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[cljqnsnyc]

Yep, how soon we forget our father bleeding out on the floor with Duncan saying "I can save your child, but only if you agree that they become a Warden". How quickly they forget, indeed.

That wasn't my father. I ONLY play mages. I never knew my dad. So for me, the Wardens are okay in my book. Sorry for your papa bleeding out, but you still managed to escape didn't you? 

 

..and how did you manage that?

 

Oh yeah, Duncan, a Grey Warden.

 

Even so, everything I said is still true, dad bleeding out or not.

[Phoe77]

It doesn't seem like wardens are particularly susceptible to Corypheus unless they're in close proximity to him.  I'm fairly sure that one of the advisers even makes a point of saying that they'll be kept away from Corypheus and even the Venatori (it might also have been in a war table mission though).  They're still perfectly able to combat red templars or darkspawn.   

 

Regarding the order as a whole, I'm not naive enough to think that they're white knights or paragons of morality, but I do think that they're largely good.   Clarel did something stupid, but I never got the sense that she came to the decision easily or that it was for anything other than the benefit of the world.  That doesn't excuse her choice, but it's enough to convince me that the wardens are worth preserving.  

Of course, they could benefit from some reforms, just like every other organization that we see in Thedas.

[Bethgael]

Safer to banish them, at least temporarily, I thought. You were told Corypheus might still be able to influence them, and they'd lost a lot of members already. No point losing the rest of them as well.

 

This, pretty much, I agree with. The Wardens clearly need to be kept away from Cory. Unfortunately, you can't say "temporarily" in-game, which annoyed me. A problem with the writing, IMO.

 

Also, the choice doesn't matter. Not in the final battle--you fight Wardens anyhow, Cory jumps into a Warden, anyhow--and not for the story as it may continue post-DA:I. At the end of the game, either way.... well, it doesn't matter. It's clear Bioware are trying to either remove Warden influence from the game universe or set us up for heading north-west. Either way, it's all about Weisshaupt "going silent" (because it was so vocal to date *eyeroll*).

 

But to answer the OP:

 

However, the Inquisitor has to be careful, which may give reasons to pause and think. At the time of this quest, Quizzie doesn't know the dragon Cory has is not an Archdemon or that Cory uses Wardens to resurrect himself. They are, as far as anyone knows, the only ones who can kill an Archdemon (and if Alistair is The Warden, he says that outright to you).

 

Also, if you exile the Wardens, you are essentially exiling the Hero of Ferelden (Fereldens might take exception at their saviour being chucked out of his/her own country--especially if s/he is their Queen or Prince-Consort--also, Cullen's only alive because of the HoF. He might, also, take exception, and in most imported versions, you'd probably annoy your Spymaster, too) and, possibly, strictly speaking, the King of Ferelden as well if you've imported an Ali as King. You can make exceptions (you can for Blackwall), but in-game, you actually don't (except for Blackwall).

 

Also, again, at Adamant--many Wardens were missing--not all succumbed or obeyed (no Nathaniel, even if he's in an imported save, no Oghren--no dwarf Wardens at all, in fact--no Carver/Bethany, no anyone else from Amaranthine/Awakening) and so exiling them all for Clarel's error could be considered akin to Meredith punishing all mages for Anders'.

 

Also, you are told it was the Nightmare that created the fake Calling. Cory can influence if close enough (see Legacy) but not the whole lot, without help. You just castrated the Nightmare. No more false Calling.

[Addai]

He didn't just jump into any Warden's body though. He jumped into Larius. Larius was nearing the end of his true Calling, not the fake one Cory was mimicking. I don't think it's confirmed that Cory can body-hop through any Warden. I think the degree to which they are tainted has a great deal to do with it.

You see him body hop at the Temple of Mythal. In dialogue it's mentioned a couple times that he can jump to any blighted creature. That's why you kill his dragon, to disrupt his ability to do so for a time.

[Monica21]

You see him body hop at the Temple of Mythal. In dialogue it's mentioned a couple times that he can jump to any blighted creature. That's why you kill his dragon, to disrupt his ability to do so for a time.

 

If you exile the Wardens, how can there be a Warden to body hop to at the Temple of Mythal?

[Addai]

If you exile the Wardens, how can there be a Warden to body hop to at the Temple of Mythal?

The Inquisitor makes a comment at one point in the Arbor Wilds, after you fight some Wardens there, "these must be the last of the Wardens Corypheus corrupted."

[Ryzaki]

More bodies to throw at Corypheus that's why.

 

Considering that he can body hop into those bodies is that really a bonus?

[Lewie]

The first darkspawn uses the calling.

[Monica21]

The Inquisitor makes a comment at one point in the Arbor Wilds, after you fight some Wardens there, "these must be the last of the Wardens Corypheus corrupted."

 

Well, that's what I get for only having one complete playthrough. This is not a reference to the Wardens Erimond corrupted through the ritual? If that's the exact phrase it seems oddly specific and seems to exclude Wardens like Loghain/Stroud/Alistair.

[Addai]

Well, that's what I get for only having one complete playthrough. This is not a reference to the Wardens Erimond corrupted through the ritual? If that's the exact phrase it seems oddly specific and seems to exclude Wardens like Loghain/Stroud/Alistair.

Not all are mages, so it can't all be bound Wardens. At least, I seem to recall a burly Senior Warden warrior among them. Wardens serving Corypheus still, anyway.

[In Exile]

He didn't just jump into any Warden's body though. He jumped into Larius. Larius was nearing the end of his true Calling, not the fake one Cory was mimicking. I don't think it's confirmed that Cory can body-hop through any Warden. I think the degree to which they are tainted has a great deal to do with it.

Of Janeka. He can leap into hers just as easily and she wasn't that tainted. I mean she was more senior but clearly not ghoulish

[SurelyForth]

 

Also, again, at Adamant--many Wardens were missing--not all succumbed or obeyed (no Nathaniel, even if he's in an imported save, no Oghren--no dwarf Wardens at all, in fact--no Carver/Bethany, no anyone else from Amaranthine/Awakening) and so exiling them all for Clarel's error could be considered akin to Meredith punishing all mages for Anders'.

 

 

Exiling the Wardens is nothing like Meredith calling for the Rite/Right, because that traded a single guilty party for the death of innocents while the decision to exile the Wardens just ships a bunch of people who might be a liability to someplace where they won't interfere for a while. Plus, we have no idea what the verdict is on Grey Wardens not at Adamant- the exile doesn't seem to impact the Hero or Warden Bethany/Carver at all.

[Monica21]

Of Janeka. He can leap into hers just as easily and she wasn't that tainted. I mean she was more senior but clearly not ghoulish

 

Just to check, if you sided with Janeka is that who Bianca mentions in the Varric's personal quest? It is a Keep choice, so now I'm extra curious.

[phaonica]

Just to check, if you sided with Janeka is that who Bianca mentions in the Varric's personal quest? It is a Keep choice, so now I'm extra curious.

 

I found this on Youtube. The answer seems to be yes.

 

http://youtu.be/RgaLvsCgNOc?t=3m50s

[xJLxKing]

Lol at the Cory can control wardens

I'm sure that's how Cory was captured. He controlled the wardens and made them seal him

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Lol at the Cory can control wardens

I'm sure that's how Cory was captured. He controlled the wardens and made them seal him

You are aware that the Codex states he tried to control them to free him after he was sealed?

[robertthebard]

Lol at the Cory can control wardens

I'm sure that's how Cory was captured. He controlled the wardens and made them seal him

Someone wasn't paying attention. Go hit up a run of Legacy, and actually pay attention to the dialog, come back and let us know what you've learned.

[perfect_victime]

I can't see why anyone would unless they are romancing someone like Solas. You pretty much kill them all on the War Map quest anyway.

[Monica21]

I can't see why anyone would unless they are romancing someone like Solas. You pretty much kill them all on the War Map quest anyway.

There are reasons to make in-game, RP decisions that don't have anything to do with, "Will my boyfriend disapprove?" And my Wardens didn't get wiped out. Seems you picked the wrong advisors.

[Stelae]

I can't see why anyone would unless they are romancing someone like Solas. You pretty much kill them all on the War Map quest anyway.

Not if you're careful; most of mine survived, and then went North with their honour restored.

[In Exile]

Lol at the Cory can control wardens

I'm sure that's how Cory was captured. He controlled the wardens and made them seal him

 

They seem to have used non-Wardens to capture his ass. 

[Matroska]

Don't forget Sophia Dryden asking for demons to be summoned and finally getting possessed herself. Plus, depending on how you played your Warden, they could've been a complete ******* that practiced blood magic (which Wardens are canonically not against) and was an ******* to everyone he or she met. The Wardens' Joining ritual is also a form of blood magic and they acknowledge they shouldn't let the Chantry know what it entails for that reason. I also still can't really get over how casually Duncan killed the other recruit in DAO just because he had second thoughts.

[MoonDrummer]

Blood magic isn't inherently evil

[KaiserShep]

But it is kinda gross.

 

This artifact requires great power to be activated. Hold on. [slits wrist]

 

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