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[theluc76]

Role play is more than just words, its also power of choices, consequences if it applies and tactical choices as well.

DAI in ist current state its not a RPG, its a MMO

 

Table top RPGs draw its sources from Miniature WarGames which the first was around 1880 recreating Napoleonic era battles and Tolkien fantasy world which gave birth to Dungeons and Dragons around 1979. Please note I wrote around, as I dont have exact dates off hand.

Problem is that RPG as the source lost its meaning over the course of time due to the fact the many medias twisted the actual meaning by stamping RPG on the cover of their products to increase sales, this is a particularity of MMOs.

 

Choices as a basic starts with the players character, in DAI its very limited. To build a face the Frostbite3 engine may not be perfect but still a powerful tool but I personally prefer the character creator of Saints Row 3 or 4 as it may be cartoonish but gives more freedom as choices are face and body . Then the attribute system, since its locked by class in DAI you have to increase those attribute with equipment as a MMO do, so no choice here, as soon as you begin the game you wont feel the character you created , it will be as generic as any MMO out there. There is the skill system based on class, there I guess some members of the design team were on weight watchers or slim fast as classes and class specializations are very slim as well as skill per class, again fewer classes and skills to justify the use of one or the other in combat just like a MMO does.

 

Locked looks of player character and companions,  just like DA2 your character is locked in a scale mail look as well as the companions retains their basic looks by type of armor,  details or colors can be changed but hardly a real choice.

For the combat, I don't mind real time strategies but then in DAI you wont feel it, fast mad, flashy combat, button mashing and pause to use the tactical cam to get the companion  out of the way or out of trouble.  Sorry but that is far from tactical if you have to baby sit the companions due to a defective AI. In the case it was possible to issue 2 to 3 actions in advance so the companions could behave accordingly, all good but it doesn't apply for the game due to the AI.

 

The narrative, weak story well told but still no real choices. The paraphrasing is not as bad as DA2 but it is a factor, also the lack of choice of being a goody two shoes or just being out right bad isn't there. I do admit that most gamer ladies like that theater play thing and most prefer light combat but again its sand in the eyes as the choices are very limited in that regard, Black or white, only the gray shades are available.

 

There is many other thing with the game but I don't feel like writing up the rest.

Bottom line , in a RPG you choose everything not just some parts here and there.

[shama]

^ See, everyone has a different definition of RPG. I don't agree with theluc79's version. I also dislike his use of MMO, which literally just means a game that supports lots of players online. DA:I is obviously not MMO, although the multi-player may blur this a little*. Either way, the examples he uses equates MMO to MMORPG.

 

 

*some say that must be lots at the same time, like PlanetSide, rather than just playing with 4/8/16/32 players from a potential pool of lots of players, such as Team Fortress 2.

[mickey111]

You haven't given anyone a definition to disagree with. And without that, no one can answer you question, regardless of whether they agree with your definition.

 

 

not really my definition.

 

bioware branched out on their definition of RPG with Origins and Mass Effect 2 when they made a loyalty value of 0-100 making your RP influence what your companions can do. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

TLoU and Stalker are pretty far removed from *any* definition of the genre, though.

 

You don't seem to understand how powerful random events can be when it comes to role playing games, so let me give you a a real world example.

 

You want to have a hot mug of coffee and as you open the fridge door you realize that you'd forgotten to buy some milk for your coffee. Realizing this, you leave your house to walk to the local convenience store and buy some milk. As you approach the the store, you see an evil child molester off in the distance trying to bribe a little girl into following him, so you reach for your phone to realize that it is at 0% charge. Calling the police is not an option, and nobody else seems to be around to make the call. 

 

Now, this is the part where you can do a bit of role playing. Do you play the role of a hero and save the little girl, or do you walk away letting him have his way with her? 

[In Exile]

not really my definition.

bioware branched out on their definition of RPG with Origins and Mass Effect 2 when they made a loyalty value of 0-100 making your RP influence what your companions can do.







You don't seem to understand how powerful random events can be when it comes to role playing games, so let me give you a a real world example.

You want to have a hot mug of coffee and as you open the fridge door you realize that you'd forgotten to buy some milk for your coffee. Realizing this, you leave your house to walk to the local convenience store and buy some milk. As you approach the the store, you see an evil child molester off in the distance trying to bribe a little girl into following him, so you reach for your phone to realize that it is at 0% charge. Calling the police is not an option, and nobody else seems to be around to make the call.

Now, this is the part where you can do a bit of role playing. Do you play the role of a hero and save the little girl, or do you walk away letting him have his way with her?

But that isn't a random event. The whole scene is scripted. You just triggered it in a different way because of the random gaggle of reasons that led you to the quest.

[FKA_Servo]

I'm no longer certain that this is a serious thread.

[dlux]

Came here to answer a question. 
Leaving to avoid feeding the troll.

I do believe the only troll here is you.
 
If you have nothing to add to the discussion other than disrespect and your apathy towards the OP's opinion, then don't write anything at all.

[ronniecross2]

I do believe the only troll here is you.
 
If you have nothing to add to the discussion other than disrespect and your apathy towards the OP's opinion, then don't write anything at all.

 

 

lol.. ok... So the conversation in the other thread died down a bit, you decided to criticize something I said in this one? 

 

I'd say build a bridge a get over it, but then again, you'd like that. trolls like bridges.  

[dlux]

 

lol.. ok... So the conversation in the other thread died down a bit, you decided to criticize something I said in this one? 

 

I'd say build a bridge a get over it, but then again, you'd like that. trolls like bridges.  

Just calling you out for trolling once again. You seem to enjoy trolling anybody who has a negative opinion about the game (same goes for TommyServo and Jaron Oberyn , as we have seen).

 

Anyway, you should check your social skills and try to accept opinions that differ from yours and learn to engage in a discussion instead of trolling with disrespectful one-liners.

[FKA_Servo]

Just calling you out for trolling once again. You seem to enjoy trolling anybody who has a negative opinion about the game (same goes for TommyServo, as we have seen).

 

Anyway, you should check your social skills and try to accept opinions that differ from yours and learn to engage in a discussion instead of trolling with disrespectful one-liners.

 

Ha!

[ronniecross2]

Just calling you out for trolling once again. You seem to enjoy trolling anybody who has a negative opinion about the game (same goes for TommyServo, as we have seen).

 

Anyway, you should check your social skills and try to accept opinions that differ from yours and learn to engage in a discussion instead of trolling with disrespectful one-liners.

 

Brilliant, you called me a troll, said I have no social skills, and criticized my inability to accept other people's opinions!! How original 

 

Oh wait, aren't I the third person (at least) you've said that exact sequence of statements to, today? Copy/paste?

[Jaron Oberyn]

check your social skills

 

[dlux]

Brilliant, you called me a troll, said I have no social skills, and criticized my inability to accept other people's opinions!! How original  
 
Oh wait, aren't I the third person (at least) you've said that exact sequence of statements to, today? Copy/paste?

Well, you seem to be on a personal crusade to try and discredit anybody with a negative opinion about this game and are very disrespectful in your approach. This is known as trolling.
 

Spoiler

"A social skill is any skill facilitating interaction and communication with others."

You could at least try using google before posting nonsense.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Well, you seem to be on a personal crusade to try and discredit anybody with a negative opinion about this game and are very disrespectful in your approach. This is known as trolling.

"A social skill is any skill facilitating interaction and communication with others."

Cute, you wikipedia'd it verbatim. Now link that to acceptance of the opinions of others. 

[ronniecross2]

Well, you seem to be on a personal crusade to try and discredit anybody with a negative opinion about this game and are very disrespectful in your approach. This is known as trolling.
 
"A social skill is any skill facilitating interaction and communication with others."

You could at least try using google before posting nonsense.

 

 

"Well, you seem to be on a personal crusade to try and discredit anybody with a negative opinion" Not really. You've been hitting out at quite a few people with rudeness, including myself. You may have an opinion, but your way of expressing it is rather antagonizing. I am only one of many people who has witnessed this, today. The OP here has already been rather rude in his delivery of responses, typically to those who have attempted to provide helpful responses to the original question. Therefore, I think he's a troll, not because of his/her opinion, but because of his/her delivery. Also, the OP didn't even provide a negative opinion, to my knowledge, just negative and hostile replies to others.

 

Now for that all important definition of 'troll', courtesy of Urban Dictionary:

"One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument"

 

Oooooooooh!! That sounds familliar!

[Ennai and 54 others]

The game tells you you are the inquisitor,the leader of a powerful faction.You are also the herald of andraste, The most important person in the world to some,if you die all hope is lost.Words


The words make you think you're a leader who is "the key to our salvation",the heart,
the king on the chess board.

Yet you are allowed to leave your castle without a platoon of bodyguards.
You have to buy your armor and weapons,.
Pick and plant your herbs.
Mine your own resources for crafting.
Dress and bathe yourself.
Peel your own grapes.
Wipe your own arse
Pop your own cork
fight your own battles.

[dlux]

Cute, you wikipedia'd it verbatim. Now link that to acceptance of the opinions of others.

Interacting with other people that have a different point of view and how to respond appropriately IS a social skill.

Dude...... Why am I not surprised that you do not know this.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Interacting with other people that have a different point of view and how to respond appropriately IS a social skill.

Dude...... Why am I not surprised that you do not know this.

Interaction is rudimentary. You've accused several people of being incapable of accepting your differing opinion. Acceptance is not a social skill. 

[Cyonan]

The game tells you you are the inquisitor,the leader of a powerful faction.You are also the herald of andraste, The most important person in the world to some,if you die all hope is lost.Words.

Yet you are allowed to leave your castle without a platoon of bodyguards.
You have to buy your armor and weapons,.
Pick and plant your herbs.
mine your own resources for crafting.
Dress and bathe yourself.
peel your own grapes.
Pop your own cork
fight your own battles.

The words make me think I'm a leader who is "the key to our salvation",the heart,
the king on the chess board.

I don't feel this way 90% of the time,cause gameplay doesn't really jive with the role you are supposed to be playing.

 

If this gameplay tried to play it up as you being the leader of a powerful faction to address these issues, 90% of the game would be nothing but war table missions and you telling other people to go risk their lives for you. The other 10% would be closing rifts since you're the only one who can do that, but you would be escorted by half your army to rifts that are already secured.

 

Also even if I become the most powerful person in the galaxy, I'm still putting my own damn pants on =P

[dlux]

"Well, you seem to be on a personal crusade to try and discredit anybody with a negative opinion" Not really. You've been hitting out at quite a few people with rudeness, including myself. You may have an opinion, but your way of expressing it is rather antagonizing. I am only one of many people who has witnessed this, today. The OP here has already been rather rude in his delivery of responses, typically to those who have attempted to provide helpful responses to the original question. Therefore, I think he's a troll, not because of his/her opinion, but because of his/her delivery. Also, the OP didn't even provide a negative opinion, to my knowledge, just negative and hostile replies to others.

 

Now for that all important definition of 'troll', courtesy of Urban Dictionary:

"One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument"

 

Oooooooooh!! That sounds familliar!

Yep, that is what you and your buddys TommyServo and Jaron Oberyn (and one or two others) are doing here. E.g.: 

 

"Came here to answer a question. 

Leaving to avoid feeding the troll. "

 

You and Jaron Oberyn don't even know the definition of "social skills", I am not surprised that they are seriously lacking.

[dlux]

Interaction is rudimentary. You've accused several people of being incapable of accepting your differing opinion. Acceptance is not a social skill. 

You are confusing approval with acceptance and respect.

 

You don't know how to interact with people that have a different point of view and don't know how to respond appropriately. I.e. you are being disrespectful and trolling.

[Cyonan]

So I take it these forums have just temporarily become the grounds for the dickwaving match between Dlux and Ronnie?

[ronniecross2]

you, TommyServo and Jaron Oberyn (and one or two others)

 

So by that logic, put a bunch of people in a room. One of them causes a scene, everyone else is a troll.

 

I rest my case. 

[ronniecross2]

So I take it these forums have just temporarily become the grounds for the dickwaving match between Dlux and Ronnie?

 

Not really. There was a thread where Dlux started hitting out at a bunch of users, myself included. For some reason, that was bought into this thread when the other one got quiet. Maker knows why :-S

 

At this stage though, I think I'm gonna bow out, it's getting pretty ridiculous and there are better ways to occupy my time. 

[dlux]

So by that logic, put a bunch of people in a room. One of them causes a scene, everyone else is a troll.

 

I rest my case. 

The only people causing a scene are the people who can't accept negative opinions about this game and are disrespectful. I accept your opinion, like the game all you want if it makes you happy, I don't care. I hate the game and will state that as often as I see fit. There is no need for you and your buddys (well, mostly you) to throw a fit about that.

[FKA_Servo]

Not really. There was a thread where Dlux started hitting out at a bunch of users, myself included. For some reason, that was bought into this thread when the other one got quiet. Maker knows why :-S

 

At this stage though, I think I'm gonna bow out, it's getting pretty ridiculous and there are better ways to occupy my time. 

Possibly crushing loneliness. Remember, he followed us here from that other thread.

 

It was a pretty masterful derailment though. Definitely not his first troll rodeo.