This board is really strange as well, nearly every forum I visit loves the game despite some problems but here you would swear Bioware personally killed people's first born children going by the reactions.
This board is really strange as well, nearly every forum I visit loves the game despite some problems but here you would swear Bioware personally killed people's first born children going by the reactions.
The BSN is like the perfect, platonic ideal of a "wretched hive of scum and villainy." You dig deep enough, you find your Han Solos, your Chewbaccas, your Luke Skywalkers.
But a quick drive by? It looks like an awful place, full of awful people.
The last time a company pissed me off that badly with a game, I just left. Left their forums, left their fans and devs alone and decided not to pay for their content anymore. Simple enough. I respected my fellow gamers that enjoyed the game enough to leave them alone, as well as their developers. The game wasn't for me personally, but I don't waste time telling folks to start hating what I hate.
Life's too damned short to spend so much time on something you despise.
I can post my opinion about this game all I want. 
It isn't my fault that your social skills are lacking and therefore have problems accepting different opinions.
We don't know the total for the other games, either.We do not know the total amount of DAI copies sold.
This board is really strange as well, nearly every forum I visit loves the game despite some problems but here you would swear Bioware personally killed people's first born children going by the reactions
It's bound to happen for a couple reasons. Online communities, especially ones like this, that allow fan interaction, can be great. They also don't usually make up the general demographic of fans, they're usually the most loyal, or the most passionate, or the most invested. That investment is both awesome, and frustrating; on one hand you have people that really and truly care, and on the other hand you have people that feel personally slighted when they take issues with something. It's all a balancing act.
Some people here have been Bio Ware, or Western RPG fans for longer than some other users have been alive. That investment can lead them to them becoming the most frustrated.
This board is really strange as well, nearly every forum I visit loves the game despite some problems but here you would swear Bioware personally killed people's first born children going by the reactions.
This is the BSN, a majority of users here suffer from extreme persecution complex disorders. Didn't you know? Bioware is intentionally out to ruin their experience just for the sake of it. Their latest scheme being when they intentionally mixed up the scars and complexions on the inquisitors of PC users. The PC master race has largely been the target of Bioware's nefarious schemes.
I can post my opinion about this game all I want.
You're right, and I never told you what to do. I just stated what I did and that life's too short for hate.
Glad to hear that you have an opinion that you want to share. That is what a forum is for after all. Now try doing it without insulting people, please. I never insulted you in any way, shape or form.
I can post my opinion about this game all I want.
She is not saying you can't. She's saying why would you want to keep coming to a site for a game you hate? You are free to give your opinion but why not spend your time playing or talking about something you love over something you hate? It is just something that I will never get my head around.
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They don't, rpgs have never sold well. You might be able to point out 1 or 2 that have out of the hundreds.
Companies could easily make a fully voice version of planescape torment with dai graphics in 3D and all that jazz. But it won't sell for ****, they'll make a profit of it no doubt as there is a market for it, it's just not enough
He/she is not saying you can't. they are saying why would you want to keep coming to a site for a game you hate? You are free to give your opinion but why not spend your time playing or talking about something you love over something you hate? It is just something that I will never get my head around.
She is fine.
Did NWN flop commercially or were people just enraged that they got the RPG equivalent of a Battlefield campaign with the OC?
This is the BSN, a majority of users here suffer from extreme persecution complex disorders. Didn't you know? Bioware is intentionally out to ruin their experience just for the sake of it. Their latest scheme being when they intentionally mixed up the scars and complexions on the inquisitors of PC users. The PC master race has largely been the target of Bioware's nefarious schemes.
Bioware hates PC players and is trying to make them stop buying their games. They would stop producing PC versions of their games but EA won't let them. 
You must be new to the BSN. Even though Mr. Lee has answered the question, he must be wrong since the "fans' know better than the developers around here.
I'm new to posting regularly, anyway. I guess I wasn't expecting so many to be so invested in a narrative of the game selling poorly despite pretty good evidence to the contrary.
I never played ME3 but it seems it must have been pretty traumatic.
It's bound to happen for a couple reasons. Online communities, especially ones like this, that allow fan interaction, can be great. They also don't usually make up the general demographic of fans, they're usually the most loyal, or the most passionate, or the most invested. That investment is both awesome, and frustrating; on one hand you have people that really and truly care, and on the other hand you have people that feel personally slighted when they take issues with something. It's all a balancing act.
Some people here have been Bio Ware, or Western RPG fans for longer than some other users have been alive. That investment can lead them to them becoming the most frustrated.
I think the people who like to complain also come here to do it because they're hoping that the developers might listen to them. Which they do - sometimes, about some stuff. I think that a lot of the harsher critics spend most of their posting time shooting themselves in the feet, though. Hurling insults and hyperbole around doesn't actually help them make their point.
It's not like there's nothing wrong with Inquisition. I've got a list of things I'd like to see corrected in a patch, or DLC, or in the entirely hypothetical next game. But using every post to say 'BIOWARE SUXXORS THIS GAME IS !@#$' or its equivalent just makes people assume you're a troll and tune out whatever valid argument you were attempting to make.
You're right, and I never told you what to do. I just stated what I did.
Glad to hear that you have an opinion that you want to share. That is what a forum is for after all. Now try doing it without insulting people, please. I never insulted you in any way, shape or form.
Well, you implied that my opinion is garbage and that I should leave the forum. I take that personally. Maybe you should try following your own principles before you start preaching them to others.
I am a (disgruntled) Bioware fan that doesn't like this game and I will state that as often as I feel fit. I will leave when I have completely given up on Bioware. Accept it.
...your social skills are lacking...
Well, you implied that my opinion is garbage and that I should leave the forum. I take that personally.
I am a (disgruntled) Bioware fan that doesn't like this game and I will state that as often as I feel fit. I will leave when I have completely given up on Bioware. Accept it.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember from a group behavior class that people tend to get more and more extreme to stake out leadership positions in like-minded groups.
The moderates tend to get out voiced by extremist from both sides.
That's exactly what I see on this board...bioware groupies and bioware haters get the most attention, and moderates who say, "Well, it was good, but X, Y, and Z could have been better," are largely ignored.
You hopefully had an excellent Sociology teacher, because that's usually how it works in any open forum (not just online ones). The Silent Majority is an old concept, though it's not always that way.
Like many others I'm taking a wait and see approach. I'll gauge things in a couple months, when we have definitive numbers (hopefully). For now the BW post reassured me.
Edit: Andraste_Reborn also brings up another point. Being vocal, kind/courteous and organized is usually the best way to get your voice heard. If enough people yell loud enough, then someone's bound to come check on what the screaming's about (likely in a bad mood). If a group of people are polite, and lay out their faults, and do so with rationality (in the board dedicated to it no less), then the ones who look at it will have a better understanding of what's desired, and are probably much more likely to listen to what's being asked.
Then it becomes a numbers game. Cost versus Time, and how will this affect all users, not just this group.
It's not really worrying considering that Top Ten List. With the exception of Far Cry, if Dragon Age had outsold any of those games it would be a big surprise. I think it's more a consequence of just how stacked November was, and it's great to hear Inquisition is selling well in its own right.
Well, you implied that my opinion is garbage and that I should leave the forum. I take that personally.
I am a (disgruntled) Bioware fan that doesn't like this game and I will state that as often as I feel fit. I will leave when I have completely given up on Bioware. Accept it.
Your opinion as expressed is certainly obnoxious.
Keep on speaking truth to power though.
I think it's silly to really debate about whether or not this game has done well at this point. All of the numbers aren't even in yet, so it's way too early to tell. Plus, with digital sales not currently being accounted for, any current numbers will be based on only part of the sales market. It's really easy to assume that the game is doing well or poorly based on that, and either way could be wrong.
You know, I think I'll wait until after the New Year to really judge about how well the game is doing in sales. Rather than judging less than a month after release with incomplete sales figures.
Bioware hates PC players and is trying to make them stop buying their games. They would stop producing PC versions of their games but EA won't let them.
Yes, that's why Bioware's master plan is to ****** off PC players by deliberately screwing up their version of the game so that the sales numbers will go down and EA will be forced to terminate PC development. It's all part of the 4 point plan. 
I'm new to posting regularly, anyway. I guess I wasn't expecting so many to be so invested in a narrative of the game selling poorly despite pretty good evidence to the contrary.
I never played ME3 but it seems it must have been pretty traumatic.
Oh it wasn't at all, but that's not what they would have you believe. Essentially it's akin to stat wars fans who hold the peculiar belief that they know how the story should go better than the creator. ME3 didn't end the way it was "supposed" to end. A majority of players here come only to complain. The majority of bioware fans are appreciative of their games and largely supportive. We just don't feel the need to make numerous "omgash this game is so guud" threads. Negative mongers on the other hand do. And they feel that since they create numerous threads and posts agreeing with their negative sentiments, that it must be the majority when in fact it's simply a case of vocal minority.
I think the people who like to complain also come here to do it because they're hoping that the developers might listen to them. Which they do - sometimes, about some stuff. I think that a lot of the harsher critics spend most of their posting time shooting themselves in the feet, though. Hurling insults and hyperbole around doesn't actually help them make their point.
It's not like there's nothing wrong with Inquisition. I've got a list of things I'd like to see corrected in a patch, or DLC, or in the entirely hypothetical next game. But using every post to say 'BIOWARE SUXXORS THIS GAME IS !@#$' or its equivalent just makes people assume you're a troll and tune out whatever valid argument you were attempting to make.
I can assure you that people who tend to get their point across using angry and bitter language aren't going to be as well received as those who can put forth their thoughts calmly.
Well, you implied that my opinion is garbage and that I should leave the forum. I take that personally. Maybe you should try following your own principles before you start preaching them to others.
I am a (disgruntled) Bioware fan that doesn't like this game and I will state that as often as I feel fit. I will leave when I have completely given up on Bioware. Accept it.
Troll status: Achieved.
People look for evidence to confirm their biases. If they want to believe the game is doing poorly, they'll grasp at whatever they can find that supports that.I'm new to posting regularly, anyway. I guess I wasn't expecting so many to be so invested in a narrative of the game selling poorly despite pretty good evidence to the contrary.
I never played ME3 but it seems it must have been pretty traumatic.
You're correct. I believe it's called Groupthink. If you are with like minded people, your views become more extreme. If you are with people of the opposite opinion, your views become more moderate.Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember from a group behavior class that people tend to get more and more extreme to stake out leadership positions in like-minded groups.
The moderates tend to get out voiced by extremist from both sides.
That's exactly what I see on this board...bioware groupies and bioware haters get the most attention, and moderates who say, "Well, it was good, but X, Y, and Z could have been better," are largely ignored.
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Hi guys - obviously it's a drag not to see DAI on that top 10 list for November. I can't really give any figures of course...However, from what I know about the sales numbers (a) DAI is doing great and well ahead of it's predecessors, and a significant percentage of sales of DAI are digital and not tracked by NPD. If anything, I'm more worried about the weird signals this chart sends to the market about DAI, as opposed to the reality of our unit sales
damm thanks for telling us this I was really concerned for a bit
DA:I is an incredible game not perfect but in my opinion better than all the games on this Top 10 list
Here's hoping it sells well and we get an expansion and then DA4!
damm thanks for telling us this I was really concerned for a bit
DA:I is an incredible game not perfect but in my opinion better than all the games on this Top 10 listHere's hoping it sells well and we get an expansion and then DA4!
Expansion has been confirmed as not happening, due to the extraordinary costs. Story DLC is in though, so there is that to look forward to. The first of which is a timed exclusive for Xbox one.
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