85 Antworten in diesem Thema

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Why should he? There is no reason to assume there is hidden mad mage lair under the foundry. And really, why should Hawke pay that much attention to few murders? Those were hardly the first ones during Hawkes stay in Kirkwall. Hell, Hawke himself killed more people than most of the bad guys.

The events of Act II happen three years later, it could take weeks or months for Quentin to return and he could check whether the guards are there on regular basis since no-one knew who he was in the first place. Then again since the guardsmen or templars did not find his hideout, there was no reason to keep the guards there for prolonged period, was there?

Neither Hawke nor Aveline have the script of the game, there is no reason for them to know there is any lair.

 

May as well ask why Hawke did not murder Meredith at any point prior the finale.

A serial killer who, as I understand it, has already shown himself to have the power to summon demons is known to have used it in the past. Having the place discreetly watched (if only for a short time) makes perfect sense regardless of what they do or don't find. As for why Hawke would pay that much attention to a few murders, I don't know. But the fact remains that he does pay attention, if less than he could have. The only reason he always pays less than he could is because Quentin has plot armor, much like Meredith does. And Aveline should be paying attention on her own because it's kinda her job. Especially if she's already made Captain.

[uzivatel]

Its Kirkwall, mages summon demons on pretty much daily basis. And since mages and demons are involved, it is Templar business.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Its Kirkwall, mages summon demons on pretty much daily basis. And since mages and demons are involved, it is Templar business.

The Templars aren't doing their jobs, and someone needs to.

[genuinelyfrans]

I was so sad that you could not save Leandra! It is bad enough that their father had died and then you lose Carter outside of Lothering (at least in my playthrough since I know if you are a mage you lose Bethany). It was especially sad since in the game I had just spoken to her and she was discussing remarrying. Even if it was a drastic measure, I wish there was an option to save Hawke's mother!

[Merle McClure II]

I sorry Riverdales, but I have to agree with uzivatel, Kirkwall is a pot that the City Guard is doing their best to keep from boiling over and there just isn't the time or man power for "long stakeouts", especially when there isn't any reason to suspect that they didn't make a courtesy search of the place and simply missed the trap door.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I sorry Riverdales, but I have to agree with uzivatel, Kirkwall is a pot that the City Guard is doing their best to keep from boiling over and there just isn't the time or man power for "long stakeouts", especially when there isn't any reason to suspect that they didn't make a courtesy search of the place and simply missed the trap door.

Usually I'd agree, but given the danger this guy represents I'd say he should be an exception. He's a known blood mage and suspected serial killer. There should be at least one soldier and at least one runner watching the place from as much cover as they can get for as long as it takes for it to become reasonably sure that he's not coming back. And there should be a third person bugging Cullen until he agrees to work behind Meredith's back to handle this (with Hawke ideally taking some shifts at this job, if the Warden was an Amell.)

[Merle McClure II]

I don't know, given how many blood mages we are led to believe exist in Kirkwall (even accounting for Varric's tall tales), I still think that its not reasonable to devote that much resources for that long of a time. -- In real life even horrible crimes are allowed to go cold and not all of them get solved, in days before computers and easy communication the numbers were even worse then they are today.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I don't know, given how many blood mages we are led to believe exist in Kirkwall (even accounting for Varric's tall tales), I still think that its not reasonable to devote that much resources for that long of a time. -- In real life even horrible crimes are allowed to go cold and not all of them get solved, in days before computers and easy communication the numbers were even worse then they are today.

It's not necessarily about his crimes per se. This guy is a blood mage, who seems to have used blood magic to aid his crimes. That doesn't make him any more reprehensible, but it does make him a bigger danger than most of the other things they're worried about. As for the countless other blood mages, those are worth stopping too, but this is the one they know about and he's the one they strongly suspect has a taste for other peoples' blood. I think this is enough of a threat to be worth a stakeout.

[uzivatel]

This guy is a blood mage, who seems to have used blood magic to aid his crimes.

 

On a side note: do you know who else fits this description?

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

On a side note: do you know who else fits this description?

I assume you're talking about Orsino, since Quentin's apprentice isn't using it to do anything reprehensible that would fit the second half of the description. (Yet. Though I don't begrudge Varric his reaction when the threat arises.) But then again Orsino isn't a known criminal either. Yet. Or were both these guesses wrong? (If so I'm going to guess Potential!Hawke.)

[TEWR]

Orsino wasn't even a practicing blood mage until the end of the game. Before then he was purely an academic one.

[Tremere]

I suppose if you're a blood mage you could keep Leandra very much alive... in a corpse like.

Actually, you'd have to be a Necromancer, which doesn't by default make you a Blood Mage.

[Tremere]

In regards to the original question, I think it was so that the developers would have a way to paint gray areas into the game. If Hawke is a Mage, how does he feel about magic and himself if his mother dies as a result of someone's abuse of it? On the other hand, if his/her sister is a mage how do they then view her? By the same token, a pious Warrior Hawke might take issue with abusive Templars and/or the Circle as a whole, when you consider that his younger sibling is a Mage. Blah, blah... I'm sure you get my meaning. Of course, it's a really easy bridge to cross if you attest actions to the perpetrator and don't make sweeping indictments against everyone who is like "this person or the other".

[Tremere]

Yeah, which is where the genre savvy comes in. I figured there would be something I could do to keep something bad from happening, so I was annoyed when Bethany just dropped seemingly out of nowhere. I felt like they should have shown her getting sick. Someone did point out to me that there is a cutscene where you see your sibling slow down and hold their face in the background as Hawke is talking to someone else. I thought that was a cool, subtle hint.

Yes... That was a subtle hint. I remember the first time I saw it and thought, "Hey, what's happening there?" Then the story moved on and left me wondering... Until...

[uzivatel]

I assume you're talking about Orsino, since Quentin's apprentice isn't using it to do anything reprehensible that would fit the second half of the description.

 

I was thinking about your friend Merrill and possibly even mage Hawke. Yeah, the situation in Kirkwall is that bad.

[LD Little Dragon]

I was thinking about your friend Merrill and possibly even mage Hawke. Yeah, the situation in Kirkwall is that bad.

I don't see the comparision.

 

Merrill is a blood mage, but what crimes are you accusing her of committing with blood magic?  Fixing the eluvian is not a crime.

[uzivatel]

I don't see the comparision.

 

Merrill is a blood mage, but what crimes are you accusing her of committing with blood magic?  Fixing the eluvian is not a crime.

 

Merrill's comments suggest her off-screen activities are not always exactly legal and taking part in Hawkes adventures makes her criminal at one point or another. Her use of blood magic is rather liberal, especially during gameplay.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Merrill's comments suggest her off-screen activities are not always exactly legal and taking part in Hawkes adventures makes her criminal at one point or another. Her use of blood magic is rather liberal, especially during gameplay.

Does she use blood magic (specifically demon summoning, which is the single scariest thing Quentin gets up to) to enable her petty theft and trespassing?

[Natureguy85]

Actually, you'd have to be a Necromancer, which doesn't by default make you a Blood Mage.

 

Had Necromancy been Introduced into DA at that point? I thought the game made it clear it was blood magic.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Had Necromancy been Introduced into DA at that point? I thought the game made it clear it was blood magic.

Raising corpses using spirits had been, but usually these spirits were demons. (Which I think requires the use of blood magic.) Two of these (Justice and the one that possessed Sophia) kept the dead host's memories intact, and Wynne's (which wasn't at all demonic) kept her alive for all intents and purposes even to the point of apparently allowing her free will independent of its own desires. This all seems fairly necromancy-like to me.

[uzivatel]

Does she use blood magic (specifically demon summoning, which is the single scariest thing Quentin gets up to) to enable her petty theft and trespassing?

 

She does not summon demons, she uses blood magic to fuel common spells.

She uses use blood magic, while she is helping some mages to escape, while raiding a chateau, while helping Isabela to get new ship, ... basically while taking part in all the illegal activities Hawke conducts.

[Merle McClure II]

Just to point out that Necromancers were introduced in Awakening at least, although just as a fightable mob and I think only in the Architect's mine. -- I don't remember seeing them in Origins.

[Dutchess]

Had Necromancy been Introduced into DA at that point? I thought the game made it clear it was blood magic.

 

 

Just to point out that Necromancers were introduced in Awakening at least, although just as a fightable mob and I think only in the Architect's mine. -- I don't remember seeing them in Origins.

 

Nope, there already was an "animate dead" spell in DAO. Last of the Walking Bomb tree.

 

"The caster summons a skeleton minion from the corpse of a fallen enemy to fight alongside the party for a short time, although, as a puppet of the caster, it will not use any talents or spells without specific instruction."

 

http://dragonage.wik...ki/Animate_Dead

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Just to point out that Necromancers were introduced in Awakening at least, although just as a fightable mob and I think only in the Architect's mine. -- I don't remember seeing them in Origins.

There's a Genlock Necromancer in Return To Ostagar, and the Warden can learn a spell to put a spirit into a corpse and use it as a puppet. (Ninja'd as to that last bit.)

 

She does not summon demons, she uses blood magic to fuel common spells.

She uses use blood magic, while she is helping some mages to escape, while raiding a chateau, while helping Isabela to get new ship, ... basically while taking part in all the illegal activities Hawke conducts.

And if Aveline wasn't to some degree a hypocrite she'd be punished for all of this. Though I'm not seeing how all this makes Quentin less dangerous or less worthy of using resources to kill, even if I allowed that Merrill was as dangerous as Quentin. (Which I don't. Most of the people Merrill kills attacked her or innocent people first, and the fact that she only communicates with one demon that is under a seal means the single biggest danger of having Quentin run loose applies less to Merrill than to him.)

[Merle McClure II]

Ah, thanks for refreshing my memory ... the entire "Walking Bomb" line just felt clunky to me so I hardly ever use them.