actually do discuss marketing costs doesn't make any case.
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But surely without you knowing what the marketing budget is (which you clearly don't), you don't know what of that has been accounted for.

 

I'm not willing to pay you anything. You're the one with the burden of proof since you're the one who to all intents and purposes seems to be plucking numbers out of thin air and declaring DAI a 'financial disaster' (pretty strong words) despite evidence to the contrary. 

 

@teks. Nope. I'm one of the people who has the temerity to be okay with Inquisition being a success. You're preaching to the choir, mate :)

Ok good, because there is no evidence of the game being a financial failure anywhere. I can't find their marketing budget or anything, because I'm pretty sure thats not public info. I think I just replied to the wrong guy, sorry. I just knew I could find the marketting budget for EA. Its almost a billion, but they made far more then that, and this game is cited as a major reason.



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This is from EA's 3rd quarter earnings

 

For the quarter, net revenue* of $1.428 billion was above our guidance of $1.275 billion. Diluted earnings per share* of $1.22 was above our guidance of $0.90.On a trailing twelve month basis, EA had net revenue* of $4.337 billion of which a record $2.178 billion was digital* (more than half for the first time ever), net income* of $833 million and operating cash flow of $1.150 billion (a record for a calendar year).

 

Breaking digital sales records, exceeding expected profits, breaking records for cash flow. Oh yeah, DAi was a flopper.


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Ok good, because there is no evidence of the game being a financial failure anywhere. I can't find their marketing budget or anything, because I'm pretty sure thats not public info.

No, I've looked as well. This will be internal EA information. Plus of course, marketing budgets are factored in when it comes to net profits. No company is going to outright state how happy they are with product performance in relation to unit sales (to investors no less!) if they really aren't. They simply won't mention that product if that's the case (as EA didn't mention Sims 4 in their Q3 report, so obviously not too thrilled there).

 

The evidence we have suggests that DAI is, at worst, doing ok and at best, exceeding expectations (I think it's probably doing well, but since I can't back that up, I won't press the point). Anything beyond that is supposition :)



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yeah and sims 4 wasn't as big as DAi either. I mean, with a game this big EA would feel it if it failed.



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Ok good, because there is no evidence of the game being a financial failure anywhere.

Well, then EA should release sales numbers and boast about the game if it is the fastest selling Bioware game ever. As long as EA pussyfoots around and doesn't release any sales numbers we will not know how well the game truly sold or not for quite a while.

 

"Best launch ever" could mean very good day one sales (including preorders). That doesn't mean that sales did not plummet after release because people stopped buying the game or got refunds. I preordered and got a refund after playing this drivel for 10 hours, because I couldn't stand the terrible gameplay.

 

The earnings report regarding DA:I sounds more like damage control than anything else to me. If they released bad sales numbers then that would spread like wildfire through the internet hurting sales even further.



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This is from EA's 3rd quarter earnings

 

[...]

 

Breaking digital sales records, exceeding expected profits, breaking records for cash flow. Oh yeah, DAi was a flopper.

You apparently fail to realize that EA is a huge company and sells more than one game.



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You apparently fail to realize that EA is a huge company and sells more than one game.

 

If they had a game more successful than DAI, then it makes no bloody sense to call out DAI as the first big driver of their profits.


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So much anger over a bit of math. EA could settle this once and for all, but they don't want to boast about well the game sold for some reason. Oh well.
 
Here is some more math: only 2.6 million dragons were killed, although there are ten in the game.


Heh, I've three playthroughs and haven't killed a dragon yet.
...they scare me.

Just want to throw out there that these reports are probably created far in advance so the 13mil could be outdated.

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Everybody hates DA:I! Three goes into three hundred a total of one hundred times! That proves it! Everyone who thinks that they like DA:I just doesn't know that they hate it! I know what everyone's opinion is! I am the expert on all opinion! And sales! And using the word "maths" in whatever way suits my opinion! You'll all see! Someday...


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You apparently fail to realize that EA is a huge company and sells more than one game.


The CEO specifically called out DAI as being a big factor in their earnings.

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The CEO specifically called out DAI as being a big factor in their earnings.

Define "big factor".

 

Even if DA:I only sold 1.5 million copies it would still be a big factor in their earnings.



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People still missing the point... best of Bioware is WAY TOO LOW for Inquisition.

I will repeat: Given the time of development, the marketing, the 5 platform release and all other stuff, it was obviously going to be the best. But how much better?

Do you seriously think they spent the same as DA2 to keep bragging about being the best sales? Because then it would make sense... but they spent a lot more, time spent in development alone tells it, maketing too, and everything in this game screams budget, it is ridiculous to think they really expected Origins like sales. But I know it will not fail financially because of multiplayer, it is guaranteed success.