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[ThreeF]

It's really interesting sometimes how some players react to things.

 

I was already a little peeved that the scene still plays when i choose the option that equates to pointing out that religion is the root of the problem, but then i have to sit trough a long cut scene that basically amounts to a big middle finger to my choice

 

Maybe it is a big middle finger on Mother Giselle's part or maybe you can view it as her attempt to show you that religion matters to the people who follow you even if you don't believe.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Who cares about the content? It's a long cutscene and we should be able to skip it. Especially on the nth playthrough.

[In Exile]

I would be more inclined to believe that, if not for the only Atheists in the games being Stereotypes or evil, outside of maybe Solas,

That's ridiculous. I'm as atheist as they come and the whole point of the scene is mother Giselle exploiting circumstances and religious fenvor to make you into a Messiah. That's the most pro-atheist spin on it. You can't get more into what we believe than showing that supposedly divine intervention is just clever political manipulation of events.

[Marika]

I would say for a first playthrough make it unskippable but for every new game after the first make it skippable. It does get annoying after about the third time.

[In Exile]

Playing a brutally violent Inquisitor, I was extremely peeved I couldn't take out a knife and gut Mother Giselle the moment she started singing, then turn to everybody else and say, "You sing, you're next."

Being able to skip the song would have been the next best thing; it has nothing to do with faith, and everything to do with somebody attempting to force their beliefs on my character.

The game doesn't let you roleplay an idiot or a psycho, sadly.

[Jinnrou]

That scene was cheesy beyond redemption. Sure, there was a point to deliver but the inquisitor could have given a speech to encourage the people instead of that song. But this is always the case with Bioware games. Mediocre story and average execution.

 

Let's sing a song and bring everyone together. Except the gravely wounded soldiers over there are probably cursing us.

[Ryzaki]

Who cares about the content? It's a long cutscene and we should be able to skip it. Especially on the nth playthrough.

 

This.

 

Same for all the other unskippable crap in this game. This isn't the 90s cutscenes should all be skippable now.

[KaiserShep]

Playing a brutally violent Inquisitor, I was extremely peeved I couldn't take out a knife and gut Mother Giselle the moment she started singing, then turn to everybody else and say, "You sing, you're next."

Being able to skip the song would have been the next best thing; it has nothing to do with faith, and everything to do with somebody attempting to force their beliefs on my character.

It'd only be fitting that having this option also comes with the consequence that the entirety of the survivors abandon you right then and there. It doesn't matter how much one feels the people may need the Herald to solve the conflict. If this person is going to brutally murder people, particularly someone as important as Mother Gisselle in front of everyone, incentive to follow kinda plummets. After all, the Herald was recently accused of murdering the Divine. Being able to play a psycho should come with balanced results.

[Asakti]

The only reason I want it skippable, is that if you want to mess around with what you say when you become Inquisitor and reload a save, you have to go all the way back to when you find the camp.  And talk to Mother Giselle; the song; Solas talk; finding Skyhold.  It is a frickin' long thing to go through just to try out different replies.  And none of it you can quick-skip through.

[Gundar3]

I too felt the scene itself was a little cheesy, specifically the lyrics of the song, even though I liked the message of hope and all that.  Skip warranting?  nah. 

 

The religion in Thedas debate is always a fun one.  I thought BW did a (suprisingly) good job at catering to the middle ground for their audience in terms of religion vs atheism, especially after all the screaming threads by the DA2 community saying down with the chantry, I hate religion blah blah.  Afterall, you cant convert any1 nor sway any1 against the maker.  At best, your character can say "yes" or "no" when asked, with very little force behind either statement.    

 

Theres not much BW can do if you want to try and interject your own modern religious/anti sentiments into the the character in an entirely fictional world.  I think they already did enough retconning of the cultures and peoples of Thedas to try to appeal to their new audience. 

 

Its so weird to look at the shifting BW community as a whole with the new gamers coming in and the old ones getting out, and the devs as well.     

[Riladel]

I liked that scene, its kinda sad, I think I even dropped a tear or two

[rak72]

I thought Liliana sounded pitchy.

[prosthetic soul]

I just didn't like how the lyrics alluded to Mass Effect 3.  Therefore, it should be skippable. 

[SnakeCode]

I think that whole scene is great. I just hate that the song is so over produced. A bunch of cold, hungry and injured people sat in the snow shouldn't sing like some choir being autotuned in a sound booth. It's so jarring to hear it. I felt the same with Leliana's song in Origins.

[DaemionMoadrin]

It should be skippable because it's a cutscene. Pretty much any other cutscene in the game can be skipped, so why not this one, too?

This is a gameplay issue and not related to the content at all. Or should I assume that BioWare wants to force me to sit through it each time because they want to deliver a certain message?

 

If you ever tried to save all the NPCs in Haven, then you know you only find out if you succeeded in Skyhold. That means each attempt forces you to wait until the cutscene is over.

 

Not sure why I expect logic and sensibility from BioWare anymore. They make me wait through the stupid "Dragon Age: Inquisition automatically saves data. When this icon is displayed, please do not close the game." screen each and every time I start it, too.

[KBomb]

Faith isn't necessarily just in a god. The song could as easily be interpreted as faith in characters and people to get through their current situation.

This is exactly how I took the scene. They were showing that they had faith in the Herald. It makes me wonder what choices the OP made when speaking with Mother Giselle-- I am playing an elf and when speaking to Giselle, I don't think I chose any options indicating that I believed in Andraste or that I believed I was the Herald and after the song, she said something about "Even a war needs a cause.", or something.

That pretty much gave me the feeling that it was show that even if I didn't see myself as the "answer", they did. I have been playing an elf that doesn't believe in Andraste and I don't remember an instance when it felt forced on me-- in fact, I almost always had an option to uphold that.

[Sartoz]

Who cares about the content? It's a long cutscene and we should be able to skip it. Especially on the nth playthrough.

I usually get up and make myself a cup of tea.  Mostly, it happens during some long loading sequences.

[TheJiveDJ]

Meh, I'd like the option to skip it if only for the fact that the scene is terribly cringe-inducing (for me). Also, the audio engineer in me dies a little inside at the over-processed, unnatural-sounding singing voices, and the inappropriate use of reverb that makes them sound like they're in a cathedral. They're a bunch of rag-tag pilgrims in the middle of nowhere... it should sound a little more... gritty...

[KaiserShep]

Meh, I'd like the option to skip it if only for the fact that the scene is terribly cringe-inducing (for me). Also, the audio engineer in me dies a little inside at the over-processed, unnatural-sounding singing voices, and the inappropriate use of reverb that makes them sound like they're in a cathedral. They're a bunch of rag-tag pilgrims in the middle of nowhere... it should sound a little more... gritty...

Yeah, it seems a bit too artificial, but I admit that despite the can of corn it opens, I actually greatly enjoy this scene. If it sounded more natural, with more imperfections in some of the vocals and lack of obvious audio processing, it would probably absolutely love it.

 

But still, it's light years away from Leliana's camp singing. The only other time I felt such discomfort around my eyes was when I ate too much wasabi.

[X Equestris]

Playing a brutally violent Inquisitor, I was extremely peeved I couldn't take out a knife and gut Mother Giselle the moment she started singing, then turn to everybody else and say, "You sing, you're next."
 
Being able to skip the song would have been the next best thing; it has nothing to do with faith, and everything to do with somebody attempting to force their beliefs on my character.

And you aren't forcing your views on those other characters when you threaten them? As someone else in this thread said, such an action would logically result in everyone abandoning your cause or turning on you.

[AutumnWitch]

As I read this thread I realise how many people are either incredibly jaded or have lived such a safe, sheltered life they simply have no idea how truly terrifying war and such can be. It's been so long since any type of conflict that most of the people who live in the West have never had to worry about being safe or the entire world/society coming undone. 

 

The Dawn Will Come is the best and most moving scene in the whole game by far. If you think people don't sing together in war for inspiration you are terribly naive and ignorant. There are plenty of documented examples of the troops singing "in the trenches" together especially Christmas carols in WW I and WWII. I can promise you everyone participated as well. Singing and music general engenders feelings of togetherness, home and those we love and care for. When people are at their lowest coming together in these type of actives give them hope and reassurance and the joy of simply seeing the better side of humanity when so many have seen the worst.

 

I know I will get flamed for this post but hey I had to say something.  

[Akka le Vil]

Why in the hell would you ever want to skip this scene? 

 

It's cheesy and cringe-inducing. I get the idea behind it (and would love it if it were well done, regardless of my or my character's opinion about the Maker), but it doesn't feel natural and made me feel more embarassed than elevated.

 

It just feels like a corny Hollywood set up.