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Man, this game doesn't make the Dalish look good.


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Chuvvy

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According to human accounts- This is all I need to read
 
Why? Because all the elvan accounts were destroyed.
 
So we really just got the cops word that this guy was a dangerous criminal who needed to be killed right? That about sums it up for me.
 
Edit: Just thought about something anyone know the reasons for Orlais's takeover of Fereldan as well? I'm guessing they were also righteous champions of the maker's justice in that case as well?
 
When it comes to who's at fault what's easier to believe guys, that once the elves finally had a homeland they would attempt a hostile takeover that was doomed to fail, from a race of people who almost always avoid fighting when they can, or a country of nobles who kill each other for sport, who also took over and enslaved thier neighbors.


Your confirmation bias is so ridiculous right out of the gate there's no point in even having a discussion with you. Honestly, how is just believing the elves for the sake of believing them more legitament? That makes no sense. It's not like elves have shown that they're actually good at recounting things that have no records, considering they got almost every aspect of their history wrong. Also, according to you, lack of evidence is more believable than actual evidence? You think that the elven tales are any less biased than the human reports? You can't just completely dismiss an argument like that. It's arrogant.

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yeah, I haven't poke at the lore in-game, but I was shocke to discover the freakin' anchor has dalish origins- the thing that can rip a hole in the heavens

 

I really really love the face markings, so to find out they're slave markings.... ugghhhh


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LobselVith8

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I'm pretty certain I'm not the only one who noticed, but the new lore and information put the Dalish in a new perspective, and not a very good one.

 

First, the whole thing about them not really knowing their past at all. That's excusable to a degree, they're holding on to whatever scraps they think is Elven culture, even former slave tatoos. But the sheer ignorance is rather unfortunate for a group that seems to pride itself on being the last remnant of True Elven Culture and had a huge chip on their shoulders because of it. It seems even Morrigan knows more of elves than the Dalish.

 

Being proud of being free of Andrastian humans who want them to convert and live in perpetual servitude is hardly a bad thing. We also have the rather problematic issue of the quest sometimes confusing the Dalish Inquisitor for a human Inquisitor, such as the line where the elven protagonist asks Morrigan who Mythal is, which is akin to Leliana asking Morrigan who Andraste is.

 

Still, not as bad as the wonderful custom of dumping excess mages out the camp at seven and letting them fend for themselves. No friggin wonder Minaeve is pissed off at them and wants nothing to do with hr own culture. The Circles still seem preferable than being thrown into the wide world with no family, no clan, no protection, and no anti-demon training. Maybe not all clans practice this custom, true, but it's still an awful thing to do to a child.

 

You're referencing a single clan, and the dialogue with Lavellan can have him say that Clan Lavellan would never do that, since they allow mages to stay with the clan, and allow them to go with clans who need mages, like Clan Alerion did with Merrill. Merrill's codex also reads that this is actually a very common practice among the Dalish: "As each generation passes, magic becomes more rare among the Dalish. As the gift dies out, talented children are moved between clans so that every Keeper has a successor, and no clan is in danger of being left without guidance."

 

There's also the example of Zathrian's clan, who welcomed another mage into their clan when they already had three mages, and never exiled him or brought him to another clan.

 

Then, we learn from the Dalish on Solas's first personal quest (where you activate the Elven artifact) that her Keeper summoned a demon that wiped out the entre clan. How many Keepers or First did we see use dangerous magic to the detriment of their clan now? Zathrian, Merill, and now this. These folks don't seem to have much discipline with their magic.

 

You're judging an entire ethnic group of men, women, and children who live across the entire scope of the continent (and who have thrived for centuries after the fall and occupation of their homeland) based on three people? That's quite silly.

 

And then, the final nail in the coffin comes in the Knights's Tomb: for some time it was (mostly) accepted that Red Crossing was an excuse by the Chantry to wipe out the Dales. Turns out, the Dalish did attack the town, for no other reason than one of their own decided not to follow their creed (so much for freedom eh?). So while the Exalted March might have been overkill, coupled with the fact that the Dalish refused to help during the Second Bligth it's still hard to feel sorry for them.

 

You mean the story in the scroll started with the murder of an elf by humans, and Emerald Knights were tracking one of their own who they were worried might spill their secrets. You're also leaving out that the scroll references previous fights with humans at the border, and that even the quest itself involves Keeper Hawen's clan admitting they were wrong because humans and elves were responsible for the start of the war.

 

We're also not factoring Emperor Drakon's issues with the Dales that prevented him from conquering the Free Marches, the border skirmishes between the two nations, the Andrastian incursions into the Dales (by missionaries and templars) to force religious conversation that are referenced in the historical accounts of the City Elves and the Dalish. It's hardly one-sided.


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