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[wright1978]

I'd personally have liked a third option that they lay low in Ferelden. I didn't agree with banishment of the whole order based on the mistake of a scared select few.

Using them sparingly as allies seemed a better option to me.

[Kierro Ren]

My Warden-Commander Amell, would be rightfully pissed about what The Warden's were doing. As he went through this crap with Avernus. He'd of seriously knocked some heads, especially since he had more right there, than Hawke. But... I'm not sure if exile's the answer. The 4th Blight was what 200-300 years before the 5th, who's to say number 6th isn't in the next 5 years. 2 Dragons left (technically three if you include Kieran), and the Darkspawn may already be at the next.

 

Mike Laidlaw even said, the right choices will turn out bad later and the bad, will later be rewarding. If you have the Warden's join, and do War Table quests, you can end up killing alot of them. Or, maybe exiling's the good idea, but bad out come. We won't really know till, DLCs or future DAs. 

[OdanUrr]

How many times have the Grey Wardens saved the people from Thedas in spite of them? One need only look back to DAO. And we would dismiss them entirely because of a single mistake? If the Wardens had applied that criteria, the Blight would have taken everyone long ago. Granted, it was a dumb move and I wanted to tell them so (but couldn't) but as a representative of Thedas I cannot stand all high and mighty and refuse them a second chance.

[Taura-Tierno]

The whole idea of keeping just 1 warden seems rather risky, even assuming you could create one just like that when it's needed during the blights. You'd need to ensure that the knowledge of creating wardens does not get lost - the best way for that is to have the order remain. It would be highly advantageous to keep them around for the special training in how to fight darkspawn, and having an army of people immune to the Blight might come in handy. 

Not to mention, if you have only 1 warden to kill the archdemon, one stray arrow, lightning bolt or blast of corrupted fire would end any chance of stopping the Blight. 

It seems especially bad to banish them from Orlais in particular, since Lusacan seems to be buried somewhere under the Western Approach. Rather close to home ...

[Shahadem]

I didn't exile because there was absolutely no evidence that Corypheus was actually capable of controlling the Grey Warden's minds. The Grey Wardens trying to summon demons was simply a case of the Grey Wardens being their normal crazy selves. Duncan was just as crazy. 

 

But I didn't sacrifice the Wardens simply because this gave me more forces I could throw against my enemies without having to care about whether they lived or died.

 

I don't need them around in case there's another blight because I can always make more if I need more. This has been one of the greastest problems with the Grey Warden concept. Since you can always make more Grey Wardens, you don't actually need a large amount of Grey Wardens hanging around. You only need enough to detect an Archdemon.

[BioWareM0d13]

How many times have the Grey Wardens saved the people from Thedas in spite of them? One need only look back to DAO. And we would dismiss them entirely because of a single mistake? If the Wardens had applied that criteria, the Blight would have taken everyone long ago. Granted, it was a dumb move and I wanted to tell them so (but couldn't) but as a representative of Thedas I cannot stand all high and mighty and refuse them a second chance.

 

Pretty much.

 

The Wardens aren't perfect, but they are only thing that prevented Thedas from being destroyed five times.

[Milan92]

Exiling them seemed a bit dramatic, as Dorian puts it.

 

Who knows when the next blight hits. For all we know, Cory messed up really bad and then started the next blight a few weeks after. Beter to keep the wardens close. Easier to keep an eye on them that way.

 

Though I can see where those who bannish them are coming from as well.

[Quaddis]

I didn't exile because there was absolutely no evidence that Corypheus was actually capable of controlling the Grey Warden's minds. The Grey Wardens trying to summon demons was simply a case of the Grey Wardens being their normal crazy selves. Duncan was just as crazy. 

 

But I didn't sacrifice the Wardens simply because this gave me more forces I could throw against my enemies without having to care about whether they lived or died.

 

I don't need them around in case there's another blight because I can always make more if I need more. This has been one of the greastest problems with the Grey Warden concept. Since you can always make more Grey Wardens, you don't actually need a large amount of Grey Wardens hanging around. You only need enough to detect an Archdemon.

 

That depends how much archdemon blood you have stashed around. And considering that blight basically works like ebola, you dont want a lot of non-wardens around. Having warden or two in patrols during blight could also help with ambushes. You NEED wardens when it is blight. They are serious tactical advantage.

 

EDIT: It also, looks like, Venatori already found one archdemon.

[Chiramu]

Why would you exile the Grey Wardens? Get rid of the only army who can defeat the Blight?

 

"The Grey Wardens do whatever it takes to defeat the Blight." ~ Alistair. I wish I could have quoted that at him when I recruited Loghain though.

[Laughing_Man]

I find the whole thing to be a massive self-righteous overreaction.

(Hawke's overreaction is even funnier because in many people's "canon" he was a blood-mage.)

 

I mean, how do you guys think that the Grey Wardens were created initially?

A bunch of chantry virgins prayed to the maker and he sent them flying on griffins armored in shining white armor?

 

No.

 

More likely that it was a group of Avernus-like people, that did whatever it took (blood-magic, experiments on people, etc.)

to find the solution to the arch-demon's immortality.

 

This case is not different in principle, the only difference is that this time they were played by someone that knew how to push their buttons.

 

This is why I talked down the commander, and this is why the GW remained as allies for me.

This was just one more crime on Ugly's head, the Grey Wardens acted according to their mandate.

[wright1978]

Exiling them seemed a bit dramatic, as Dorian puts it.

 

Who knows when the next blight hits. For all we know, Cory messed up really bad and then started the next blight a few weeks after. Beter to keep the wardens close. Easier to keep an eye on them that way.

 

Though I can see where those who bannish them are coming from as well.

 

Also struggle to see the authority to do it, surely that's in purview of the monarch. So in my first playthrough the Hero of Ferelden( a grey warden) is technically still married to Anora. Does that mean he is banished from his own country.

[Ren Roche]

Yeah, exiling them is rather harsh. Like others have pointed out - who will fight future Blights if there are no people around whose sole purpose is that. Still, it was funny to see everyone approving and only Blackwall giving a dramatic "no". 

[glosoli]

I used them for cleaning the area and they eventually died in combat against a betrayer duke or landlord. They redeemed themselves.

[CrazyRah]

Didn't exile them because I had use of them. Nothing really forced me to send them directly to where Cory was at his strongest. Another guard force if need be

[Fishy]

People saying '' Only two Warden stopped the blight''. That taking away a lot of the accomplishment of the Hero of Ferelden. I really doubt there's a Warden like the HoF at every corner of Ferelden .

[Vox Draco]

Not really, some Grey Wardens are absolute scum of the Earth that were spared the headsmans axe by being conscripted, or simply pulled a "Blackwall"

 

Or rather should I say, what "Blackwall" intended to pull but didn't.

 

This is made apparent in Wardens Keep in Origins, the last Warden Commander before Duncan allowed Avernus to experiment on live test subjects and ended up becoming possessed by a Desire Demon with most of the Wardens in the keep becoming Abominations for over abuse of Blood Magic.

 

Also Exiling the Grey Wardens may "Seem" like a good idea, but you quickly find out it's quite the opposite.

 

And now I just realized after so many years that the Warden's are Thedas' version of the Night Watch from a Song of Ice and Fire. Baffling, I never really thought about it before, seeing how obvious it is in some regards.

[Wulfram]

They're good at killing stuff, and there's an apparent archdemon flying around.

 

And if you wiped out factions being complete idiots, there wouldn't be much of southern Thedas left...

[eternalshiva]

Mages and the Templars can be posessed by Cory or demons if the path quests prove anything, as well. If you're going to exile the wardens, you best exile the Mages and Templars as well since they are just as vulnerable (especially the mages, they're even more desperate than templars who are drinking blighted lyrium and are very quick to jump to blood magic).

 

That argument is kind of hypocritical. The last thing they wanted to do was sacrifice more wardens to get to the Archdemon, but they were fooled by cory, who was instigating their Calling too early, basically threatning their lives and holding them hostage, making them desperate and forcing that irrational thinking on them. Exiling them won't save them at all, if anything it makes Orlais / Ferelden more vulnerable, which is what Cory wants.

 

Now they know that the calling was false, they have the tools and the knowledge to recognize that. You change the Order by supporting them, they reconnect with Thedas and focus on helping people instead of just finding Archdemons and ignoring all other problems.

 

On a side note, I'm really curious as to what is going on with Weisshaupt and the order itself once it goes dark. I'm totally sucked in with that aspect of Thedas and what they are potentially setting up.

[Eelectrica]

My inquisitor used every resource at her disposal including the Wardens no matter what mistakes they made before. Turned out ok.

[berrieh]

I can only even reconcile exiling them for their own safety, but honestly, they're likely to be more crazy if exiled, no? So keeping them close seems smarter for a variety of reasons.

 

I like that DA:I better showed the "real" Wardens. They will do whatever it takes to end Blights and stop darkspawn. The books have been really clear on that. I didn't feel it was out of character at all for them to raise a demon army. Stupid that the Warden-Commander who was a mage herself couldn't identify that the mages who had bound demons had lost their minds in the process, though. But I guess the test case was only right before we got there, and she hadn't really looked at the test very thoroughly. That Tevinter mage was all sneer and suspicious, though; the Calling must be distracting if you didn't think a little more carefully before trusting him. He looks like a cartoon Tevinter villain. Though, to be fair, Dorian does too, a little, and he's alright. 

[Starwingz]

It would be really amusing if 6th blight started in south and Wardens would refuse to help after being exiled.

 

Also doesn't exile also means HoF is being banished from south after saving their asses 10 years ago? Well this will turn out well.

[berrieh]

It would be really amusing if 6th blight started in south and Wardens would refuse to help after being exiled.

 

They wouldn't. Not what they do. 

[Pi2r Epsilon]

Another thing that would be fun would be if the Wardens realized that what they had done in their pursuit of their goal wasn't just sacrificing their own, but engaging in mass enslavement and turning innocent spirits into demons for the purposes of having them serve as slave soldiers in a war that wasn't theirs.

 

If any of the realms of Thedas did anything remotely like it to humans, dwarves, elves, or qunari, they'd be condemned for a more complete, cruel, and evil enslavement than even Tewinter ever managed, but since it is done to spirits, that are generally considered non-people despite the clear evidence that they are thinking beings, or perhaps if we give it a more positive spin, perhaps they are ignorant of the crime they are committing and don't know the origins of demons as Solas explains it to the player, nobody cares about it beyond "demons are bad stuff that should be destroyed; summoning them is a bad idea".

 

The Wardens gravest crimes were committed against the spirits. THEY didn't get a choice. The Wardens robbed them of that.

[K-Mart]

In my playthrough at least, there are two other people (Alistair and Fiona) whose whereabouts are known, that know about the joining and slaying the archdemon. I thought the line about "We've no one of high rank left" (paraphrased) was a bit dramatic.

 

Slightly different part of the same mission but regarding Hawke vs Warden:

Spoiler

at that stage in the game -unless I missed something- Hawke's blood could have been the only way to control Cory - why would you risk losing that for a senior grey warden?

[Knight of Dane]

They are soldiers that can fight, that is enough for me. I don't give a damn about their use of blood magic, just the sacrifices, but those were done using mostly willing people so I can let it slide.