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[Ajna]

He didn't ally with Cory, he used him and I think expected him to die, what happened wasn't what he intended.  He was too weak to unlock the orbs power after he awoke from his slumber, no one knows when he gave it to Cory, or how.

 

There is a theory floating around on reddit that the reason he's so anti Warden is that the Old Gods are in fact aspects of the Elven pantheon, this would mean that the Wardens had been essentially killing his family, either way, he seems to think that killing all of the Old Gods would be bad, that's enough reason to be anti Warden.  I don't know where I stand on this Old Gods/Elven Gods theory since he says they're not linked in any way, but if killing them all would be bad then why would I disbelieve him.

 

One thing that I feel is important to remember is that throughout the whole game it has been pressed that he was not in fact a trickster god, his true story is something much different and quite noble, he made mistakes, but he's in no way the Elven version of satan as many people are stuck thinking.  We have to get away from what we thought we knew about the Elven Gods.

 

He approves of helping people, that's an important thing to remember.

[skotie]

I believe the reason he was labeled as the trickster god was because he likely tried to convince the ancient elves what he did was for thier own good, even if he didn't seeing as he was the only one who wasn't sealed away they likely came to that conclusion, obviously they didn't feel the same way. This is where that story began, before that well who knows.

 

I personally hope if he doesn't turn out to be possessed by Mythal, and doesn't turn out to be the villian people think he is, that he will help to convince and lead the remaining dalish tribes to give up thier beliefs in the old ways, and find a new path. I think it would be quite possible, although difficult to sway the dalish. Once they learn about the true nature of thier gods however, how they enslaved thier own people, I don't think even the dalish will continue worshiping them. They exist as they do now entirely because they wished to avoid slavery and live free. I do think they will need someone to unite them though, I hope it will be Solas.

 

Just because they are the keepers of the lost lore does not mean they need to relive it, they could instead learn from it and not repeat the mistakes of the past.

[Virgulec]

Reading this thread made me think of the song "Sympathy for the Devil"... that's all I'll say on this.

[Pi2r Epsilon]

What the Wardens did was utterly unacceptable to Solas, and for good reason.

 

You may see it as "trying to fix things in a messed up way", but let's look at what the Orleasian Grey Wardens did from the perspective of somebody who has a different perspective. Somebody who is a friend to spirits and consider them people.

 

As soon as you start thinking of spirits as people, and as soon as you believe, as Solas does, that demons are what happens when you force spirits to act against their nature, you'll find that the Grey Wardens of Orlais' greatest crime had nothing to do with what they did to themselves - it was the monstrous crime they systematically enacted against a defenseless population, perverting their nature and enslaving them in order to use them as enslaved warriors in the Wardens' wars, forever fighting until killed.

 

Anybody doing so against a population of humans, elves, dwarves, or qunari would be reviled, regardless of whether they had good intentions or were ignorant. As evidence, most people in Thedas outside Tevinter we've heard weigh in on the issue seem to disapprove of Tevinter's slavery, and that is a pale shadow of the enslavement the spirits suffer, binding their very minds.

 

Is it so strange that Solas disapproves strongly of the Grey Wardens actions? He knows that they acted in ignorance like so many others, but that doesn't change what they did. Being exiled is a small price to pay for their crimes.

 

Now, we also know that Solas is not a slave to his feelings or to justice and can cooperate with people he dislike, though working together with mass murderers may strain even his composure, but he has a second point to consider. Allied Grey Wardens in Orlais are a clear security risk as is made explicitly clear. This may seem an acceptable risk to the person who thinks that the worst the Grey Wardens did was being misguided and killing some of their own people with blood magic, it is quite another for a person who thinks that they did much worse than that against numerous others, not out of deliberate malice, but out of ignorance. How many other lives will they destroy, knowingly or unknowingly?

 

Either way you weigh it, if you look at things from Solas perspective, there is no way keeping the Grey Wardens around is a good thing.

[Amirit]

Out of curiosity, why everyone says "Flemeth possessed Solas"? Because of dialog with Moggigan about willing host? Flemeth took the soul of ancient god from Keiran. And with Solas it looked the same way to me - Solas collected both the soul of Mythal and (now) the soul of old god from Flemeth. Combining it into one entity. 

Or did I mist something that exclude such possibility?

[skotie]

Out of curiosity, why everyone says "Flemeth possessed Solas"? Because of dialog with Moggigan about willing host? Flemeth took the soul of ancient god from Keiran. And with Solas it looked the same way to me - Solas collected both the soul of Mythal and (now) the soul of old god from Flemeth. Combining it into one entity. 

Or did I mist something that exclude such possibility?

I believe that's entirely possible, however we do know Flemeth is a body jumper, and I assume she wanted that old god soul for a reason, perhaps she combined her will with it to overpower Solas when he absorbed them?. It was a lot of trouble to go through to get it, I mean Morrigan could have been kicked out of the warden's group long before they ever got near the arch demon, and those only appear during blights.

 

It's also entirely possible that Solas is still in control though. We'll have to wait and see.

[Ajna]

Out of curiosity, why everyone says "Flemeth possessed Solas"? Because of dialog with Moggigan about willing host? Flemeth took the soul of ancient god from Keiran. And with Solas it looked the same way to me - Solas collected both the soul of Mythal and (now) the soul of old god from Flemeth. Combining it into one entity. 

Or did I mist something that exclude such possibility?

I think she was pushing the Old God soul through the Eluvian when Solas arrived tbh.  For some reason everyone immediately thinks they're in opposition and I'm not so sure.

[Han Shot First]

I'm wondering if maybe Solas is being set up as the main antagonist for the next DA game. The Dread Wolf does play an antagonist role in Elven legend.

 

Back before release didn't one of the devs make a statement about DA:I's antagonist having some redeeming qualities and not being pure evil? He couldn't have been referring to Corypheus, who is pretty much DA's equivalent of Sauron. Could he have been referring to Solas instead, since the events of DA:I are as much his fault as they are Corypheus? 

[skotie]

Well I just assumed they were opposed to each other, supposedly he did seal all the other gods away, except Mythal was dead, her essence found Flemeth. After hearing Flemeth about how she wanted a reckoning after the well of sorrows because they were betrayed I assumed she was refering to the gods being locked away.

 

I just have a hard time seeing Solas and Flemeth as allies. I have to assume Solas is a villian if his plan is to let loose the gods he locked away, what good will that do at this point?

[Ajna]

No one knows what his plan is, all we have is speculation.

[Casuist]

There is a theory floating around on reddit that the reason he's so anti Warden is that the Old Gods are in fact aspects of the Elven pantheon, this would mean that the Wardens had been essentially killing his family, either way, he seems to think that killing all of the Old Gods would be bad, that's enough reason to be anti Warden.  I don't know where I stand on this Old Gods/Elven Gods theory since he says they're not linked in any way, but if killing them all would be bad then why would I disbelieve him.

 

 

Unless there's strong contravening information in the lore (and there's certainly some - http://forum.bioware...forgotten-ones/ ), I could see the Old Gods being the Forgotten Ones of Elven mythology. Solas certainly seems to know something about the archdemons/old gods that we do not, being aware that Cory's pet is NOT one well before anyone else. A set of Old Gods lost beneath the earth and a set of relatively benign elven demigods trapped in the fade or beyond the eluvians would make a decent background for the myths, but it could just as easily have another explanation.

 

The easiest explanation for his attitude regarding the Wardens and their plans (apart from the aforementioned demonic binding) comes out in the banter with Blackwall by implication. Darkspawn linger in the deep roads searching for an Archdemon - if he Wardens killed the two remaining archdemons, it wouldn't destroy the darkspawn, but it would presumably remove the song that calls darkspawn to search for the Old Gods. What happens, then, to the unleashed horde?

[uncledolan]

Do we think that Solas was always the Dread Wolf - or that he stumbled upon the spirit of the Dread Wolf during his walk's in the fade and it possessed him?

[Mykel54]

 

The easiest explanation for his attitude regarding the Wardens and their plans (apart from the aforementioned demonic binding) comes out in the banter with Blackwall by implication. Darkspawn linger in the deep roads searching for an Archdemon - if he Wardens killed the two remaining archdemons, it wouldn't destroy the darkspawn, but it would presumably remove the song that calls darkspawn to search for the Old Gods. What happens, then, to the unleashed horde?

 

In the novel "The Calling", the Architect has his own guess at what would happen to the darkspawn without the call of the old gods: they would start killing each other and just rampage around violently. The Architect wants to free the darkspawn from the song, but not to get them killed, so he does not want the old gods dead.

[ashwind]

From the banters and conversations, 2 things I find very interesting.

 

Firstly, his regrets. He told the Inquisitor that he should take charge because there is no greater regret than building something great and then have fools destroy it. Probably something to do with why he is so remorseful all the time maybe? He gave up his position, power, influence and someone destroyed what he built? Now his people needs his help hence he is trying to do something?

 

His Orb. Dorian asked him about it, those orbs are not unique to Solas. Paintings of ancient Tervinter, probably dating back to the age of dreamers, Tervinter Magisters are depicted with such orbs. The name translates into "Vessel of Dreams". So the orb could contain powers that was stored away from the Fade maybe by Solas himself and he tried to use Corypheus to unlock it because he was too weak? 

[Jaron Oberyn]

 

He approves of helping people, that's an important thing to remember.

 

This. Also, if you take him along on the well of sorrows mission you find out that the story of Fen'Harel being a trickster is false. Solas isn't a bad guy, but it will be interesting to see his motivations should Bioware continue his story. 

[Poppy]

I do have trouble seeing Solas as the "bad" guy, but it makes me have tons of questions too, has he always been the dread wolf? Why dosen't he want he inquisitor to drink from the well? He dosen't believe in the ancient Gods, but he knows they where something. And the lonley path he has to walk in the end.. Well, my face looks like this ??

[amranthe]

Some good stuff today!

 

 

I believe that's entirely possible, however we do know Flemeth is a body jumper, and I assume she wanted that old god soul for a reason, perhaps she combined her will with it to overpower Solas when he absorbed them?. It was a lot of trouble to go through to get it, I mean Morrigan could have been kicked out of the warden's group long before they ever got near the arch demon, and those only appear during blights.

 

It's also entirely possible that Solas is still in control though. We'll have to wait and see.

 

You're forgetting though that her taking Kieren's Old God soul (I'm assuming that's what you're referring to) is an optional storyline. The ending is the same whether or not she has that soul. And besides I think they key to this whole thing is "willing host" and I do not think Solas would be willing to have his body taken over based on the convo he has.

 

I think she was pushing the Old God soul through the Eluvian when Solas arrived tbh.  For some reason everyone immediately thinks they're in opposition and I'm not so sure.

 

Interesting, hadn't thought of that.

 

I'm wondering if maybe Solas is being set up as the main antagonist for the next DA game. The Dread Wolf does play an antagonist role in Elven legend.

 

Back before release didn't one of the devs make a statement about DA:I's antagonist having some redeeming qualities and not being pure evil? He couldn't have been referring to Corypheus, who is pretty much DA's equivalent of Sauron. Could he have been referring to Solas instead, since the events of DA:I are as much his fault as they are Corypheus? 

 

He could be, in the hero-antagonist way. I think the whole point of this game showing how elven lore is wrong is to show that Fen'harel isn't the evil trickster he's made out to be (obvious, yes). Personally I think it's a hook for DLC or expansion.

 

I think it would be a horrible idea to have to wait until DA4 to resolve this storyline. Added to the fact that BW says they want unique protagonists for each game, I think it's completely unfair to have anyone but my Lavellan/Inquisitor deal with Solas.

 

The only plus side would be if it was a whole new game, then at least we'd get a lot more screen time with Solas than with just a DLC. 

 

Well I just assumed they were opposed to each other, supposedly he did seal all the other gods away, except Mythal was dead, her essence found Flemeth. After hearing Flemeth about how she wanted a reckoning after the well of sorrows because they were betrayed I assumed she was refering to the gods being locked away.

 

I just have a hard time seeing Solas and Flemeth as allies. I have to assume Solas is a villian if his plan is to let loose the gods he locked away, what good will that do at this point?

 

I'm pretty sure Mythal wanted a reckoning for being murdered. Abelas tells us she was murdered, Flemythal and Solas/Fen'harel seem like friends. I'm guessing Mythal's murder is possibly the catalyst that made Fen'harel lock away the rest of the gods, because likely one of them (or all of them) plotted for her demise. Remember, Mythal was the one who kept standing up to the gods in their insanity. 

 

I agree though that it's odd that Solas would want to free the gods for any reason, seeing as they were locked away probably for good reason, and I do think Fen'harel was the one that did so. But Flemeth calls Solas "old friend" and they both seem kind to each other--so while I don't think they are strictly allies, I see it as they are both working towards the same ends but by different means.

 

My only other supposition is that the Blight was what was making the gods crazy, and maybe Solas and Mythal now have some ideas on how to remedy that? 

[amranthe]

I do have trouble seeing Solas as the "bad" guy, but it makes me have tons of questions too, has he always been the dread wolf? Why dosen't he want he inquisitor to drink from the well? He dosen't believe in the ancient Gods, but he knows they where something. And the lonley path he has to walk in the end.. Well, my face looks like this ??

 

Has he always been the Dread Wolf? I think yes, unlike Flemeth he is actually Fen'harel, not just carrying his soul. I base this on the fact that it seems like he's been in uthenra this whole time, so I don't see why he would just be a vessel instead of the real deal.

 

Why doesn't he want the Inquisitor to drink? Some dialog options he tells you it's because you'll be bound to the god, and you can say "But you don't even believe in the gods" and he says something like "They may not have been gods, but something existed" and also magic is real so he knows whatever curse it is is real. I think he's mostly concerned that you, who lead the Inquisition and are responsible for all that power, are now bound to something you don't understand. And based on his history, I could see how this would really, really bother him.

 

Lonely path--I think that's just Solas being overly dramatic. Remember his greatest fear is dying alone, and I think he's already resigned himself to that fate, even though he's totally wrong because my Lavellan will never stop looking for him! 

[Travis2310]

F*ck Solas.

[Poppy]

Has he always been the Dread Wolf? I think yes, unlike Flemeth he is actually Fen'harel, not just carrying his soul. I base this on the fact that it seems like he's been in uthenra this whole time, so I don't see why he would just be a vessel instead of the real deal.

 

Why doesn't he want the Inquisitor to drink? Some dialog options he tells you it's because you'll be bound to the god, and you can say "But you don't even believe in the gods" and he says something like "They may not have been gods, but something existed" and also magic is real so he knows whatever curse it is is real. I think he's mostly concerned that you, who lead the Inquisition and are responsible for all that power, are now bound to something you don't understand. And based on his history, I could see how this would really, really bother him.

 

Lonely path--I think that's just Solas being overly dramatic. Remember his greatest fear is dying alone, and I think he's already resigned himself to that fate, even though he's totally wrong because my Lavellan will never stop looking for him! 

 

I know the feeling Mine will go out looking too! 

[De Vulus]

F*ck Solas.

 

Solas greatly disapproves

[SarEnyaDor]

Listen to all of this (Sera and Solas party banter)



I think Solas may have been responsible for a LOT more than we think. I think He may have also been Shartan (the elf that helped Andraste)I think he keeps trying to start the world over, keeps being disappointed, and keeps doing it again. Continually overthrowing the status quo and setting up a new force to shape the world.