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[kyles3]

Since the Grey Wardens were such a big part of the way I was introduced to the DA universe (DA:O), they kind of are Dragon Age to me still. The writers could have the Wardens eat babies in the next game and I'd still go to bat for them. Damned blight-babies had it coming. 

[ZeshinX]

I never exile them.  They serve a function, however deplorable, icky and unpalatable to many.  That is the sacrifice....they don't do it for glory, fame or love, they do it because no one else can or will.  Same with the templars.  They serve a useful function.

 

Yes, large swaths of any group can become corrupted and lead astray from their purpose.  When that happens, you deal with it.  It's not easy, and sometimes it feels as if things would be better off without said group....but in the long-term view, you're better off with them, than without.

 

This is why I leave Hawke in the Fade.  The Wardens need a leader....Hawke is pretty much useless, no matter how pretty Bioware wants to paint him/her.

[Pi2r Epsilon]

In my playthrough at least, there are two other people (Alistair and Fiona) whose whereabouts are known, that know about the joining and slaying the archdemon. I thought the line about "We've no one of high rank left" (paraphrased) was a bit dramatic.

They are talking about the Grey Wardens' chapter in Orlais not having any of high rank left, which is important for their ability to function as a group in the wake of the chaos they've been through. There are Grey Wardens in other realms in Thedas, some of them presumably of high rank.

[Ashevajak]

I don't get this idea that the Grey Wardens suffered character assassination in DA:I. The Warden's Keep DLC pretty much showed us that Wardens are willing to do pretty messed up things for whatever cause, and Sophia Dryden didn't even have Corypheus to blame.

 

Agreed.  I'm not sure if people just didn't play those DLCs, or have a rose-tinted view of what "stop the Blights at any cost" means.

 

I mean, in addition to Soldier's Peak, the Warden could make some pretty ethically questionable decisions in game to secure alliances.  Awakening upped that impression by allowing you to let an entire city burn and to ally with a Darkspawn directly responsible for the Fifth Blight.  And then, in Legacy, it's outright stated that the Wardens threatened Malcolm Hawke's family to secure his assistance.

 

It's also pretty much implied from the start that we might be seeing the best side of the Wardens in DA:O.  I mean, when your ethos is "at any cost", that doesn't just cover heroic personal sacrifices.  That means keeping secrets, even if you have to kill people to do so.  It means cutting deals to work with deeply dubious people to get what you want and need.  That means considering every weapon available to you, including blood magic.  And in the case of some Wardens, that means killing leaders who are not willing to get with the programme.  Even if people's Wardens did not make those options, the options to do so were always there, and should have been a clue as to how seriously the Grey Wardens take their mission.

 

The darker side of the Wardens was always ripe for exploration.  I don't think it was quite executed as well in DA:I as I would have liked (probably because without a Blight, much of the Wardens claims of exceptional means look like rationalization), but there could well be circumstances where Wardens are the villains.  Loghain himself was a well-intentioned extremist, after all.

[Zered]

What if a blight happened just now? Orlais would have to face it with their pants down.

[Reznore57]

In theory , it would be better to exile them since Cory can mind control them to a point.

Also he's unkillable as long as there's some tainted creature nearby.

 

But the wardens have been through a rough time , they were involved in the Divine death , their glorious days are long gone , and the last Blight lasted just a year...

There's a high chance of nobody trusting the wardens or feeling like Thedas need them .

The truth is they saved the world 5 time now ,because they were the only one ready to face the Blight (The different coutries tends to drag their feet when it comes to Blight unless it happens on their territory , and we saw in Ferelden even when it happens there , people  refuse to see the truth until things are very very bad... )

 

So erf , the wardens are dangerous but if the South doesn't trust them anymore and a Blight happens...Good luck with that.

[Mihura]

Because they could be used as a army to combat darkspawn pockets safely?

I mean one of my Inquisitors was really on the verge to exile them, being andastrian and all that but that would accomplish nothing after all their **** ups. So she use them where they are needed and of course on a short leash(she killed Stroud on purpose so her leadership was not challenged). 

[Teddie Sage]

A - because people still need the Order in case of a new Blight.

B - because the Inquisition could use their help.

C - most of the Grey Wardens were controlled and aren't responsible for what happened to the Divine, I blame their bosses.

 

It's more simple for me to pardon and integrate them in my army than exiling them.

[CronoDragoon]

Grey Wardens got a serious character assassination in DAI.

 

No, this is what the Grey Wardens always were. What was the first Grey Warden-y thing that happened in Origins? A blood ritual where you either sacrifice yourself attempting to become a Warden, succeed, or they murder you in cold blood for refusing. The Wardens have always been tolerated because they are needed for Blights, but the characteristics of the group have always been pragmatic and cultish.

[jtav]

I wish I could tell them to stay home on pragmatic grounds. The "vulnerable to corruption" in the choice description gave me pause.

[Fardreamer]

I would stand by the Wardens long before I would stand by the Inquisition.

The Wardens are the only group in Thedas which isn't controlled by religion, race, or whatever.

[CronoDragoon]

On a related note, one of those "I ****** love this game" moments was when I returned to Skyhold after Here Lies The Abyss and went into my tavern, and my bard started singing:

 

"Oh Grey Warden, what have you done?

The oaths you've taken are all but undone..."

[modernfan]

From a diplomatic and political perspective, I felt exiling the Wardens would be a missed opportunity to forge a valuable alliance with Weisshaupt.  I allowed the Adamant Wardens to join the Inquisition.  They all eventually died fighting darkspawn, but both the Inquisition and the Grey Wardens ultimately benefited from this outcome.  The Adamant Wardens atoned for their mistake and were permitted to die with honor, allowing Weisshaupt to save face, and the Inquisition gained another powerful arm under its influence.  It would not have served any useful purpose to allow a small faction of rogue Grey Wardens to vilify and potentially make an enemy of the entire order.

[Hobbes]

You need them, plain and simple.

Exiling them is essentially suicide in the long run.  They aren't perfect and sometimes do some morally questionable things, but they are needed.  It sort of reminds me of DA:O where they make mention of how the Wardens were no longer respected or wanted in some cases, until whoops a Blight happens and hey maybe we do need these guys after all.  Their necessity seems to be forgotten outside of times of the Blight, this time it seems to have happened rather quickly considering how recent the last blight was.

 

On a related note, one of those "I ****** love this game" moments was when I returned to Skyhold after Here Lies The Abyss and went into my tavern, and my bard started singing:

 

"Oh Grey Warden, what have you done?

The oaths you've taken are all but undone..."

Definitely a memorable moment, I stopped and just listened when I came to the tavern and bard started singing that.  

[Quaddis]

What if a blight happened just now? Orlais would have to face it with their pants down.

 

From what i saw at the ball, Orlais is in constant state of undress anyways. 

[Myrmedus]

Thing is, you bring particular attention to their use of Blood Magic as if it's somehow a unique sin of that branch of Wardens: Blood Magic is actually fairly commonplace throughout the Warden ranks.

 

And to be honest, I do not and have never held with this attitude towards Blood Magic of it being innately dark or evil, it's simply another form of magic that has abilities which can be - and tend to be - used for evil, but in of itself has no darkness. Consider a Blood Mage that uses their own blood to power a healing spell that saves a comrade. Evil? Of course not. In fact, it's self-sacrificial.

 

Really, what we should draw attention to is the branch's acts, not the means. They slaughtered their comrades for some bizarre hope to be freed from the Calling. That's what makes it wrong.

 

In spite of all that I would not exile them. Firstly, you think the rank and file had much say in the matter? The main culprit is dead (the Warden-Commander). Secondly, exiling them is a complete waste. Why exile what you can use? By conscripting them you leash them for their crimes and also gain another wing to your army, a very specialized and elite wing at that.

 

Honestly, exiling is only really useful against individuals not entire groups.

[Cantina]

I chose not to exile them.

 

The Wardens were exiled once do to political reasons. This time around it’s different.  The Wardens do all they can to stop a Blight and yes sometimes it does go too far. During this scenario however The Wardens assumed this was the end all be all to The Blights. They were not fighting a King and raising a rebellion. Yes, they were wrong, I managed to show them they were wrong and they turned around to help finish off the demons at Adamant.

 

Exiling The Wardens based off their desire to end The Blight, in my opinion is not reason enough to exile. The Wardens fight tirelessly to keep people safe. We may not see or agree with how they choose to do that, but The Wardens do care deeply about their cause and sacrifice much in order to keep The Blight from consuming Thedas. In the end we do not normally question their sacrifice but instead thank them for it.

 

I don’t agree with their poor choice in the deal they made. I do however understand why they did what they did. It was a choice made out of desperation. The Wardens made a mistake and I believe keeping The Wardens around will allow them to make up for their mistakes and to show they were wrong.

 

If another Blight comes the people of Thedas will be begging for The Wardens to save them and not think twice about why they were exiled.

 

Yes, it only takes a signal Warden to stop an Archdemon, but what happens if that Warden falls before he/she makes the final blow.

 

I gave The Wardens a second chance and I do not regret doing so. It’s hard to pass judgment on an Order who sacrifices much in order for Thedas to be safe and saved.

[Capeo]

Because it seriously pissed off Sera and I was trying to romance her.

[Mihura]

I know most people do not exile them because they are needed to kill the next Archdemon but the talk we have with Morrigan about the incidence on Admant seems to point out, that maybe there is another way to deal with the blight. I still would like to know how they found out about the ritual to sustain the blight in the body so they could kill the Archdemon.

[Giantdeathrobot]

Grey Wardens got a serious character assassination in DAI.

 

How so? They were already using blood magic and demons way back in Origins's DLC. Your Warden could be a blood mage who killed people for funsies, and still no less a Warden. Even Duncan the Inspiring, Wise Hero didn't hesitate to kill someone at the Joining. They have never been Lawful Good heroes. The whole ''whatever it takes, so long as it stops the Blight'' attitude was present since the first game. Their desperation made them take it too far, that's not a change in character at all.