Why would I exile the wardens. They are needed in blights, and who knows when and where the next one will hit.
People keep saying this
Everyone knows what the word exile means right?
It does not mean wipe from the face of Thedas
Those exiled Wardens will be perfectly capable of combating the Blight
if they are even still in exile when the next Blight happens
or alive
And really, in Thedas what group hasn't made a bad decisions? Everyone from the Little Folk to the Dalish elves to the Chantry to the Qunari have all done some bad things in the realm of morally grey.
In the end, the Grey Wardens do what they do to stop the Blight. They don't it for personal vengeance, they don't do it for their religion or their ideology, they don't do it for personal gain. They do it to the stop the Blight, which is the greatest evil we have seen so far in the setting so far in terms of sheer chaos, destruction and devastation. Therefore any dodgy decisions the Wardens do make, whilst they could be considered evil, are justified due to their end goal which is as pure as they come.
People keep saying this
Everyone knows what the word exile means right?
It does not mean wipe from the face of Thedas
Those exiled Wardens will be perfectly capable of combating the Blight
if they are even still in exile when the next Blight happens
or alive
Forgive me for asking (haven't completed DAI), where are exiled to? It just seems like they should be allowed in all parts of the world. Without telephones/cellphones, they cannot alert others across the countries in an instant so it would take days/weeks to ride to nearest outpost. If they are exiled from Thedas, that's too far but maybe from a country.. And if a Blight starts there, they are going to be upset.
They're sent back to Weisshaupt.
Forgive me for asking (haven't completed DAI), where are exiled to? It just seems like they should be allowed in all parts of the world. Without telephones/cellphones, they cannot alert others across the countries in an instant so it would take days/weeks to ride to nearest outpost. If they are exiled from Thedas, that's too far but maybe from a country.. And if a Blight starts there, they are going to be upset.
That is very nice in theory
But there isn't always a Blight
life goes on
And if you have a large fighting force (many of whom were plucked from the gallows and other unsavory places)
running amok making life miserable and dangerous for people then they need to be dealt with.
Again everyone is aware Wardens are needed to fight the Blight but that doesn't mean they should be able to do whatever they want with no repercussions
as punishments go for almost completly f-ing up the entire world exile seems pretty reasonable
also an aside on my parenthetical remark, some people hear "Warden" and they think Alistar and HoF
well there are undoubtedly quite a few, for lack of a better word, "evil" wardens
their backgrounds and mandate makes that inevitable
Becauuuuuuuuse the game doesn't give you that option?
I mean, jesus wept, dude.
And I get the idea that the Wardens are working with Cory from the scenes that explicitly show the Wardens working with Cory. Like, when they helped Cory set up Justinia for sacrifice. For example. Plus working for the Venatori, who are working for Cory. For another example.
Cory can influence Wardens that are close to him, like those shown in Fade being right next to Cory. Or they were mages being mind-controlled. Unless being mind-controlled or being influenced by Cory since they were close to him, is now the same as working with Cory? Or being tricked by a Tevinter Mage that they didn't even know is a Venatori is the same as working with the Venatori? The Wardens probably don't even know about the Venatori. And they thought Cory is dead. How do you work for a dead guy?
If the Wardens were shown to willingly work with the Venatori, or Cory (which is stupid considering that he's a DARKSPAWN that is trying to destroy the world), then go ahead and exile them. But they're were tricked and mind-controlled to do all those stuff. How do you see any of that as the Wardens actually working with Cory to destroy the world? What good do the Wardens get out of that?
People keep saying this
Everyone knows what the word exile means right?
It does not mean wipe from the face of Thedas
Those exiled Wardens will be perfectly capable of combating the Blight
if they are even still in exile when the next Blight happens
or alive
If you actually watch the epilogue -- Exiling the wardens puts the order in the brink of collapsing/disbanding/disappearing.
So yea, exiling them does mean "you wipe them from the face of Thedas"
That is very nice in theory
But there isn't always a Blight
life goes on
And if you have a large fighting force (many of whom were plucked from the gallows and other unsavory places)
running amok making life miserable and dangerous for people then they need to be dealt with.
Again everyone is aware Wardens are needed to fight the Blight but that doesn't mean they should be able to do whatever they want with no repercussions
as punishments go for almost completly f-ing up the entire world exile seems pretty reasonable
also an aside on my parenthetical remark, some people hear "Warden" and they think Alistar and HoF
well there are undoubtedly quite a few, for lack of a better word, "evil" wardens
their backgrounds and mandate makes that inevitable
Wardens Order is not that big. There is always some "evil" person in any rank, or Order, or group, there is no helping that.
Can you really punish a guy for getting tricked to do something bad while he thought he is doing good? Or can you punish him for being mind-controlled and cannot control his actions? Or do you give him to a 2nd chance to redeem himself?
The problem is really...gray...the choices given in the game is more like white and black. The Adamant plot itself is already horrible imo, so I guess the choices reflect on that.
They're sent back to Weisshaupt.
That is very nice in theory
But there isn't always a Blight
life goes on
And if you have a large fighting force (many of whom were plucked from the gallows and other unsavory places)
running amok making life miserable and dangerous for people then they need to be dealt with.
Again everyone is aware Wardens are needed to fight the Blight but that doesn't mean they should be able to do whatever they want with no repercussions
as punishments go for almost completly f-ing up the entire world exile seems pretty reasonable
also an aside on my parenthetical remark, some people hear "Warden" and they think Alistar and HoF
well there are undoubtedly quite a few, for lack of a better word, "evil" wardens
their backgrounds and mandate makes that inevitable
Well, I guess that is not too bad. Isn't that their "headquarters"? Considering they could at least have the Order send agents out to conscript every now and then until a blight, they could amass forces? I'm trying to look at the bright side if Wardens being exiled was canon or chosen.
The Wardens are the main power in the Anderfels and the exile only applies to Ferelden and Orlais. That leaves Nevarra, the Free Marches, Antiva, Rivain, and Tevinter for them to operate in. It certainly isn't the end of the Order and the exile could be lifted after the threat from Corypheus has passed. The Wardens would certainly jump at the chance to come back.
It's not the terrible punishment that some people here seem to think it is. The only real downside of it is
Oh and I banished them again. Couple of little things, the newspaper thing in Skyhold says the Inquisitor banishes them "forever more" from Orlais. Of course, that doesn't really change that it could be rescinded. Another interesting thing is that I allied with the Qunari this time and Iron Bull tells me the Ben-Hassrath are "taking out" any Wardens who haven't left Orlais yet, on my behalf. Oh well.
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That mind control/I was taking orders mess is some garbage. There's no mind-control if she doesn't make the decision to control demons. It's specifically stated that ONLY mages that summoned demons were mind-controlled. What about the rest? There's a reason some of them will fight with you. The wardens know they are wrong that is why they join. A small minority of them were mind-controlled. Clarel also ordered the first blood without mind-control because somebody had to start the process. People are making excuses for their infamous actions. Please somebody tell Ser Jory's children were forced to grow up without him simply because he changed his mind about wanting to be a warden that the wardens are always heroes.
Yeah so, I just got to the part where you meet up with Hawke/Warden in the Western Approach and find out what's up with the Wardens.
Cory didn't mind control them. This plan, the blood magic, the demon summoning... is entirely of their own free will. They were scared, and Clarel said "hey guyz lets summon an army of demons!" and the other wardens were like "LOLSURE THAT SOUNDS KEWL."
There's no mind control. Give it up. The Wardens deserve worse than exile, but sadly, that's the worst you can do to them. So it will have to suffice.
I agree, I don't think they were mind controlled. Cory only put the calling into their heads and made them desperate enough to do what they did. I think the GW are stupid and deserve punishment for what they did, but if the only punishment is exile or disbandment then I can't take it.
I mostly just let the Grey Wardens stay because my Inquisition was desperate for legitimacy after having allied itself with the mages, and having the Wardens on my side seemed like it would be a useful propaganda tool.
I mostly just let the Grey Wardens stay because the Inquisition was desperate for legitimacy at the time, and having the Wardens on my side seemed like it could be a useful propaganda tool.
I let them go because I might need them as allies later. Not only that but if there's ever another Blight they Grey Wardens are going to be needed, especially if the Blight starts in the south.
If you actually watch the epilogue -- Exiling the wardens puts the order in the brink of collapsing/disbanding/disappearing.
So yea, exiling them does mean "you wipe them from the face of Thedas"
nope
that isn't what that means
on the brink isn't the same as over
In my game I preserved the Wardens for a number of reasons, however I got the bulk of them killed at the War Table, however I'm sure that all of them aren't dead, I mean Alister must still be alive among other wardens, there's probably only a handful of Wardens now like in Origins so the Order could rebuild right?
My first Inquisitor didn't exile them since they are needed for Blights (though obviously, she doesn't know why). The trouble with saying 'they can come back' is that if it's a couple of centuries before the next Blight, that's a different set of rulers in a country, the Wardens losing their presence and significance there, their resources, etc. Being exiled didn't do Ferelden much good in DAO (without the Warden, it would've overrun the whole country. There's also the possibility that they could still be useful to the Inquisition in some capacity. Also, if they're in danger of being in Corypheus' thrall no matter where they go, it may be better to have them close by and keep an eye on them.
That said, I can definitely understand the counter-argument of exiling them.
Because I can always use more cannon fodder to throw at Red Templars and demons?
Besides a Warden can stop an arrow or demon claws just as well as a good red blooded Inquisition soldier, and that means one of mine gets to live instead.
At first I Was all behind exiling them, because if you don't your people complain about them being corrupted. But what's to stop them getting messed up if you exile them? The epilogue says they pretty much go 'extinct' without elaborating on it much. Could have been Corypheus's peeps from before the game actually ended.
Exiling essentially just lets them off the hook. "Wow you guys almost destroyed the world, so just go away."
Also, the whole 'only mind controlling mages' thing was weird to me. So they cast a spell to bind a demon which also happens to also bind themselves to Corypheus? Given the cutscene in the fade, this means Corypheus was doing this before the Conclave. Why did he need the Wardens then? Did he already have the whole Demon Army plan in reserve?
Also sorry for reviving a 2 week old thread.
1. I don't want to create conflict with the Wardens. I doubt the First Warden would be happy with me exiling a couple hundred of his Wardens out of Orlais. The Codex says the First Warden is more concerned with politics than guarding humanity, so taking his influence out of Orlais is going to ****** him off.
2. If some Blight starts in Orlais or somewhere in that area, I would want to have Wardens standing guard. The next Blight could happen a decade or a century from now. By that time the leadership in Orlais and in the Orlesian Wardens would change. These same people who fell into corruption would not remain Wardens forever. Eventually better recruits, better Wardens will take their place.
3. I need more bodies in the army vs army that happened...somewhere, sometime.
4. If I ****** off the Wardens, I was afraid I might cross paths with the Hero of Ferelden or Alistair. And I'm sure both those guys will be pissed at me. And honestly, I like HoF a hell of a lot more than my Inquisitor.
Lastly, I knew I was going to kick Corypheus' ass by the time all this is over even before I saw the ending. There was absolutely no way Corypheus was going to win, so I didn't need to take into account corruption in the long term.
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