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[katokires]

Toreador charisma? That's Presence!

I meant charisma as in fabulousness not the blood power xD

[Lavaeolus]

Bah, who needs actual charisma when you can just generate an aura of awe around you? Just as good.

[Lavaeolus]

I have seen many stand confused over the alignment of the Iron Bull. Some of you have called him Chaotic. Some Lawful. Some Good, many Neutral. But it is okay.

Fear not; I am here now to guide you.

Iron Bull time:

Spoiler

Iron Bull is another person set up, initially, to fit a certain alignment. How many times have we seen the merc who stays uninvolved, except in this major situation of "woah, world's gonna explode, guess that'd be bad (usually specifically for me)"? That's generally True Neutral or Lawful Neutral, depending on how anal they are about their contracts. So, which of these two will I argue for? Neither. The audience, shocked, gasps.

You see, Bull is Good. Sure, he stays uninvolved in the affairs of those petty nobles he works for, and okay he tells a funny story about a noble dying to a giant and isn't too broken up over it. But Bull would never take an Evil job, like "go kill some orphans". He objects very much to killing innocents, and this is one of his main objections to most Tal'Vasoth. Fair enough, this would just forbid an Evil classification. I said he was Good. So what Good things has Bull done? Plenty. Iron Bull saved Krem, losing an eye in the processs, selflessly. At the time, he didn't know who he was aside from maybe some random Vint. This was no isolated incident: talk to Gatt during Bull's personal quest and he'll tell you how he joined the Qun... after Bull saved him from slavery. Back during his Qun days, he was one of the greatest defenders during the constant fighting, saving countless lives. These elements combined cement him as Good.

With this matter concluded, we must come to decide Bull's place on that ever-poorly-defined Lawful/Chaos axis. Bull, of course, is Qunari, and not just by race. Bull is constantly worried about becoming uncivilised and savage. Although not exactly shoving the Qun down people's throats, Bull believes every place has its own system. He believes in purpose, and puts close ties to "familial" relationships. A strong sense of loyalty runs between him and the Chargers, the type that can only be generated by a strong Lawful leader. The only thing that can overcome this loyalty is possibly loyalty to another thing, which is why his personal quest has such a difficult (for him) choice. For these reasons, I shall brand him Lawful, in spite of his boisterous, fun-loving, chaotically destructive (concerning combat at least) nature.

It is important to remember, at this time, that Lawful Good comes in many shades, from the stereotypical Paladin, to Sam Vimes, to occasionally Batman, to Maker knows how many entirely different brands.

Now, go, in peace. Enjoy enlightenment.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

I wouldn't exactly call Cole good, he's a ex serial killer turned creepy mind rapist

[Lavaeolus]

Cole's sole desire is to help people. He's, frankly, too simple in nature to be anything but Neutral Good. Previously his nature's been... distorted, hence serial killing, not very pleasant, but hey! In the past now, right? He's pretty adamant if he starts doing it again, you should kill him with his blessing. Fair's fair.

As for the mind raping, not sure how that effects in D&D terms. He may be mistaken, just leaving people to forget may cause harm and prevent people from developing, living with the pain, etc. but the only motive behind it is "helping". Compassion, all that.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Cole's sole desire is to help people. He's, frankly, too simple in nature to be anything but Neutral Good. Previously his nature's been... distorted, hence serial killing, not very pleasant, but hey! In the past now, right? He's pretty adamant if he starts doing it again, you should kill him with his blessing. Fair's fair.

As for the mind raping, not sure how that effects in D&D terms. He may be mistaken, just leaving people to forget may cause harm and prevent people from developing, living with the pain, etc. but the only motive behind it is "helping". Compassion, all that.

Id probably call him more neutral, he thinks he's helping but thats not always the case

[Hornless Qunari/Human DPS]

Cole is True Neutral its the way he acts and feels.

[Notshauna]

Stopped here.

A lot of my reasoning is in the fact that there are clear cut definitions in DnD as to what defines an evil act. Someone can be evil while always working towards the greater good as DnD is very strict as to what is evil and what isn't where as real systems are more flexible. I particular I use the line from Book of Vile Darkness as follows:

 

She might seek to dominate the world and bring its people under her unyielding fist. But such a despot could also believe that she is a good person and that the world will be better off with her guidance. This attitude makes her no less a villain.

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DnD morality is black and white and has clearly defined evil acts, and while a singular evil act doesn't make you evil repeated evil actions DO.

[Lavaeolus]

Id probably call him more neutral, he thinks he's helping but thats not always the case

Regardless of his actual skill to follow through, the attempt's still there. And generally, most of what he does is pretty nice. Going around, stopping fights breaking out, allowing a soldier to die with the thoughts of home, providing a steady supply of resources (spiderwebs) for use as medicine.

You can have a whole heap of flaws and not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but it doesn't negate a Good alignment if you're utterly devoted to altruism, helping people and so on.

[abearzi]

DA:O

Alistair: Lawful Good. Unless you harden him, he's just the quintessential nice-guy. He wants to help the world, give his sister money.

Barkspawn: True Neutral; Woof. Or Chaotic Good; I put a half-eaten rabbit in your underwear because I love you!

Leliana: Neutral Good if she's unhardened, Chaotic Neutral if hardened, since the Bards are just about self-promotion and that of their patrons.

Morrigan: Chaotic Neutral since she is about basically live-and-let-live, and really just looks down on everyone and is content to ignore them so long as they leave her alone. She does try to horde power, but not really to harm others.

Oghren: Chaotic Neutral, but only since "Chaotic Drunk" isn't an option. He does want to help Branka, but is more concerned with drinking and brawling. Oh Oghren, I miss you.

Shale: True Neutral. Equally content to smash birds or darkspawn. Willing to help save the world, but also laughs at misfortunes of fleshy creatures. 

Sten: Neutral Good if you're a fan of the Qun. Probably Lawful Evil if not.

Wynne: Neutral Good. 

Zevran: Chaotic Neutral. As a Crow he just worked for money, no personal bias involved. But as a companion he's...well still CN, since he has just sworn to serve the Warden, and so is indifferent to who he has to kill.

Loghain: Lawful Neutral. The common good at any cost, whatever the price.

 

DA:A

Anders: Chaotic Neutral. **** it, if I don't have to go back to the Circle I'll fireball whatever you want.

Justice: Lawful Good.

Nathaniel Howe: Chaotic Neutral. I am not my father, I just want to live and not be weighed down by my family's name.

Sigrun: Chaotic Good, with a side of Chaotic Evil. She's Legion of the Dead so she has already died for all the Dwarven peoples, but also, those trinkets aren't gonna steal themselves!

Velanna: Chaotic Good if you're pro-dalish. Chaotic Evil if not.

 

DA:II

Anders/Vengence: Chaotic Good until he blows up the ****** Chantry when he goes all Chaotic Neutral. Catalyze change, even if he has to kill a bunch of people, and any change is better than what we have now.

Aveline: Lawful Good. 

Bethany: Neutral Good.

Carver: Lawful Neutral. 

Fenris: Chaotic Neutral. Break away and kill Tevinters on sight. Also, going all temple-of-doom on people.

Isabela: Chaotic Neutral. Sure she won't trade slaves, but she also caused all the damn problems of the Qunari by stealing their **** in the first place!

Merrill: Chaotic Good. Oh Blood Magic! Oh Pretty flowers! Oh, did someone say something dirty again?

Sebastian: Lawful Good. 

Varric: Chaotic Good. I'll spend a bunch of money and seedy contacts to make sure Merrill stays safe at night.

 

DA:I

Blackwall: Lawful Neutral. Follow orders, even if those orders are reprehensible.

Cassandra: Lawful Good. 

Cole: Neutral Good. All the matters is helping people, in any way possible.

Dorian: Chaotic Good. My countrymen are imbeciles but not without hope. If I must be a pariah to help them, so be it. 

Iron Bull: Lawful Good if you're a fan of the Qun, Lawful Evil if you don't like the Qun.

Sera: Chaotic Neutral. Help the poor, but **** with everyone else just for fun.

Solas: Neutral Good. Even if the world does not accept me, I will still try to save it. Although...

Spoiler

Once you learn it was his orb that caused all these damn problems...for some reason, probably Chaotic Neutral.

Vivienne: Neutral Evil. Nothing matters except maintaining the status quo for her own benefit.

[celebrei]

Corypheus - Neutral Evil

Celene - Lawful Evil

Archdemon(s) - Chaotic Evil

[vertigomez]

Since we're addressing previous games as well...

BHELEN. Neutral Evil. Reforms are great, and I have to love him 'cause he's my Brosca's brother-in-law... but still, "Evil cheats. That's its nature. It does whatever unscrupulous or immoral thing it has to do to in order to win."

I have seen many stand confused over the alignment of the Iron Bull. Some of you have called him Chaotic. Some Lawful. Some Good, many Neutral. But it is okay.Fear not; I am here now to guide you.Iron Bull time:

Spoiler

Iron Bull is another person set up, initially, to fit a certain alignment. How many times have we seen the merc who stays uninvolved, except in this major situation of "woah, world's gonna explode, guess that'd be bad (usually specifically for me)"? That's generally True Neutral or Lawful Neutral, depending on how anal they are about their contracts. So, which of these two will I argue for? Neither. The audience, shocked, gasps.You see, Bull is Good. Sure, he stays uninvolved in the affairs of those petty nobles he works for, and okay he tells a funny story about a noble dying to a giant and isn't too broken up over it. But Bull would never take an Evil job, like "go kill some orphans". He objects very much to killing innocents, and this is one of his main objections to most Tal'Vasoth. Fair enough, this would just forbid an Evil classification. I said he was Good. So what Good things has Bull done? Plenty. Iron Bull saved Krem, losing an eye in the processs, selflessly. At the time, he didn't know who he was aside from maybe some random Vint. This was no isolated incident: talk to Gatt during Bull's personal quest and he'll tell you how he joined the Qun... after Bull saved him from slavery. Back during his Qun days, he was one of the greatest defenders during the constant fighting, saving countless lives. These elements combined cement him as Good.With this matter concluded, we must come to decide Bull's place on that ever-poorly-defined Lawful/Chaos axis. Bull, of course, is Qunari, and not just by race. Bull is constantly worried about becoming uncivilised and savage. Although not exactly shoving the Qun down people's throats, Bull believes every place has its own system. He believes in purpose, and puts close ties to "familial" relationships. A strong sense of loyalty runs between him and the Chargers, the type that can only be generated by a strong Lawful leader. The only thing that can overcome this loyalty is possibly loyalty to another thing, which is why his personal quest has such a difficult (for him) choice. For these reasons, I shall brand him Lawful, in spite of his boisterous, fun-loving, chaotically destructive (concerning combat at least) nature.It is important to remember, at this time, that Lawful Good comes in many shades, from the stereotypical Paladin, to Sam Vimes, to occasionally Batman, to Maker knows how many entirely different brands.

Now, go, in peace. Enjoy enlightenment.

c'mere you

[kegNeggs]

Loving this, let's see

 

Dorian: Neutral Good (with a wonderfully humourous side)

Varric: Chaotic Good

Sera: Chaotic Stupid, as someone so wonderfully put it

IB: Lawful Neutral under the Qun, Chaotic Good under the Chargers

Vivienne: Lawful Evil..

Cassandra: Lawful Neutral

Leliana: Chaotic Chaotic Neutral

Cullen: Neutral Good

Blackwall: Chaotic Good..

Solas: Tries to pass off as True Neutral, but is probably so much more.Chaotic Evil, judging on the Spoilers

Cole: Neutral Good

Josephine: Lawful Goodish?

 

 

[vertigomez]

Loving this, let's see
 
Dorian: Neutral Good (with a wonderfully humourous side)
Varric: Chaotic Good
Sera: Chaotic Stupid, as someone so wonderfully put it
IB: Lawful Neutral under the Qun, Chaotic Good under the Chargers
Vivienne: Lawful Evil..
Cassandra: Lawful Neutral
Leliana: Chaotic Chaotic Neutral
Cullen: Neutral Good
Blackwall: Chaotic Good..
Solas: Tries to pass off as True Neutral, but is probably so much more.Chaotic Evil, judging on the Spoilers
Cole: Neutral Good
Josephine: Lawful Goodish?

Gotta voice some strooong disagreement about Cass, here. She's very much a Good character.

And even knowing what we know about Solas I'd hardly call him Evil.

[Barathos]

Loving this, let's see

 

Dorian: Neutral Good (with a wonderfully humourous side)

Varric: Chaotic Good

Sera: Chaotic Stupid, as someone so wonderfully put it

IB: Lawful Neutral under the Qun, Chaotic Good under the Chargers

Vivienne: Lawful Evil..

Cassandra: Lawful Neutral

Leliana: Chaotic Chaotic Neutral

Cullen: Neutral Good

Blackwall: Chaotic Good..

Solas: Tries to pass off as True Neutral, but is probably so much more.Chaotic Evil, judging on the Spoilers

Cole: Neutral Good

Josephine: Lawful Goodish?

Yay! Another Lawful Evil Vivienne!

[dsajorje3]

Hmm. My list for now:

 

Viv: Lawful evil- She's kind've a Game of Thrones manipulator character, if she wasn't lawful I would  think she was just evil, leaving only neutral evil left(I mean she casually kills a guy at her home)

 

Blackwall: Aspires to Lawful Good, but really Neutral Good because he believes in giving people a 2nd chance, so he's flexible with his judgments

 

Cass/Cullen: Lawful neutral/good?-I think Cass's VA or one of the developers says she's willing the drag the world kicking and screaming to bring order back, the neutral part is that she understands the inquisitor has to make tough choices and tries not to blame them. Cullen sees flaws in both templars and mages but is pretty reasonable now(even iron bull claims they're lawful but can't tell if they'd stay neutral if forced to submit to Qun or good for the chantry)

 

Leliana:(Inquisition)Chaotic neutral, maybe Chaotic good if unhardened

 

Iron Bull: chaotic good(tries to be lawful neutral)

Varric:Neutral(doesn't give a crap)

Sera: Chaotic Neutral(sees herself as chaotic good)

Solas:Seems Neutral but comes off as Chaotic Good eventually

 

Cole-Neutral Good/Lawful Good depending on personal mission

 

Dorian:Neutral, possibly chaotic good depending on what you suggest he does at end of game(Doesn't really care/approve of anything non-mage and doesn't try to make change otherwise)

Josie-Not sure

[Shadow Fox]

Hmm...

 

Chaotic Good:

 

Sera

Varric

Solas

Dorian

Blackwall

Cole

 

Lawful Good:

 

Cassandra

Cullen

Iron Bull

Josephine

 

Neutral:

 

Leliana

Vivienne

[Basement Cat]

Alright. I'll have a go.

 

Cassandra: Lawful good. She has a true desire to help people, but she believes in order too. She is willing to change the rules, but not to get rid of them entirely.

Blackwall:

Spoiler

Used to be lawful neutral as a chevalier, turned lawful good in his effort to atone

Iron Bull: I would think lawful neutral or true neutral depending on the outcome of his personal quest.

 

 

Cole: neutral good. He wants to help people above all else. He makes mistakes and can be creepy, but he means well.

Sera: Chaotic neutral. She says she wants to help the little people, but there's plenty of selfishness too. She says her favorite part is getting paid.

Varric: Neutral good. He hates to see people hurt and he will follow or bend the rules based on what gets results.

 

 

Vivienne: Lawful evil. I mean 'evil' in the sense that she is looking out for herself first and foremost. Her motives are not altruistic or for the greater good. She needs a system in place so she can be at the top. She's not outright malicious, but she doesn't really care about people either.

Solas: True neutral. He is as close to a druid as I've ever seen. He is all about things being in their proper place so balance is maintained. Good and evil, law and chaos all have a place in the world as far as he is concerned.

Dorian: Wavering between lawful and neutral good. He wants to reform his homeland because it's corrupt, but not necessarily throw order out of the window. He will need to break a few rules along the way, but that's because he wants to change the rules.

 

 

Leliana: Depends on her personal quest. If softened: Neutral good. Peaceful reformer. If hardened: True neutral. Does a lot of nasty stuff for the greater good.

Josephine: Lawful neutral. She follows the rules pretty strictly and she is willing to destroy a marriage to get results (in a war table mission). Just because the rules allow for this sort of shenanigans doesn't mean she doesn't follow them. The way she potentially handles that noble in Haven also shows a willingness to use scare tactics (she suggests setting up a duel against Cassandra).

Cullen: Lawful good. He wants to do what's right and turns his back on an organization that abused its power to harm innocents. He has a pretty strict personal code.