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[BiscuitieKai]

I know im not the only one who broke tears after watching the Skyhold Introduction Scene (I know you broke in tears and thats alright i understand). Finally a fortified castle fortress at my disposal (and the name is so cool)

 

But...

 

With all those customization/upgrade stuffs and of course guys within my inquisitor's inner circle (namely Cullen) tirelessly working on fortify my very own castle, its a let down not to actually experience a siege attack (to test how your "bread and butter" can stand up against a siege), its either Leliana and Cullen are doing a great job in fending off your enemies from your hold or  Skyhold is just your winter retreat house or something just for the aesthetics part of the game...

 

We Want Actual Purpose/meaning in making my/our castle well fortified.

give us option in -equipping my army

                           -recruiting stuffs like managing how many recruits i can and what kind of recruit i need

                           -additional upgrades defense, ornamental, living stuffs etch.

                           -and the most important Siege battles

 

:3

[SongstressKitsune]

First of all I was a mess of feelings through In Your Heart Shall Burn and the claiming of Skyhold was the emotional capstone to that whole bit so yeah I definitely teared up a little.

That said, I actually wouldn't enjoy this at all -- I would hate feeling like I had to choose the "right" upgrade every time lest I lose people/get a worse ending/whatever, the way it was in Awakening. So it may be a DLC that appeals to some people, and more power to you if that's what you like! Just not everyone.

[saladinbob]

I don't know, I was rather fond of my camp in Origins. It was more intimate. Skyhold is too big given the available content in it. In terms of in-game areas it's actually bigger than Val Royeux but at least that has more merchants. Before you even start thinking about siege quests in any DLC, Skyhold needs a considerable upgrade in terms of available content there. Quest givers (no, not bloody fetch quests, please), more merchants, things to find in the places it has to explore.

[scrutinizer]

The 'recruits' point runs deeper - they would have to change a lot of stuff. 

Because if you want those recruits to actually matter, you will need a reactive army of the opponent, who will attempt to take back what you secured (War Table). You know, a raid here, a siege there. And then we will actually have choices and consequences - if you fail to sent your troops to certain places, they will get overrun. Choices - are you sending them to protect A or B; if A, then you lose your influence in B? Strategy element comes into play. Also, the ending will need a complete overhaul, with storming the Skyhold's walls, sending your companions to perform vital tasks (like in ME2 ending) and so on - the result of the battle depending on how you order your castle around. The Skyhold's upgrades will matter (like upgrading the Normandy in ME2) - if you failed to repair this breach in the wall, well, you have enemy forces storming your castle from there and destroying you from the inside.

It would be fantastic.

But it's just too much to do. Forget it. The whole system would need to be altered. 

[BiscuitieKai]

The 'recruits' point runs deeper - they would have to change a lot of stuff. 

Because if you want those recruits to actually matter, you will need a reactive army of the opponent, who will attempt to take back what you secured (War Table). You know, a raid here, a siege there. And then we will actually have choices and consequences - if you fail to sent your troops to certain places, they will get overrun. Choices - are you sending them to protect A or B; if A, then you lose your influence in B? Strategy element comes into play. Also, the ending will need a complete overhaul, with storming the Skyhold's walls, sending your companions to perform vital tasks (like in ME2 ending) and so on - the result of the battle depending on how you order your castle around. The Skyhold's upgrades will matter (like upgrading the Normandy in ME2) - if you failed to repair this breach in the wall, well, you have enemy forces storming your castle from there and destroying you from the inside.

It would be fantastic.

But it's just too much to do. Forget it. The whole system would need to be altered. 

But if they come up with sumthing to work this out this will be a money grabber i think ( now our choices really does matter now)

[BiscuitieKai]

I don't know, I was rather fond of my camp in Origins. It was more intimate. Skyhold is too big given the available content in it. In terms of in-game areas it's actually bigger than Val Royeux but at least that has more merchants. Before you even start thinking about siege quests in any DLC, Skyhold needs a considerable upgrade in terms of available content there. Quest givers (no. not bloody fetch quests, please), more merchants, things to find in the places it has to explore.

yea that should be a priority, add more option to your castle to make it your own and make your choice actually do matter, yea i like the aesthetic part but as a "king" of my own fortress you will need actual use of your facilities both upgrade aesthetics or not

[Jaron Oberyn]

No we don't Bioware. 

[Teddie Sage]

It's "I want a a Skyhold undersiege." Stop speaking for me, rude.

[BiscuitieKai]

First of all I was a mess of feelings through In Your Heart Shall Burn and the claiming of Skyhold was the emotional capstone to that whole bit so yeah I definitely teared up a little.

That said, I actually wouldn't enjoy this at all -- I would hate feeling like I had to choose the "right" upgrade every time lest I lose people/get a worse ending/whatever, the way it was in Awakening. So it may be a DLC that appeals to some people, and more power to you if that's what you like! Just not everyone.

that is actually the beauty of origins-awakening a war that will actually affect you, giving you more responsibility for your choices thats actually the reason you are chosen as the inquisitor because you will do all the hard decisions.

[Moirnelithe]

We do? With haven and amaranth fortress we have enough sieges in the game. I agree that Skyhold should have more use though.

[BiscuitieKai]

well i dunno bout you guys but lot of guys playing inquisition have this hole. yea you are inquisitor some of your choices changed the world of thedas but the emotion behind the choice is rather dull or incomplete..we'll im sorry if you are offended or something and i cant do anything about it (or will actually do something about it)

[simpatikool]

Or how abut a War Room DLC, where you know, you have to manage a war with fronts and resources? We could still use power as the form of "currency"?

[BiscuitieKai]

Or how abut a War Room DLC, where you know, you have to manage a war with fronts and resources? We could still use power as the form of "currency"?

yea that will be nice, a sense of being involve (and use for those power piling up)

[simpatikool]

yea that will be nice, a sense of being involve (and use for those power piling up)

 

Exactly. I feel like we have gone through all this trouble to build and army and a fortification. I know the war room has some story based quests that talk about troops and all that. But I really feel there is an opportunity for some sort of mini game via the war table that would bring the stuggle to life a little. You know, investing resources to fight venatori in the Emerald Graves via War Table resources or something akin to that.

 

I mean, if you explore the regions, you accumulate so much power. There is nothing to crush it with!

[BiscuitieKai]

Exactly. I feel like we have gone through all this trouble to build and army and a fortification. I know the war room has some story based quests that talk about troops and all that. But I really feel there is an opportunity for some sort of mini game via the war table that would bring the stuggle to life a little. You know, investing resources to fight venatori in the Emerald Graves via War Table resources or something akin to that.

 

I mean, if you explore the regions, you accumulate so much power. There is nothing to crush it with!

Actually that is exactly what my friends and some guys i know playing this game have, "a hole" a sense of being involve is not actually utilized, your decisions doesnt affect you emotionally (i like how they did those war decisions in awakening and lots of guys i know loved it too) ...

 

what i experience while playing as the inquisitor (and some guys i know) is like this, I give the orders and i dont give a sh- :3 -t what you do just make it happen.

 

and honestly i didnt have the sense of losing sumthing important (entirely) when i lose haven. but if you put an option where your companions (who you gave your time and emotion) "might" die if you fck up (hard decision) I bet that will somehow affect you emotionally (and thats what we call "Loss")

[tris1]

not sure about having a siege but I will admit that skyhold should have more uses' or things to do

[BroBear Berbil]

That said, I actually wouldn't enjoy this at all -- I would hate feeling like I had to choose the "right" upgrade every time lest I lose people/get a worse ending/whatever, the way it was in Awakening. So it may be a DLC that appeals to some people, and more power to you if that's what you like! Just not everyone.

 

There were no choices you had to make in Awakening though. It was simply a matter of finding resources and coin to get the best fortress you could - easily achieved by just playing through the expansion. I was fine with that implementation and I think it'd work just fine for Skyhold as well.

 

We do? With haven and amaranth fortress we have enough sieges in the game. I agree that Skyhold should have more use though.

 

Anything that shows off the Inquisition's military might is good.

Spoiler

As it is, Skyhold is left unfinished by the end of the game and the sense of urgency to find this new base and fortify it after Haven turns out to have been completely needless. I was expecting Skyhold's defenses to be tested at some point but it never happens and honestly the final showdown with Corypheus just feels rushed.

 

I agree with OP in that Skyhold should have been sieged and it should have been fully fortified, but I don't want a DLC. Who would siege Skyhold now? The ending is the ending and it should have been more climactic but it's the ending and the game that we got.

[Nefla]

Who's we? I want story based DLC in a new area (or use some of those vast, empty areas)

[Elsariel]

not sure about having a siege but I will admit that skyhold should have more uses' or things to do

Yeah, I'm not into the siege thing but more stuff to do in Skyhold would be nice. Siege just isn't a game mechanic I'm into. I can appreciate that others do like that sort of thing. If it is implemented, I'd rather it be only a few scripted times. I don't want to constantly deal with sieges.

[BiscuitieKai]

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[Fearsome1]

For me, after building up the Inquisition, recruiting a variety of agents across the land, and choosing between the mages & templars; the fact that Skyhold did not undergo a major siege by Corypheus and company was a genuine shock. 

 

It made little sense for Corypheus to take a pass on attacking the seat of the Inquisition directly? This one decision marginalized the main villain of the game to a huge extent!

[BiscuitieKai]

For me, after building up the Inquisition, recruiting a variety of agents across the land, and choosing between the mages & templars; the fact that Skyhold did not undergo a major siege by Corypheus and company was a genuine shock. 

 

It made little sense for Corypheus to take a pass on attacking the seat of the Inquisition directly? This one decision marginalized the main villain of the game to a huge extent!

Prideful, arrogant, narcissistic with these traits yea coryphy better start some explaining

[BiscuitieKai]

Who's we? I want story based DLC in a new area (or use some of those vast, empty areas)

 

Why not? everybody wants a story based DLC with new areas "but" its quite unreasonable to leave some areas that needs to be improve like the current Skyhold's functionality is quite lacking like the "purely" aesthetic upgrades that is utterly useless (except the garden upgrade though not entirely groundbreaking) and more

 

sure new story, new areas go! but never leave some existing stuffs lacking

who's we? Friends of Brown Biscuits ...anway i cant type all the names of the players (both friends and acquintance) who want that dlc and you probably wont bother knowing them coz theyre utterly useless for your needs..but hey! maybe bioware needs them or not we never know

[Spectre Impersonator]

I'd rather make my bedroom and the dungeons serve some purpose.

 

Why does the guard always say "No prisoners, you've killed everyone", even if there are people to be judged?

[Efvie]

Have you actually looked out of the fortress? That place is completely unsiegeable.