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[thanotos omega]

I was already a little peeved that the scene still plays when i choose the option that equates to pointing out that religion is the root of the problem, but then i have to sit trough a long cut scene that basically amounts to a big middle finger to my choice, I just turn of the tv and wait now but why should i have to? why is this scene unskippable? then again why are any cutscenes not skippable? that seems kind of lame to be honest, in fact just make all cut scenes skippable.

[Kantr]

It's not a middle finger. Just a demonstration of how faith can bring people together. Or a good sing along.

[thanotos omega]

It's not a middle finger. Just a demonstration of how faith can bring people together. Or a good sing along.

I would be more inclined to believe that, if not for the only Atheists in the games being Stereotypes or evil, outside of maybe Solas,

[Spectre Impersonator]

I haven't gotten to the ending yet but that was the best, most evocative part of the game, yet. Sorry you can't bear it.

[Kantr]

I would be more inclined to believe that, if not for the only Atheists in the games being Stereotypes or evil, outside of maybe Solas,

http://www.polygon.c...-religion-death

 

Can you be an athiest in a world where God is out to get you?

[Unchangeable Appearance]

As a fellow atheist: shut up. You're playing a game set in a fictional medieval-style world with a fictional religion. If you can't separate that from your real life views then don't play a roleplaying game. 

[thanotos omega]

http://www.polygon.c...-religion-death

 

Can you be an athiest in a world where God is out to get you?

Yes i can, the only "Gods" we see in game are all just really powerful but still mortal entities, the Maker on the other hand is precision engineered to be an unknown, So yeah, just like in the real world if all evidence points in another direction that's the direction i am going to lean,

 

Besides even in games with provable gods i maintain they should be killed as they have always proven more harm then help, Looking at you Elder Scrolls,

[thanotos omega]

As a fellow atheist: shut up. You're playing a game set in a fictional medieval-style world with a fictional religion. If you can't separate that from your real life views then don't play a roleplaying game. 

To be fair. i would be complaining just as much if i just gave a speech about races getting along and then the game made me sit through a long scene of elves being rounded up and caged,

[Spectre Impersonator]

If you can't see past the faith of the chantry to the faith of all these characters in the Inquisition's cause and the hero's role, then I'm afraid you're just way too focused on religion. It's a scene about hope, not God.

[Sartoz]

That song evoked a most emotional moment. It inspired and gave hope to the survivors that were at their lowest moment in their lives.

[SoulRebel_1979]

Hated that scene. Felt like I was watching a cheesy Hallmark movie. Really wish it was skippable. 

[thanotos omega]

If you can't see past the faith of the chantry to the faith of all these characters in the Inquisition's cause and the hero's role, then I'm afraid you're just way too focused on religion. It's a scene about hope, not God.

My character just pointed out that Faith was the root of the whole mess, at least have him walk off and chat with Solas while they sing their song,

 

 

That song evoked a most emotional moment. It inspired and gave hope to the survivors that were at their lowest moment in their lives.

I am not immune to moving moments, even those based on religion, I maintain that God help the outcasts was a moving and powerful moment, the difference is i didn't just tell Esmeralda that she was wrong and part of the issue we were facing,

[DaemionMoadrin]

I get that this moment was important but that doesn't mean I want to watch it. Let me skip cutscenes please, especially song and dance numbers.

The first time it played, I got up to get something to drink and was upset it was still playing when I came back.

[CronoDragoon]

I would be more inclined to believe that, if not for the only Atheists in the games being Stereotypes or evil, outside of maybe Solas,

 

Morrigan and Solas are both atheists and two of the best Dragon Age characters.

[Spectre Impersonator]

My character just pointed out that Faith was the root of the whole mess, at least have him walk off and chat with Solas while they sing their song,

Faith isn't necessarily just in a god. The song could as easily be interpreted as faith in characters and people to get through their current situation.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Morrigan and Solas are both atheists and two of the best Dragon Age characters.

 

I am not sure you can really count Solas as an atheist though... (spoilers) ... and also he spoke to me a lot about faith.

[Realyn]

One of the best scenes in the game and people want to skip it. Wow. And even if you don't like the scene, it's not even a long scene. If you want to skip scenes that take maybe a few minutes because you don't like 'm, I think you're playing the wrong game. Hell, I think it takes all of 30-40 seconds before Solas pulls you aside. 

 

People who want to skip this scene, because they (in-character) blame religion for the bad **** that's happening are kinda missing the point. It's not about what the inquisitor believes. It's about nearly everyone else who's with you who do believe and needs it to hold on to that last glimmer of hope before they are sucked into the evil, green sky rupture of death™ by a guy who just quite literally killed a good chunk of their friends and loved ones and left them stranded on top of a freezing mountain.

 

I'm not religious. Not by a long shot. And even when my character disagrees completely with their religious views, (s)he can understand the need for this moment. Hell, it's pretty much what Solas says after the song. 

[DaemionMoadrin]

One of the best scenes in the game and people want to skip it. Wow. And even if you don't like the scene, it's not even a long scene. If you want to skip scenes that take maybe a few minutes because you don't like 'm, I think you're playing the wrong game. Hell, I think it takes all of 30-40 seconds before Solas pulls you aside. 

 

People who want to skip this scene, because they (in-character) blame religion for the bad **** that's happening are kinda missing the point. It's not about what the inquisitor believes. It's about nearly everyone else who's with you who do believe and needs it to hold on to that last glimmer of hope before they are sucked into the evil, green sky rupture of death™ by a guy who just quite literally killed a good chunk of their friends and loved ones and left them stranded on top of a freezing mountain.

 

I'm not religious. Not by a long shot. And even when my character disagrees completely with their religious views, (s)he can understand the need for this moment. Hell, it's pretty much what Solas says after the song. 

 

For me, that's not even the problem. It's a matter of pacing. I just got out of Haven after an exciting battle... I want to rebuild, I want to get revenge on Corypheus, I want to be active. I do not want to sit there waiting for a cheesy cutscene to play out, especially not when I saw it in an earlier playthrough.

I agree with Solas, this song was what my people needed... but I as the gamer should have the ability to skip it.

 

This is a matter of game mechanics and not of content. Why can I skip pretty much every cutscene except for this one? Is that the developers saying: "We put so much work into this song, we demand you watch it!"? Because **** that and **** your game then.

 

And yes, I skipped Leliana's song in DA:O after the first time, too.

[Lux]

I loved that scene and the whole questline. Didn't even try to see if you can skip it. 

[thanotos omega]

For me, that's not even the problem. It's a matter of pacing. I just got out of Haven after an exciting battle... I want to rebuild, I want to get revenge on Corypheus, I want to be active. I do not want to sit there waiting for a cheesy cutscene to play out, especially not when I saw it in an earlier playthrough.

I agree with Solas, this song was what my people needed... but I as the gamer should have the ability to skip it.

 

This is a matter of game mechanics and not of content. Why can I skip pretty much every cutscene except for this one? Is that the developers saying: "We put so much work into this song, we demand you watch it!"? Because **** that and **** your game then.

 

And yes, I skipped Leliana's song in DA:O after the first time, too.

Exactly even i at the end of my opening post pointed out that there shouldn't be any scenes we can't skip,

[Realyn]

For me, that's not even the problem. It's a matter of pacing. I just got out of Haven after an exciting battle... I want to rebuild, I want to get revenge on Corypheus, I want to be active. I do not want to sit there waiting for a cheesy cutscene to play out, especially not when I saw it in an earlier playthrough.

I agree with Solas, this song was what my people needed... but I as the gamer should have the ability to skip it.

 

This is a matter of game mechanics and not of content. Why can I skip pretty much every cutscene except for this one? Is that the developers saying: "We put so much work into this song, we demand you watch it!"? Because **** that and **** your game then.

 

And yes, I skipped Leliana's song in DA:O after the first time, too.

 

Pacing? I thought it was perfectly executed to have this moment following directly after an exciting, fast-paced event that resulted in a pretty devastating loss. Expecting everyone to just 'pick up their stuff, move on and rebuild' is not only unrealistic, it's downright stupid. If not for Solas knowing about Skyhold, the Inquisition would've probably ended right there and then.

 

That all being said, I do agree that it is weird that you have the option to skip everything except this bit. While I won't ever understand anyone wanting to skip it or anything else in the game that has a major impact on the story itself, it is weird from a purely technical standpoint. 

 

Yet again, it's 30-40 seconds of song you have to sit through. Big ffing deal 

[Lord Vallis]

I was already a little peeved that the scene still plays when i choose the option that equates to pointing out that religion is the root of the problem, but then i have to sit trough a long cut scene that basically amounts to a big middle finger to my choice, I just turn of the tv and wait now but why should i have to? why is this scene unskippable? then again why are any cutscenes not skippable? that seems kind of lame to be honest, in fact just make all cut scenes skippable.

 

 

I don't know about that....

 

I'd be happy if I only had the option to ask her if she knows any Van Halen.

[Sartoz]

I was already a little peeved that the scene still plays when i choose the option that equates to pointing out that religion is the root of the problem, but then i have to sit trough a long cut scene that basically amounts to a big middle finger to my choice, I just turn of the tv and wait now but why should i have to? why is this scene unskippable? then again why are any cutscenes not skippable? that seems kind of lame to be honest, in fact just make all cut scenes skippable.

This reminds me of a heated class debate in high school.

 

"how can you miss love if you never loved?"

[Lady_Intimidator]

I personally love the song, its why I have it on my mp3 player. And if you listen, you realize the tune is apart of the main theme for the game. Which adds to its power.The scene was very emotional and powerful either way. 

That said, as far as religion in the game goes. I'd love more dialog options regarding other faiths, rather your character is Qunari, Dalish, shares Tavinter's views that Andraste was a Mage, or simply dont believe in the Maker. 

[Vox Draco]

So ... it should play out a bit like THIS scene? Would be indeed funny if we had THAT oprion in game, gave me a good chuckle imagining this

 

 

But really, I don't really get it when people all get crazy when confronted with "religion". I am like Dorian in thiat (not gay however), and as he tells us: He is Andrastian, but does not need the Chantry. And also he thinks the Maker does not need him/us to pray to him, but the people need it.

 

I always liked it that religion does play a significant role in Thedas. That gods are still mysterious and not running around in person (like in Baldurs Gate and the like), that we get a sense of the people and what they feel about the Maker, Jesus Christine/Andraste and all that.

 

There is also in DAO a small scene during the preparation for the battle of Ostagar, before the charge, when a chantry-sister is blessing the army with her incense and so on. I always loved this little touch. And I like the singing.

 

It is NOT important whether your Inquisitor is Atheist, believes in the Maker or whatever s/he answers to the Mother Giselle. this scene is, in fact, NOT about the main char! It is about the people following the Quizzy, and what they hope and belive in. Shocking, but the Quizzy aka ourselves are not always meant to be the center of all things happening on screen

 

NOW CUT THE SINGING!