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[KingAgamemnon]

o.o Sera would get Qumek if i recall that conversation and end up sweeping the floor for a Baker.

I...actually don't have a problem with this. But I also didn't like Serah, so... 

[Colonelkillabee]

I suppose a lot of my opinions on the qun come from meta standpoints. 

 

I look at the qunari and I see what is perhaps the most unique and interesting facet of a great setting Bioware has crafted and I see that as something worth preserving. I honestly feel that should the qunari be defeated, the setting will be the lesser for it. 

 

I also have a tendency to look at the stranger cultures and creatures in fantasy settings - the outsiders, the designated enemies, the 'other' - and identify more strongly with them than the "hero" races or societies. Now, when it's something like darkspawn or undead that are mindless creatures who exist only for destruction, sure, that's one thing. But when it's an intelligent society, however broken or flawed, I think the blanket assumption that they can only be dealt with through war eternal is a very harmful message to send. 

Personally, I don't. But when it's brought up I can't help but laugh, because it really does the Qunari no favors. A disservice, really.

 

The qunari are unique, and awesome. As cruel as they can be to others and their own people, I admire them for their strength and iron will. But, I'm a roleplayer first and foremost, and my character cares about his land, first and foremost. He'd rather not see his work undone due to horned ones.

[Efvie]

Alternately they could get really bold and make the inquisition the new threat. Sadly sidesteps my thought about exploring how you keep an inquisition going in the absence of an obvious threat (imo, what act 2 should have been about, with you tring to convince people that corypheus is real while your detractors claim you're just trying to grab power)

 

Ah, yes, “Corypheus”.

[Colonelkillabee]

I call him Cornflakes. Never did like his name, though yea I know how to spell it. So when Sera said what she did about mispronouncing it... LOL, it was the closest I've ever been to liking her character.

[Efvie]

Its a mercenary army without a state or purpose now.

 

That is exactly what it isn’t. The Inquisition’s core is an army of fanatics.

 

This has some very good potential for the future, but may be hard to realize. The fanaticism can so easily turn against something else, and they’re frightening…  BioWare was especially crafty in setting things up so that the Inquisitor can’t in good faith believe to be at least directly a true herald of Andraste, which means it’s feasible to even work a coup angle into things.

[Master Warder Z_]

I...actually don't have a problem with this. But I also didn't like Serah, so... 

 

Them killing Cole?

 

Them collaring Solas, Viv and Dorian?

 

o.o I mean Bull had a pretty lengthy list.

[Yermogi]

My current Inquisitor, a female Mage Qunari, plans to give up the power and authority as soon as it is safe to do so, and retire with Iron Bull into a life of mercenary work, or perhaps creating a protective conclave for peaceful Tal-Vashoth and other outcasts of various societies. Having all that power is both frightening and intimidating, because everyone expects you to fix every problem, and as a result they forget you're only a mortal being with simple, basic needs along with anyone else. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. 

 

Also, I don't see the various powers that be in Thedas letting the Inquisition remain the powerhouse that it is. A few people might stay behind as Inquisitors in some new role, ready to bring up the Inquisition of Old when needed, but the vast majority of them- the soldiers, mercenaries, etc- they'll disband and return to normal life.

 

When I think about it, I can see the Inquisitor staying as the Inquisitor- righting wrongs and saving lives- but without the massive amount of power they have behind them now. A few of their companions might stay and help, but I think the Inquisition will disband on it's own. No crisis, no need for them. It's not like the Wardens who fight an enemy that never truly disappears.

[Master Warder Z_]

That is exactly what it isn’t. The Inquisition is an army of fanatics.

 

An army of believers in the chosen of a prophet; that doesn't make them anymore needed or vital.

 

They can be mini columbia all they want without the flying city.

[The Baconer]

That would probably cause more issues then most avenues the Inquisition could take.

 

Even in game the Chantry was pissed off about that.

 

For the Lyrium? Yeah. I figure with a suitable lackey on the Sunburst Throne I can establish a deal where the Inquisition acts as a liaison within the trading process. The... unfortunate incident with the Chantry dissolved their original agreements with Orzammar, after all.

[Colonelkillabee]

An army of believers in the chosen of a prophet; that doesn't make them anymore needed or vital.

 

They can be mini columbia all they want without the flying city.

Mercenaries don't have any other motivation but money. There lies the difference.

[Master Warder Z_]

For the Lyrium? Yeah. I figure with a suitable lackey on the Sunburst Throne I can establish a deal where the Inquisition acts as a liaison within the trading process. The... unfortunate incident with the Chantry dissolved their original agreements with Orzammar, after all.

 

<.< It actually didn't considering in the Cass and Viv endings both the Chantry reforms the Magi circle and Templar Order.

 

I mean how can Templars exist without Lyrium?

 

How the Chantry can provide lyrium without contact with the dwarven kingdom?

 

So in two out of three world states you have the Chantry having confirmed ties with the dwarves.

[Former_Fiend]

Them killing Cole?

 

Them collaring Solas, Viv and Dorian?

 

o.o I mean Bull had a pretty lengthy list.

 

Would be a shame to see that happen to Dorian.

 

The rest, all positives, really.

[Master Warder Z_]

Mercenaries don't have any other motivation but money. There lies the difference.

 

Ahem that isn't true.

 

The definition of mercenary.

 

A person who takes part in an armed conflict who is not a national or a party to the conflict.

 

They can fight for belief as well as coin; if you like i can call them irregulars but mercenary would apply.

[Hornless Qunari/Human DPS]

There is always someone more powerful then the Inquisitor, he might be the highest in the food chain for now (Inquisitor) but there will always be someone meaner and badder out there.

[Colonelkillabee]

Ahem that isn't true.

 

The definition of mercenary.

 

A person who takes part in an armed conflict who is not a national or a party to the conflict.

 

They can fight for belief as well as coin; if you like i can call them irregulars but mercenary would apply.

Google is your friend:

 

mer·ce·nar·y

ˈmərsəˌnerē/

adjective

derogatory

adjective: mercenary

1. 1.

   (of a person or their behavior) primarily concerned with making money at the expense of ethics.

   "she's nothing but a mercenary little gold digger"

   synonyms: money-oriented, grasping, greedy, acquisitive, avaricious, covetous, bribable, venal, materialistic;

   informalmoney-grubbing

   "mercenary self-interest"

noun

noun: mercenary; plural noun: mercenaries

1.

a professional soldier hired to serve in a foreign army.

 

 

 

 

 

Inquisition, not mercenaries.

[The Baconer]

<.< It actually didn't considering in the Cass and Viv endings both the Chantry reforms the Magi circle and Templar Order.

 

I mean how can Templars exist without Lyrium?

 

How the Chantry can provide lyrium without contact with the dwarven kingdom?

 

So in two out of three world states you have the Chantry having confirmed ties with the dwarves.

 

I didn't mean permanently, (duh) but it's clear that for the duration of the war their previous monopoly ceased to be, and the Dwarves sought other clients. The Inquisition, which could already have its "foot in the door" so to speak, could help make the process of re-establishing ties and agreements smoother, and possibly take over policing the surface trade and transport. Only for the Chantry's benefit, of course. Vivienne as Divine would be ideal in this situation.

[o Ventus]

I personally would love the Inquisition to turn into a more multinational military force. Not belonging to any one country but acts based on the needs of allied countries.

That's what the Inquisition is, best I can tell.

[Colonelkillabee]

Also it seems you got your definition from Wikipedia. And if you're going to do that, you should show the whole definition:

 

A mercenary^[1] is a person who takes part in an armed conflict who is not a national or a party to the conflict and is "motivated to take part in the hostilities by the desire for private gain."^[2][3]

[BubbleDncr]

My current Inquisitor, a female Mage Qunari, plans to give up the power and authority as soon as it is safe to do so, and retire with Iron Bull into a life of mercenary work, or perhaps creating a protective conclave for peaceful Tal-Vashoth and other outcasts of various societies. Having all that power is both frightening and intimidating, because everyone expects you to fix every problem, and as a result they forget you're only a mortal being with simple, basic needs along with anyone else. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. 

 

Also, I don't see the various powers that be in Thedas letting the Inquisition remain the powerhouse that it is. A few people might stay behind as Inquisitors in some new role, ready to bring up the Inquisition of Old when needed, but the vast majority of them- the soldiers, mercenaries, etc- they'll disband and return to normal life.

 

When I think about it, I can see the Inquisitor staying as the Inquisitor- righting wrongs and saving lives- but without the massive amount of power they have behind them now. A few of their companions might stay and help, but I think the Inquisition will disband on it's own. No crisis, no need for them. It's not like the Wardens who fight an enemy that never truly disappears.

 

I don't know about other people's epilogue cards, but mine - as much as my Lavellan may want to just want to crawl into a cave and die as soon as possible, returning to a normal life doesn't seem to be an option for her.

 

Spoiler

She put Gaspard in charge of Orlais, but blackmailing him so Briala was actually in charge. And apparently the Orleisian nobles want to revolt, but the only thing stopping them is "Briala's friendship with the elven Inquisitor."

 

So yea...at this point, disbanding the Inquisition would result in an immediate war in Orlais. Which would be bad.

[Master Warder Z_]

Also it seems you got your definition from Wikipedia. And if you're going to do that, you should show the whole definition:

 

A mercenary^[1] is a person who takes part in an armed conflict who is not a national or a party to the conflict and is "motivated to take part in the hostilities by the desire for private gain."^[2][3]

 

Salvation isn't private gain?

 

Not to mention if you bother reading letters from the Inquisition soldiers you learn they are paid surprise surprise.

 

a lot are poor and they use that to support their families, so private gain still works.

 

Amazing o.o even when you try to be right your still wrong.

[Hazegurl]

That's what the Inquisition is, best I can tell.

True, but I want it to stay that way and made official with the creation of some form of U.N. treaty. That's what I can see my inquisitor shooting for.

 

@Master Warder, Calling the Inquisition a Merc Group is so low class. I prefer Private Military Company.

[Colonelkillabee]

Salvation isn't private gain?

 

Not to mention if you bother reading letters from the Inquisition soldiers you learn they are paid surprise surprise.

 

a lot are poor and they use that to support their families, so private gain still works.

 

Amazing o.o even when you try to be right your still wrong.

First of all, last time I checked, practically all soldiers are paid. Even rebellions need coin for their men.

 

Second, they aren't fighting for religious salvation, they're fighting to restore order in Thedas. The religious side is merely from the inquisitor, as a sign that the Maker is with them and that their goal is rightous despite what the chantry says.

 

You've clearly missinterpreted the entire point of the inquisition. I don't try to be right, I am right. A mercenary organization goes around like the chargers, giving their services for coin. And coin alone. None of this is about gaining the Maker's favor. In their minds, they already have it. Salvation, not the goal. Order is a gain for everyone. Especially when the alternative is Corypheus.

[Hornless Qunari/Human DPS]

Merc compay or person who is willing to die for gold/coin for that person/s or nation or whatever is needed to do they may have to do terrible things as they are getting paid to do that.

[crimzontearz]

I am sorry you were not given the option OP....- refrains to make a parallel to ME3's lack of clear "shepard lives" ending for those who wanted the option-

[Master Warder Z_]

First of all, last time I checked, practically all soldiers are paid.

 

Most are; That said religious institutions had a famous habit of not doing that.

 

 

Second, they aren't fighting for religious salvation, they're fighting to restore order in Thedas.

 

Several clearly say otherwise; i mean even in Iron bull's little puppet show with the Inquizzy, the soldiers explain their reasons for being there, one is there because she believes it to be a "holy calling" and the other guy is there because he has bills to pay.

 

 

You've clearly missinterpreted the entire point of the inquisition.

 

No Cassandra outlined it pretty well.

 

A Holy mission to write the wrongs of the world and all that goodness.

 

But to a much more relevant point; are you going to keep rehashing this?

 

I mean arguing over the context of a singular word is all fine and good now, but you aren't even addressing my post.