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[Deathangel008]

NP, you know what, I'll save you the trouble. buy this one if you can.

750W for a single-GPU system... lol. this one is more than sufficient imo.
 

Thank you so much for the advice! I'm glad that going for an i5 rather than an i7 will likely be alright.

whats wrong with the Xeon i suggested?
 

I could spend a little more and get a 280x 3GB, but I'm not sure if there's a huge difference between the 280x and the 270x (appart from the extra 1GB)

~30% more power, + the R9 280X is usually well overclockable.

[UniformGreyColor]

750W for a single-GPU system... lol. this one is more than sufficient imo.

 

whats wrong with the Xeon i suggested?

 

There is nothing wrong with the Xeon. I just feel for normal desktops that are not a server or workstation then an i series works just a bit better.

 

I don't think spending $10 more for 150W more for headroom in case they want to go SLI later and still have room to stay in the optimal power range is not a bad deal. Plus a 10 year warranty plus its Johnny Guru Recommended with a whopping 9.8/10 from him. If you don't know this, Johnny Guru tests these PSUs meticulously so if anyone would know if it is good or not it would be him.

 

You should not take what I recommended as being different from what you recommended to a person for an alternate perspective to be anything to get defensive about. I am trying to help this person get the best value per dollar while keeping high quality component integrity.

[Deathangel008]

There is nothing wrong with the Xeon. I just feel for normal desktops that are not a server or workstation then an i series works just a bit better.

the Xeon E3 1231v3 basically is an i7 4770 without iGPU for less money and does not work worse than any iX.
 

I don't think spending $10 more for 150W more for headroom in case they want to go SLI later and still have room to stay in the optimal power range is not a bad deal. Plus a 10 year warranty plus its Johnny Guru Recommended with a whopping 9.8/10 from him. If you don't know this, Johnny Guru tests these PSUs meticulously so if anyone would know if it is good or not it would be him.

would be nice to know if the OP is even thinking about SLI/CF. if not, 750W is just pure overkill. a system with a current i5/i7/Xeon E3 and a GTX970 consumes less than 350W on full load, and even with 2 970 less than 550W.
 

I am trying to help this person get the best value per dollar while keeping high quality component integrity.

Xeon E3 1231v3

[UniformGreyColor]

the Xeon E3 1231v3 basically is an i7 4770 without iGPU for less money and does not work worse than any iX.
 

would be nice to know if the OP is even thinking about SLI/CF. if not, 750W is just pure overkill. a system with a current i5/i7/Xeon E3 and a GTX970 consumes less than 350W on full load, and even with 2 970 less than 550W.
 

Xeon E3 1231v3

 

All I have to say is I find it strange that you think saving 10 bucks is worth getting a PSU that is largely untested by the general populace and has a good deal less headroom for the future. I will repeat this for the third time and maybe this time you will understand what I am saying. PSUs basically work on a bell curve for their power efficiency. Its also cleaner energy that you are utilizing. The more in the middle between using no W and max W the more efficient the PSU will work drawing less watts from the outlet and saving you money over the long run. That $10 will pay for itself with enough time. A PSU is not something you want to upgrade a lot and doing it on the rare occasion that you do its better to be safe than sorry. A 10 year warranty on this PSU means that you will not have to worry about buying a new PSU for 10 years. What is not to like about this. Someone told you that its best to not overshoot with wattage or something? I really don't think this argument is worth $10 of my time.

 

I found some reading for you.

 

You do understand that the Xeon is in fact a server CPU? the i5s are as low as 200 and that is saving $50. Do you really think this person we both started out trying to help is the type that is going to be doing things that are actually going to be able to utilize the Xeon to the fullest?

[ironhorse384]

I didn't say it but I'm from Argentina, and they're much more expensive than in the USA or other countries.

 

Here, the one you suggest is about $800 usd aprox.... Out of my budget unfortunatelly... 

That's pretty pricey, double what it is here.

[Deathangel008]

All I have to say is I find it strange that you think saving 10 bucks is worth getting a PSU that is largely untested by the general populace and has a good deal less headroom for the future. I will repeat this for the third time and maybe this time you will understand what I am saying. PSUs basically work on a bell curve for their power efficiency. Its also cleaner energy that you are utilizing. The more in the middle between using no W and max W the more efficient the PSU will work drawing less watts from the outlet and saving you money over the long run. That $10 will pay for itself with enough time. A PSU is not something you want to upgrade a lot and doing it on the rare occasion that you do its better to be safe than sorry. A 10 year warranty on this PSU means that you will not have to worry about buying a new PSU for 10 years. What is not to like about this. Someone told you that its best to not overshoot with wattage or something? I really don't think this argument is worth $10 of my time.

strangely i´ve never ever saw someone in a computer-forum i frequently visit recommending a 750W PSU for a system that will use maybe 400W. (but hey, let me guess: all the members there are idiots and dont know what they are talking about?)
(btw the bigger the PSU is the more inefficient it works on low load, like in idle.)
"largely untested"? i dont know where you live (i assume north america?); i live in germany, and here the Straight Power10 is tested and it has turned out that it is a really good PSU.
btw i dont really care about this 10 bucks...
 

I found some reading for you.

i didnt want something to read, and i´m able to find reviews of this PSU by myself if i want to find them, thanks.
i also didnt said that it is a bad PSU, its just too big imo. the only reason i chose the Be Quiet! as an example is that i know that this PSU is good, i could have taken any other high quality 500W PSU to make my point.
 

You do understand that the Xeon is in fact a server CPU? the i5s are as low as 200 and that is saving $50. Do you really think this person we both started out trying to help is the type that is going to be doing things that are actually going to be able to utilize the Xeon to the fullest?

yes, i know that the Xeon is originally made for servers. and? sure, its more expensive than a i5 4460, but its cheaper than the the comparable CPU, which is the i7 4770. i7s were mentioned somewhere here, so why not suggest the Xeon as it offers the same performance for less money? in fact, the Xeon E3 1231v3 is the cheapest 8thread-CPU by Intel.
i dont know if the OP is "the type [of person] that is going to be doing things that are actually going to be able to utilize the Xeon to the fullest", but she wants it as a gaming system, and upcoming games will more likely benefit more from more threads than from higher clocks.
(talking about a 750W PSU for potential upgrades/SLI/CF, but recommending a 4thread-CPU whereas the current-gen consoles have 8threads )

oh, and i´m not the idiot you´re trying to make me look like, thx very much.

[Elodran]

Well, with the savings from the Xenon, one could get the mammoth PSU and still have enough money to go out to lunch and get a beer to simmer down.

[UniformGreyColor]

You may know PC components well, maybe more then me maybe not. One thing you don't know more then me is my motives. Saying that I am trying to make you to look like an idiot is not at all what I am trying to do and I could just as easily argue that you are trying to do that very thing to me. I am not impressed by that leap you are making at all. If you wish to argue lets argue about something that matters instead of trying to one up the other person in some ugly smug elitist fashioned sort of way. I would not have made a single criticism toward your suggestion of what would be an adequate build, but you are the one that started it, not me. Its like your picking a fight just to prove how superior you think you are. Lets just let it be.

[Namea]

Okay so here's where I'm a tad confused...Are all 500w PSU's created equal (aside from brand quality of course) or is there another factor I should consider?

 

Noise really isn't an issue to me. I rather like hearing my computer (It's not super loud but I keep the side panel off since one of the fans is broken so I can hear her a little) 

[Deathangel008]

Okay so here's where I'm a tad confused...Are all 500w PSU's created equal (aside from brand quality of course) or is there another factor I should consider?

they differ in the number of PCIe- and SATA-connectors (but every 500W PSU has enough connectors for at least one graphic card and, i guess, at least 5 (i think even more but i dont know tbh) HDDs/SSDs/ODDs), noise, efficience, size and general quality of components. pretty much everything^^
just buy a quality product, like for example Enermax, SeaSonic or Be Quiet! (there are more as well), and you are fine. avoid PSUs which are "too cheap", for example 550W for ~30$. also they should have at least 90% of its total power available on the 12V rail(s).
 

Noise really isn't an issue to me. I rather like hearing my computer

i could recommend the AMD R9 290X reference design if you want noise

 

Its like your picking a fight just to prove how superior you think you are. Lets just let it be.

not my intention. but maybe i´ve overreacted a bit, sorry for that.

[Aaleel]

I'm kind of late to this thread, but I would look at your present motherboard and see what is the best CPU that it can take.  If it's going to be outdated soon, you may as well build a new PC now rather than have to do it a year from now.

 

Think about what you want to do with the PC, and how long you want to have.  I always say never go cheap on your PC, and always make sure you give yourself room to grow.  Spending a little more up front may save you money down the line because you won't have to upgrade as quickly.

 

I built my PC in Feb 2011.  I7 2600K processor, 12 Gigs of ram, GTX 580 GPU.  Almost four years later I've made one upgrade, a solid state drive which was more of a luxury purchase than a necessity.  The GPU is getting a little arthritic (still totally capable though), but I can upgrade it without having to touch anything else or worry about a bottleneck.

 

For the power supply 500-600W 42 amps all on one 12V rail (very important, not the size but how the power is delivered).  I have a 650W corsair I brought over from my last PC before this one, probably 8 or 9 years old.  I'll swear by Corsair products, my PSU, Ram, SSD, all Corsair, never an issue.

 

Make sure you CPU and GPU have similar ceilings.  No use having a 1000 ft ceiling in the video card if your processor only has a 500 ft ceiling.

 

Get a bunch of ram, it's cheap, 12 or 16 gigs, won't have to upgrade it for A LONG TIME.

 

I'd recommend just building a new PC rather than upgrading.  Odds are your current system is getting outdated and you'll end up having to build a new one soon anyway.  Because once the motherboard and the processor are maxed out you're done.  Once you change the motherboard you're reinstalling the OS, all the programs so you may as well have just done it now.

 

Plus if you keep using your current PC you can look for sales on each component and build more cheaply because you don't have to have it done right now.

 

Sorry to be so long winded, I just see a lot of people make the mistake not realizing spending less money in the beginning may cause you to have to upgrade earlier and more often.

 

Just my 2 cents

[Barbyfly]

New problems!

 

the R9 280x dual OC is no longer available at my reliable store... they only one they have right now is the R9 280x Tri-x, which is an anaconda...

 

My chasis is a V3 Black edition... I'm reading people was able to put this little baby in a V3. Does anyone have done it? Will it fit? 

[Deathangel008]

I'm kind of late to this thread, but I would look at your present motherboard and see what is the best CPU that it can take.  If it's going to be outdated soon, you may as well build a new PC now rather than have to do it a year from now.

her current CPU is a C2Q Q6600 -> Socket 775 -> best possible upgrade would be a faster C2Q -> no real improvement.

@ Namea:
any opinion/feedback on my suggestion in post #41?

my suggestion for the parts would be:
Intel Xeon E3 1231v3: ~250$
a H97 MB: ~100$
AMD R9 290: ~300$ (or a GTX970, preferably the Asus Strix or MSI Gaming 4G: ~350$)
Crucial MX100 256GB: ~110$
(a 1TB HDD: ~50$)

would be a really good system for ~800$.

[Caliann5]

Hi.

 

I am getting a new PC to play this game (my current one can't run it). Are these specs sufficient to play on ultra and generaly run the game without glitches?

 

CPU Desktop Intel Core i5 4460 3 2GHz Haswell

Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600Hz - PC6400 (thing about upgrading to 12 GB or 16)

AMD Radeon R9 280 3GB GDDR5

HARD DISK : 1000GB

[Deathangel008]

Hi.

 

I am getting a new PC to play this game (my current one can't run it). Are these specs sufficient to play on ultra and generaly run the game without glitches?

 

CPU Desktop Intel Core i5 4460 3 2GHz Haswell

Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600Hz - PC6400 (thing about upgrading to 12 GB or 16)

AMD Radeon R9 280 3GB GDDR5

HARD DISK : 1000GB

in fhd you´ll get less than 40 fps avg on ultra (including 4xMSAA) with the R9 280. i dont know if thats enough for you; if you want to play on ultra with 60fps you need a R9 290X. i would recommend at least a R9 280X.
CPU should be sufficient. if you can(/want to) spend more i would like to suggest the Xeon E3 1231v3 (yes i know, serverCPU, but thats not a problem, just make sure that it is supported by the BIOS of your MB) which has 8 threads instead of only 4 which could be useful for upcoming games.
no SSD?

[Caliann5]

in fhd you´ll get less than 40 fps avg on ultra (including 4xMSAA) with the R9 280. i dont know if thats enough for you; if you want to play on ultra with 60fps you need a R9 290X. i would recommend at least a R9 280X.
CPU should be sufficient. if you can(/want to) spend more i would like to suggest the Xeon E3 1231v3 (yes i know, serverCPU, but thats not a problem, just make sure that it is supported by the BIOS of your MB) which has 8 threads instead of only 4 which could be useful for upcoming games.
no SSD?

 

How about Intel Core i5-4670K, 3.40GHz and R9 280X.? I know that Xeons beat I5's on multi-threading, but with a good CPU cooler and with overclocking the i5, the preformance should be about the same? (not really tech savy on this point, so, help?)

 

And no SSD. Too expensive right now, at least where I'm from..

[Deathangel008]

How about Intel Core i5-4670K, 3.40GHz and R9 280X.? I know that Xeons beat I5's on multi-threading, but with a good CPU cooler and with overclocking the i5, the preformance should be about the same? (not really tech savy on this point, so, help?)

if i5K -> i5 4690K. for OC you also need a Z97, and you lose the warranty.
performance of overclocked i5 vs Xeon depends on the programmes/games you use; if a game only uses one thread a Pentium G3258 (2 cores/threads) @4,5GHz is faster than a i7 5960X (8 cores/16 threads) @ 3GHz.
having in mind that the current console´s CPUs have 8threads but only ~2GHz, upcoming games will more likely benefit more from 8 threads than from higher clocks, so imo the Xeon is more "futureproof".
 

And no SSD. Too expensive right now, at least where I'm from.

may i ask where you live?

and btw, which PSU do you have?

[Namea]

her current CPU is a C2Q Q6600 -> Socket 775 -> best possible upgrade would be a faster C2Q -> no real improvement.

@ Namea:
any opinion/feedback on my suggestion in post #41?

 

That sounds great! I definitely don't mind building myself and that sounds like it woldn't need upgrades for a while too!

[In Exile]

That sounds great! I definitely don't mind building myself and that sounds like it woldn't need upgrades for a while too!

If this is your first build look up a few videos. There are a few basic simple steps one should follow to avoid damaging the parts via electrostatic charges (I think that's the right term; basically you just have to stay grounded).

[ironhorse384]

My advice, for what its worth, is to research computer stores in your area and I don't mean big box vendors, but actual computer parts and sales. I go to a place called Memory Express when you walk in the door it's a computer geek's candy store. Shelves stocked with video cards, cpus, power supplies , etc etc. I've been dealing with this store for over three years and have no complaints. The beauty of a store like this is you can buy parts directly without the whole shipping thing which quite frankly is a pain. This particular store offers in store product replacement (IPR) which means on your big ticket items like cpu, gpu etc, you can pay a little extra and have the piece of mind that if the product fails in six months due to no fault of your own you can get a replacement free of charge. I had one of my video cards act up and they replaced it , in fact , they allowed me to upgrade to a better card and pay the difference. They always have sales , one time I bought a couple of gpus and they went on sale a week later , I called and they gave me the sale price because it was within 7 days of purchase. Lastly if the store personnel are knowledgeable you can go in there and tell them what your budget is and what you want to be able to do, ie play DAI and they will give you an informed opinion on what parts you get within your budget.

[Andres Hendrix]

Processor: i5-4690k

Video Card: GTX 980

Motherboard: Asus Z97-AR

This was the best rig I could build, well, I'm still waiting on the motherboard and processor to arrive in the mail.

[Deathangel008]

Video Card: GTX 980

                         GTX970    GTX980
performance:   100%       ~115%
price:                  100%       ~160% 

nuff said.

[Penumbract]

I would not rely on a forum like this for exact hardware performance advice. Always consult the bench.

This one includes e.g. a 660

 

http://www.techspot....ion-benchmarks/

 

Just compare for a bit and get the general gist in which setup the gpu and when the cpu is a bottleneck.

 

 

Video Card: GTX 980

 

 

And please no. Why do you recommend such bullshit. This card is like 20% more powerful than the 970 but costs about double. Yeah great recommendation...

[Andres Hendrix]

                         GTX970    GTX980
performance:   100%       ~115%
price:                  100%       ~160% 

nuff said.

Pfft I got my 980 on sale, and was willing to pay the money to buy it enough said.

[ironhorse384]

 

 

 

 

And please no. Why do you recommend such bullshit. This card is like 20% more powerful than the 970 but costs about double. Yeah great recommendation...

That's , I've got extra disposable income and I want the best, not I want value for my money.