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[KBomb]

Well, it was one of my favorite scenes, even in all it's delicious cheesiness.

That being said, you should have the option to skip cutscenes. I watch every scene the first go 'round, but after the third of forth time, even my favorite scenes seem boring.

[SunburnedPenguin]

Well, it was one of my favorite scenes, even in all it's delicious cheesiness.

That being said, you should have the option to skip cutscenes. I watch every scene the first go 'round, but after the third of forth time, even my favorite scenes seem boring.

 

I was going to say this too. It is a very moving scene the first 2 times, maybe 3, but the option to skip it and all other cut scenes is needed. I don't want to sit through the same scenes every time.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Same here. I would have preferred to have an option to skip the song. Not because of religious reasons but the song, like Josephine's romance arc, is so cheesy, so awkward and out of place.

 

I mean here you have a group of people who want to create a dark and gritty fantasy world that borrows inspiration from things like Game of Thrones. 

 

So here is a really crappy moment in the game, your base annihilated by the big bad and what do they do ? They sing some feel good song instead of troubleshooting or accepting the reality and moving forward. If this was a Disney movie or My Little Pony or Teletubbies, I can get this song but this is Dragon Age. 

 

What Bioware should have done is take a leaf out of Shepard's and Captain America's book and allowed the Inquisitor to give a rousing badass speech. Because that's how its done in a war. You give your battle talk to re-energize and revitalize, not stand around a fire in a place that is freaking cold and break out into a spontaneous feel good song band.

 

All in all, the song felt out of place. Can anyone ever imagine the Warden and Alistair, in front of Flemeth's hut, after all the crap that had happened in the Warden's origin story and in Ostagar, to break out and sing a feel good song ? Can anyone ever imagine the Dragonborn, after escaping with their life from Helgen, break out into a random feel good song ?

 

No. Why ? Because shite happened, they dealt with it to the best of their ability and it was the time to move forward. 

 

In my opinion, this song is shoehorned into the game to give it mainstream fweewwingzz appeal but instead what it did was detract from the tone of the narrative and the plot. 

[Hathur]

I agree it should be skippable like the rest of dialogue... but to be you make it sound like it's several minutes long.. the song from mother giselle is in fact 40 seconds long, EXACTLY. Not 1 minute, just 40 seconds (I have a video playthrough of the game.. i checked my video and looked at the time index, song is exactly 40 seconds long... although the unskippable lead up before the song starts might add an extra 10-15 seconds, not sure).

 

Would be nice if it was skippable yes, but let's not make a mountain out of a mole hill when it's 40 seconds you could take to stretch your legs, have a drink, etc.

[DragonKill83]

I can see the option to skip it after the first time it's been viewed.  But the first time it played, it was a pretty stunning moment for me.  Especially after trudging through all that snow.....

[Akka le Vil]

Same here. I would have preferred to have an option to skip the song. Not because of religious reasons but the song, like Josephine's romance arc, is so cheesy, so awkward and out of place.

 

I mean here you have a group of people who want to create a dark and gritty fantasy world that borrows inspiration from things like Game of Thrones. 

 

So here is a really crappy moment in the game, your base annihilated by the big bad and what do they do ? They sing some feel good song instead of troubleshooting or accepting the reality and moving forward. If this was a Disney movie or My Little Pony or Teletubbies, I can get this song but this is Dragon Age. 

 

 

I agree it's awkward and cheesy, but I disagree that having a bunch of war-weary soldiers bursting into song is in itself out of context. Singing together is actually a pretty natural reaction - less today with our technological ability to put music in the background, but it was a VERY common occurence until very recently, cue all the war songs and march songs in history.

 

So, again, it's more of a problem in execution (Bioware is no stranger to cheesiness ) than concept.

[KBomb]

Same here. I would have preferred to have an option to skip the song. Not because of religious reasons but the song, like Josephine's romance arc, is so cheesy, so awkward and out of place.

I mean here you have a group of people who want to create a dark and gritty fantasy world that borrows inspiration from things like Game of Thrones.

So here is a really crappy moment in the game, your base annihilated by the big bad and what do they do ? They sing some feel good song instead of troubleshooting or accepting the reality and moving forward. If this was a Disney movie or My Little Pony or Teletubbies, I can get this song but this is Dragon Age.

What Bioware should have done is take a leaf out of Shepard's and Captain America's book and allowed the Inquisitor to give a rousing badass speech. Because that's how its done in a war. You give your battle talk to re-energize and revitalize, not stand around a fire in a place that is freaking cold and break out into a spontaneous feel good song band.

All in all, the song felt out of place. Can anyone ever imagine the Warden and Alistair, in front of Flemeth's hut, after all the crap that had happened in the Warden's origin story and in Ostagar, to break out and sing a feel good song ? Can anyone ever imagine the Dragonborn, after escaping with their life from Helgen, break out into a random feel good song ?

No. Why ? Because shite happened, they dealt with it to the best of their ability and it was the time to move forward.

In my opinion, this song is shoehorned into the game to give it mainstream fweewwingzz appeal but instead what it did was detract from the tone of the narrative and the plot.

Giving a badass, rousing speech would have definitely felt out of place. The feel of the Inquisitor was about helplessness, lost faith and feeling as if the whole situation is hopeless and the cause lost.

The scene could be seen in two ways depending on how you wish to see them. That Giselle was using your weak moment to exploit politics, or that she wanted you to see that even though you lost hope-- you were their hope. They didn't feel helpless or hopeless. Their faith lay within the Herald. The scene wasn't meant to rouse people for battle, it was meant to inspire and uplift.

Whether you like it or think it's a horrible scene, I don't think it was out of place.

[Syre297]

 

Besides even in games with provable gods i maintain they should be killed as they have always proven more harm then help, Looking at you Elder Scrolls,

This made me snort and almost spit water at my laptop. HA!

[maia0407]

 

I agree it's awkward and cheesy, but I disagree that having a bunch of war-weary soldiers bursting into song is in itself out of context. Singing together is actually a pretty natural reaction - less today with our technological ability to put music in the background, but it was a VERY common occurence until very recently, cue all the war songs and march songs in history.

 

So, again, it's more of a problem in execution (Bioware is no stranger to cheesiness ) than concept.

I cringed at Leliana's campfire song in Origins and cringed again when I heard the bards in Inquisition. Then, I got to the awkward singing after Haven and just rolled my eyes. The moment itself was nice and the singing in and of itself isn't a problem. Songs can bring people together.  It's just that BW handles characters singing awkwardly. The singing should be natural with no enhancements to the voice and no instruments playing from out of the blue. Leliana and the bards sound like they are in a modern recording studio when they sing. And unless there is an orchestra or somebody somewhere has an instrument, there should be no instruments playing. I'm always pulled right out of the game when I hear any type of singing due to these problems.

[Fandango]

Aye, being able to remove oneself from the (frankly rather cheesy) sing-along would represent a useful option to those rolling a non-believer.  

[Akka le Vil]

I cringed at Leliana's campfire song in Origins and cringed again when I heard the bards in Inquisition. Then, I got to the awkward singing after Haven and just rolled my eyes. The moment itself was nice and the singing in and of itself isn't a problem. Songs can bring people together.  It's just that BW handles characters singing awkwardly. The singing should be natural with no enhancements to the voice and no instruments playing from out of the blue. Leliana and the bards sound like they are in a modern recording studio when they sing. And unless there is an orchestra or somebody somewhere has an instrument, there should be no instruments playing. I'm always pulled right out of the game when I hear any type of singing due to these problems.

 

I didn't cringe at Leliana's song, but I totally get what you mean - the instruments and change of voice are definitely rather weird, but I just pretend it's the characters listening who adds the music in their mind.

 

I don't have problems with the bards, though (save for the fact their lyrics overwrite the other conversations subtitles, which drives me mad), they sound pretty normal and have only their own instrument to accompany the song. But I understand that someone with better ears than me could notice if the voices are specially processed/recorded, and if it's the case it could be grating.

[Silcron]

It's a good moment, but I still stand by that every scene should be skippable. If anything because if other playthroughs I may not want ot hear the song again and just get to Skyhold (you turned on your TV, I ended up letting all the dialogue play out and just played a match of Hearthstone in my second playthrough).

I mean, if they had as an excuse that loading takes place while the scene is going I could maybe let that pass if I'm feeling forgiving, but I've played other games that do that, and still let you skip scenes. If I remember correctly in the Force Unleashed if you press the skip button it just tells you "Sorry, still loading. Still loading, look! It's Darth Vader. Ok, we're done loading you can skip now."

I know there was supposed to be a but in the last paragraph, but I think you're all aware of what would that be.

[sleasye74]

Mother Giselle walks like penguin too, i liked the song and insiration the first time but after i would like to skip it (too cheesy for me)

[DaemionMoadrin]

As I read this thread I realise how many people are either incredibly jaded or have lived such a safe, sheltered life they simply have no idea how truly terrifying war and such can be. It's been so long since any type of conflict that most of the people who live in the West have never had to worry about being safe or the entire world/society coming undone. 

 

The Dawn Will Come is the best and most moving scene in the whole game by far. If you think people don't sing together in war for inspiration you are terribly naive and ignorant. There are plenty of documented examples of the troops singing "in the trenches" together especially Christmas carols in WW I and WWII. I can promise you everyone participated as well. Singing and music general engenders feelings of togetherness, home and those we love and care for. When people are at their lowest coming together in these type of actives give them hope and reassurance and the joy of simply seeing the better side of humanity when so many have seen the worst.

 

I know I will get flamed for this post but hey I had to say something.  

 

No, you are absolutely correct. Even with all the cheesiness and studio quality vocals and instruments out of the blue it fits into the narrative. I am not debating that.

There is still no gameplay reason why I shouldn't be able to skip it if I so choose. I needed five attempts until I was sure I saved everyone in Haven, that meant sitting through the cutscene five times. I am not a fan of stuff like that at all. It makes me cringe, mute the PC and do something else. I get the message, I understand the narrative, fine. Now let's get on with the trek to Skyhold please?

 

Give me one good reason why this scene needs to be unskippable please.

[Innsmouth Dweller]

As I read this thread I realise how many people are either incredibly jaded or have lived such a safe, sheltered life they simply have no idea how truly terrifying war and such can be. It's been so long since any type of conflict that most of the people who live in the West have never had to worry about being safe or the entire world/society coming undone. 

 

The Dawn Will Come is the best and most moving scene in the whole game by far. If you think people don't sing together in war for inspiration you are terribly naive and ignorant. There are plenty of documented examples of the troops singing "in the trenches" together especially Christmas carols in WW I and WWII. I can promise you everyone participated as well. Singing and music general engenders feelings of togetherness, home and those we love and care for. When people are at their lowest coming together in these type of actives give them hope and reassurance and the joy of simply seeing the better side of humanity when so many have seen the worst.

 

I know I will get flamed for this post but hey I had to say something.  

so? it's a game. if i cannot have my PC emit disgusted noises while they sing, i want to be able to at least skip this farce

[Akka le Vil]

Interesting... off-topic posts have been deleted.

 

Tells me that mods only monitor the Feedback forum, and pretty much nowhere else.

 

Or they simply just act when receiving a report and someone reported something. That's usually how moderating works ^^

[In Exile]

Same here. I would have preferred to have an option to skip the song. Not because of religious reasons but the song, like Josephine's romance arc, is so cheesy, so awkward and out of place.

I mean here you have a group of people who want to create a dark and gritty fantasy world that borrows inspiration from things like Game of Thrones.

So here is a really crappy moment in the game, your base annihilated by the big bad and what do they do ? They sing some feel good song instead of troubleshooting or accepting the reality and moving forward. If this was a Disney movie or My Little Pony or Teletubbies, I can get this song but this is Dragon Age.

What Bioware should have done is take a leaf out of Shepard's and Captain America's book and allowed the Inquisitor to give a rousing badass speech. Because that's how its done in a war. You give your battle talk to re-energize and revitalize, not stand around a fire in a place that is freaking cold and break out into a spontaneous feel good song band.

All in all, the song felt out of place. Can anyone ever imagine the Warden and Alistair, in front of Flemeth's hut, after all the crap that had happened in the Warden's origin story and in Ostagar, to break out and sing a feel good song ? Can anyone ever imagine the Dragonborn, after escaping with their life from Helgen, break out into a random feel good song ?

No. Why ? Because shite happened, they dealt with it to the best of their ability and it was the time to move forward.

In my opinion, this song is shoehorned into the game to give it mainstream fweewwingzz appeal but instead what it did was detract from the tone of the narrative and the plot.

Bioware never wanted to create a gritty world. This is obvious because among other things they never did. Don't confuse the fact that there was a great deal of censorship in games with a game being grimdark.

[In Exile]

On the other hand, a badarse rousing speech would have been perfect.

Think about it... everyone's morale is shattered, so the IQ gets up and motivates everybody -- this could also lead to the advisors agreeing that your IQ should be the leader.

That makes a lot less sense. Everyone is down ... and someone gives them a pep talk? Why would a pep talk any less cheesy?

Speeches work to pump people up, but the Inquisition didn't need pumping up. Even if you don't like the song, the substitute has to be something that fits the situation - which is the need to convince people than the Inquisitor is the Messiah.

[Draining Dragon]

The dawn isn't the only thing that will come.

[mkonrad6288]

If they would add the ability to re-watch cutscenes, sounds fine.  Without adding that support, it doesn't seem wise to remove the cutscenes, as someone will miss something important and then say the story makes no sense after accidentally hitting it.

 

It's a moot point on the third replay; at that point, you signed up for the singalong because you like it.

[Captain Wiseass]

Personally, I feel like I'm four years old and watching a Disney movie again.

 

No offence to the Disney fans.

None taken, that's a great feeling.