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[Jaron Oberyn]

Hawke is akward in Dragon Age: Inquisition.

 

I don't know if it was a mistake to bring this hero into the next story?

When you bring in a hero - like Hawke is supposed to be - he/she should have a much larger role in the game. A sidequest is not enough.
If Hawke was made a companion it would have been quite another story. But I guess this demands something extra. And perhaps the story would hang too much in Dragon Age 2?

Maybe Hawke should have had a major role in the end against Corypheus?
He doesn't mean to take over the role of the main character, but a supporting hero? After all Hwake is older and maybe not quite as active as he once was. Everything has its time.

Technically it shouldn't be a problem as you can import your Hawke stats from the Dragon Age Keep.

I know many fans like the idea of Hawke's apperance. But I am not sure if this was a good idea? Maybe it was even better to save this hero for the next sequel where 'a lot more is at stake'?

I think it made sense for Hawke to be in DAI given his initial encounter with Corypheus. I didn't feel like his presence was too short, I felt it was just enough to satisfy a cameo. We may also be seeing/hearing more of him in the coming games given he heads to Weisshaupt with at minimum his LI, sibling, and Varric joining him there. If they plan to use that thread in the north, which is where Weisshaupt is located and Bioware stated the next game will be, then I wouldn't be surprised if he shows up again in some form or another. 

[Mushashi7]

If they plan to use that thread in the north, which is where Weisshaupt is located and Bioware stated the next game will be, then I wouldn't be surprised if he shows up again in some form or another. 

I didn't know this.

There's possibilities in your theory.

A new scene, and maybe a new hero? Or even three heroes? You never know...

But if so, it makes more sense, doesn't it?

[BLOOD LORDS]

My Hawke romanced Anders, hated templars and would have gladly helped him blow up the chantry. As far as she's concerned she did a fantastic job.

 

Revolutionary Mage Hawke achieved what she felt was most important. It's just that most of the people you meet don't agree with her goals.

Modifié par BLOOD LORDS, 12 décembre 2014 - 02:06 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

Hawke did stop the Qunari invasion, he can stop Meredith, he can have Merrill destroy the Eluvian. And I know this is a shocker, but Hawke is actually, contrary to popular demand, NOT an omnipotent god that knows everything in advance, and the best way to do things always. He is just a chump trying to make his way through life.

[Jaron Oberyn]

I didn't know this.

There's possibilities in your theory.

A new scene, and maybe a new hero? Or even three heroes? You never know...

But if so, it makes more sense, doesn't it?

I'm certain we will have a new protagonist. Bioware has said time and time again they will not use the same protagonist in more than one story, there will always be a new one. But there is the possibility we will be seeing Hawke north, or at the very least hear about him up there. The Inquisitor and Warden on the other hand? Not very likely as they're going to be doing their thing in the south. 

[kyles3]

Failure or not, Hawke's story was much more compelling to me than the Inquisitor's. Not to say that the Inquisitor is a bad character, but I'll take an underdog who doesn't always win over a world-beater who was never really challenged every time. Hawke had to fight for every inch of temporary peace in crapsack Kirkwall. The Inquisitor had too easy a ride after Haven and became the least interesting character in her own story.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Failure or not, Hawke's story was much more compelling to me than the Inquisitor's. Not to say that the Inquisitor is a bad character, but I'll take an underdog who doesn't always win over a world-beater who was never really challenged every time. Hawke had to fight for every inch of temporary peace in crapsack Kirkwall. The Inquisitor had too easy a ride after Haven and became the least interesting character in her own story.

 

Where does Hawke fail to win?

[kyles3]

Where does Hawke fail to win?

 

She loses family members. She doesn't prevent an ally from blowing up a Chantry. Those are the big ones. I know a lot of people hated that these things happened and the player couldn't prevent them, but I loved it. These events made Hawke so much more relatable than most game protagonists. It was inspiring to see her persevere. 

[Tielis]

As has been said many, many times before:

 

"Killing people and saving people are what I do best!"

[Jaron Oberyn]

She loses family members. She doesn't prevent an ally from blowing up a Chantry. Those are the big ones. I know a lot of people hated that these things happened and the player couldn't prevent them, but I loved it. These events made Hawke so much more relatable than most game protagonists. It was inspiring to see her persevere. 

 

I'll give you the first one, but the chantry he couldn't have even seen coming. There was nothing to win against. So Hawke lost his family members, the Inquisitor lost Haven and countless lives there. It wasn't all sugar and rainbows as people make it seem for this game. 

[kyles3]

I'll give you the first one, but the chantry he couldn't have even seen coming. There was nothing to win against. So Hawke lost his family members, the Inquisitor lost Haven and countless lives there. It wasn't all sugar and rainbows as people make it seem for this game. 

 

I agree that Hawke couldn't have stopped Anders, but plenty of other people have disagreed and added it to the list of perceived Hawke failures.

 

Hawke loses her mother after she's risen up to become Champion. What little power she gained came with a heavy price. The Haven sequence was stunning, but it was the only time I ever felt like the Inquisitor's cause was really in danger, and it came so early that the rest of the plot--in which you beat Corypheus every time--felt dramatically flat. I don't feel like the Inquisitor earned her happy ending.

[BLOOD LORDS]

I don't know why failing to stop Anders from blowing up the chantry was such a bad thing. The Gallows were brutal and the rite of tranquility was being abused even before the right of annulment was introduced. Awful things were happening to mages and Elthina was content to sit around and pray about it, even though she had an immense amount of power. Her willful blindness was deplorable, as an enabler of abuse she got what she deserved.

[Sidney]

Isnt the point of DA2 that Hawke isn't "that guy"? The whole "Champion of Kirkwall" thing isn't really how it seems thus the Varric vs Cassandra perception and his corrections to her vision. He is an answer to the idea that one man always can/does change things. Hawke is in place against forces he can't control and likely no one person could. He isn't a failure...he's just not a god.

[Jaron Oberyn]

I agree that Hawke couldn't have stopped Anders, but plenty of other people have disagreed and added it to the list of perceived Hawke failures.

 

Hawke loses her mother after she's risen up to become Champion. What little power she gained came with a heavy price. The Haven sequence was stunning, but it was the only time I ever felt like the Inquisitor's cause was really in danger, and it came so early that the rest of the plot--in which you beat Corypheus every time--felt dramatically flat. I don't feel like the Inquisitor earned her happy ending.

 

I suppose we can agree to disagree then. On my first playthrough I certainly felt that it was an uphill battle, and Corypheus certainly felt more dangerous than any DA2 villain. I think it was a nice change of pace though, given the ending of ME3 being so dark that we can have a dark story here but a pretty light, almost happy ending. I wouldn't say it felt unearned to me though, but that's just my take.

[BLOOD LORDS]

From what I can see in the cutscene Anders only blows up the chantry and sets few roofs on fire. As far as I'm concerned being a part of the chantry equates to supporting it's actions, just like being a member of the Nazi party equates to supporting it's actions. They may not have done the abuses themselves, but they were at best turning a blind eye. From a mage's perspective they want to at best jail you for the rest of your life, and at worst kill you or make you tranquil. The Gallows was not fun and games, it was a corrupt prison where guilt was decided by birth.

[tobynator89]

unlike every other Bioware protagonist, life happens to Hawke

[Urazz]

I agree that Hawke couldn't have stopped Anders, but plenty of other people have disagreed and added it to the list of perceived Hawke failures.

 

Hawke loses her mother after she's risen up to become Champion. What little power she gained came with a heavy price. The Haven sequence was stunning, but it was the only time I ever felt like the Inquisitor's cause was really in danger, and it came so early that the rest of the plot--in which you beat Corypheus every time--felt dramatically flat. I don't feel like the Inquisitor earned her happy ending.

Yeah, it did feel like the Inquisitor was winning all the time against Corypheus after Haven.  I think the Inquisition should've failed at one thing regardless like being unable to stop Corypheus from getting his demon army for example but the choice you would have would be to save the Wardens or weaken Corypheus' demon army for example.

 

From what I can see in the cutscene Anders only blows up the chantry and sets few roofs on fire. As far as I'm concerned being a part of the chantry equates to supporting it's actions, just like being a member of the Nazi party equates to supporting it's actions. They may not have done the abuses themselves, but they were at best turning a blind eye. From a mage's perspective they want to at best jail you for the rest of your life, and at worst kill you or make you tranquil. The Gallows was not fun and games, it was a corrupt prison where guilt was decided by birth.

You may be right about those officially part of the Chantry condoning the Templar's treatment of mages but what about those that aren't part of it and are civilians there to pray and such?  Also setting roofs on fire is enough to cause a building to burn down and that could've killed civilians as well.

[Jaulen]

Hawke not being a typical knight-in-shining-armor-everything-i-do-goes-perfectly-everything-i-touch-turns-to-gold type of characters makes me really like Hawke.

I really enjoyed the change of pace in the PC archtype.

[BLOOD LORDS]

It was at night, and since for some odd reason the streets are filled with bandits as soon as the sun falls I doubt anyone was going there for midnight prayers. Regardless, it's like bombing a KKK rally. Sure not all of them have lynched people, but they're still at the rally. For being an apostate and harboring Justice Anders would have been executed if he had ever been caught by the chantry or templars at any point. Hawke only narrowly avoids imprisonment herself, and I'm sure a failed escape attempt would have resulted in tranquility or death. As I said before the Gallows and it's templars are no friends to the mages, and neither is Kirkwall's chantry.

 

It's naive to expect to have rebellion without blood. There was no hope for mages in Kirkwall something had to change, and that change would never come from the templars or the chantry.

[Draining Dragon]

Hawke is the perpetual buttmonkey of Thedas.