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[biomag]

Actually I am really disappointed with the inquisitor. After having a heroic Warden, a sympathic Hawke I wanted to turn the Inquisitor into an religious zelot with many foes outside of Orlais... turns out, even if I screw up diplomatic missions on purpose it doesn't matter. Neither did I get the chance to play him anything else than 'reasonable'. The result of my playthrough is a powerful inquisition and a belowed Inquisitor... it is extremely boring that the game gets streamlined into a success story... there were no tough decisions, no losses, nothing except constant success...

 

I really hope the inquisition gets crushed in the next game or at least twisted into something completely different.

[Colonelkillabee]

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I am addressing your post, actually.

 

What you don't understand is that individual soldier's reasons for fighting means nothing, the organization's goals as a whole is what matters. That is what defines them.

 

Cassandra's comment does not mean they're fighting for salvation. That simply means that their goal is divinely backed. That's it. They are not fighting for religious salvation. The goal is and always has been to restore order. "Righting wrongs" as she put it is doing exactly that. You can try and stretch this theory of yours all you want and you're free to see them as you wish, but no one's going to look at this group and see mercenaries, especially when what they do half the time isn't done as hired hands, but on their own, whether anyone likes it or not. Case in point, Empress Celene.

[crimzontearz]

Actually I am really disappointed with the inquisitor. After having a heroic Warden, a sympathic Hawke I wanted to turn the Inquisitor into an religious zelot with many foes outside of Orlais... turns out, even if I screw up diplomatic missions on purpose it doesn't matter. Neither did I get the chance to play him anything else than 'reasonable'. The result of my playthrough is a powerful inquisition and a belowed Inquisitor... it is extremely boring that the game gets streamlined into a success story... there were no tough decisions, no losses, nothing except constant success...

I really hope the inquisition gets crushed in the next game or at least twisted into something completely different.

forced loss has a history of backfiring

[Master Warder Z_]

@Master Warder, Calling the Inquisition a Merc Group is so low class. I prefer Private Military Company.

 

I construe most private armies to be mercenaries.

 

In historical contexts anyway.

[Master Warder Z_]

the organization's goals as a whole is what matters. That is what defines them.

 

Mmmm.

 

And here we come to the crux.

 

The organization can be entirely about generating power and wealth for its leader.

 

._.

 

You can literally say that.

 

"I do this **** to get paid"

 

Kudos your boss is a mercenary which makes you...?

 

Come on; as you just said, the organization's GOALS matter, not what its individual bits and pieces think right?

 

So when the boss only cares about using you as a private army to make himself rich?

[Colonelkillabee]

Mmmm.

 

And here we come to the crux.

 

The organization can be entirely about generating power and wealth for its leader.

 

._.

 

You can literally say that.

 

"I do this **** to get paid"

 

Kudos your boss is a mercenary which makes you...?

 

Come on; as you just said, the organization's GOALS matter, not what its individual bits and pieces think right?

 

So when the boss only cares about using you as a private army to make himself rich?

The inquisitor, or at least my inquisitor doesn't use them for that goal, and I don't think we ever even get the option to say that canonically. But if you do, then taking the Inquisitor out of the equation, both Leliana and Cassandra, the past left and right hands of the divine, started it. Their goal was always order from the very beginning, restoring and fixing the circles and chantry on the way.

 

So perhaps in your game, your inquisitor's motivation is just coin, but not with mine. And since we don't yet have a canon Inquisitor and I doubt we will, I think the only people left to go by are the advisors, none of which serve for gold, or because they think doing so will save their souls.

 

I'm trying to level, but outside of personal headcanon to the inquisitor themselves, I can't see them being anything close to a mercenary organization. They're much bigger than that. And even with that personal headcanon, the actions you're forced to take for story suggest that the organization's much more than that, and that the goals are clearly different than what your personal inquisitor is motivated by. In other words, no matter your intent, it's clear that the goal of the inquisition no matter what you do is always canonically to restore order in Thedas.

[Hazegurl]

I construe most private armies to be mercenaries.

 

In historical contexts anyway.

You wouldn't be wrong. Actually the U.N's mercenary convention consider PMCs to be Merc groups. However the UK and US does not and seem to use them.

[Master Warder Z_]

The inquisitor, or at least my inquisitor doesn't use them for that goal, and I don't think we ever even get the option to say that canonically

 

The option to say "I'll do it for power" and later "I do this for my own power" present themselves first at Haven and then Skyhold.

 

So yeah.

 

You can make a dude who cares about fat stacks of bills and gold over anything else.

[Master Warder Z_]

You wouldn't be wrong. Actually the U.N's mercenary convention consider PMCs to be Merc groups. However the UK and US does not and seem to use them.

 

._. The groups i'm talking about were the folk whom the word was invented to describe.

 

I don't bother with anything past say...1780.

 

Heshens were about the last cool classic merc group.

[Colonelkillabee]

The option to say "I'll do it for power" and later "I do this for my own power" present themselves first at Haven and then Skyhold.

 

So yeah.

 

You can make a dude who cares about fat stacks of bills and gold over anything else.

Ah yea, I remember now, lol. I always went with the faith angle or stopping Corypheus. Anyway, if Bioware did a better job reflecting these different outlooks stated by the inquisitor during that speech, I could see how people would interpret it differently.

 

But, they just don't. Not really sure why they even bothered to do that when your only option is to play white knight, really.

[Master Warder Z_]

Ah yea, I remember now, lol. I always went with the faith angle or stopping Corypheus. Anyway, if Bioware did a better job reflecting these different outlooks stated by the inquisitor during that speech, I could see how people would interpret it differently.

 

But, they just don't. Not really sure why they even bothered to do that when your only option is to play white knight, really.

 

Yeah they really ruined my whole lawful evil pragmatist.

 

He was ****ing neutral evil...at best!

[Colonelkillabee]

The inquisition's more like Thedas' world police, rather than a private military serving as a mercenary group.

 

Both rather dangerous.

[KingAgamemnon]

Them killing Cole?

 

Them collaring Solas, Viv and Dorian?

 

o.o I mean Bull had a pretty lengthy list.

I'm pretty sure I was just referring to Sera. I'm also pretty sure I was joking. But I realize that tone and inflection don't translate well via the written word. I understand your confusion.

[Hazegurl]

I love the power option. But it doesn't automatically mean money. When my mage Inquisitor choose power, he meant he would become so powerful that he would change the course of the world. Money wasn't on his mind, he was a noble anyway.

[Br3admax]

As soon as they stop being the player character, they can be as powerful as they want to be.

[Master Warder Z_]

The inquisition's more like Thedas' world police, rather than a private military serving as a mercenary group.

 

Both rather dangerous.

 

Pfft world police? No.

 

It doesn't even have the power to commit to two theaters.

 

It can't probably can't even compare to Fereldan in the troops it can field; Fereldan!

 

Its power comes from...well to be honest apart from the whole faith dealie i don't know to be honest, sure they are have connections, their wealthy but nowhere near extremely so.

 

Their military capabilities are...alright supposedly.

 

But overall?

 

It seems like mercenary army with an overinflated figurhead to be honest.

[shurryy]

There is simply no way I can look at the Inquisition as a Mercenary force, they are way too organized to achieve a specific goal for that. 

[Colonelkillabee]

Pfft world police? No.

 

It doesn't even have the power to commit to two theaters.

 

It can't probably can't even compare to Fereldan in the troops it can field; Fereldan!

 

Its power comes from...well to be honest apart from the whole faith dealie i don't know to be honest, sure they are have connections, their wealthy but nowhere near extremely so.

 

Their military capabilities are...alright supposedly.

 

But overall?

 

It seems like mercenary army with an overinflated figurhead to be honest.

I got the impression that they were powerful enough to challenge at least Ferelden. But it never outwardly states the capability of our forces, so one can't really say. It just mentions we're like a small kingdom.

 

That said, there's also the many allies at our desposal that are all basically arms of the inquisition. That influence both with knowledge and support is what makes them so powerful. They alone may not be very powerful, but they're far from alone. And those allies bow to your will, which is what makes them like world police to me.

 

Policing is basically all we do throughout the entire game from beginning to end, more or less.

[biomag]

forced loss has a history of backfiring

 

Yes, but I was talking about taking the wrong decision on purpose and it made no difference (like pissing of Tevinter as well as the Qunari, messing up diplomatic assignments with dwarfs, ignoring elves and sending to small force against the darkspawn that gets crushed. Result? Inquisitior is the hero with no serious oposition and people asking him for advice.

 

Auto-win-stories have a history of failing when it comes to entertainment, too.

[Hazegurl]

Based on what you choose in game I find it very difficult to believe that the Inquisition can just dissolve and everyone would go home.

 

You can make the Templars the core of your army

Viv can be Divine but she isn't staying there long without the Inquisition's help. Creating her own Templars isn't enough.

Saving Celene with Gaspard hanging around somewhere ensures that she becomes nothing but the Inquisition's puppet. I do love picking Gaspard though, but I'll be the first to admit that he can eventually be future trouble.

 

When it's all over you can have the Templars, Orlais, several nobles, and the Divine at your heel. Not to mention the riches you get from noble supporters who need you to ensure their own power stays intact. It's a dangerous game and not easy to play. But an Inquisitor who plays their cards right can in fact remain in serious power even without the faithful devotee angle. As it stands, the soldiers do get paid and the Inquisition provides jobs. Not everyone is going to make it into the Temps and Seekers. Even if they no longer thought the Inquisitor was touched by Andraste, who in their right minds in Thedas would leave a paid position?

[Master Warder Z_]

Heh disbanding the Templar Order makes them your soldiers? I find that position superficial at best considering that in the ending context; the very order that you can disband can be refounded.

 

Why would they stay? 

 

Its about like recruiting the Grey Wardens; they have pre existing Mandates that supercede any allegiance to the Inquisition.

 

And then you have a host that at it's peak couldn't be in two places at the same time without losing all combat effectiveness.

 

It has wealth and influence but not power; it cannot enforce policy on anything.

[rpgfan321]

I thought the ending (or one of) would lead to the Inquisitor's death. Like I really wanted my Inquisitor to die (despite loving the character so much XD) 

 

Seriously, how can anyone allow this one person to have this much power for a really long time? 

 

History have shown, those with great power will eventually fall, by their own folly or by others. I can imagine their position would become envious or seen as superfluous given time, what with Corypheus gone and order restored. When the danger dies down, the Inquisitor will be seen as a relic. Either she/he will need to willingly step down or change the Inquisition into something more relevant/functional within the period, I suspect. 

 

I'm curious how BW will deal with the aftermath of Inquisition because the organization has become quite fascinating. 

[shurryy]

Why always death? What is that for an obsession with killing the heroes? No...my Quizzy simply retired, started to study a bit of magic, doing stuff and things, married Cullen and raised some future heroes of Thedas while some other new hero in the meantime saved the world from another maniac in DA4.

If I am not dead, I'll be able to come back and fix things... Although I probably still won't because Bioware will pull a Warden on us and tell the new protagonist:

 

"Oh the inquisitor? He's off on a spiritual journey of the self/slaving for Mythal, as you can most certainly understand he is kind of busy so he can't come back and save the world right now. Shall I leave a message for him once he's back?" 

 

... SO I guess it's not really a problem. 

[Colonelkillabee]

Heh disbanding the Templar Order makes them your soldiers? I find that position superficial at best considering that in the ending context; the very order that you can disband can be refounded.

 

Why would they stay? 

 

Its about like recruiting the Grey Wardens; they have pre existing Mandates that supercede any allegiance to the Inquisition.

 

And then you have a host that at it's peak couldn't be in two places at the same time without losing all combat effectiveness.

 

It has wealth and influence but not power; it cannot enforce policy on anything.

Here's a point I agree with. It's because the Inquisition was never a group meant to last, but one meant to serve as a state of emergency. So they're "yours", for now but pledging yourself to the inquisition's not really a binding thing when everyone knows it can't really last. Not unless something else bad happens, like a Qunari invasion, or Tevinter invasion. Or both. World War style with everyone fighting everyone.

[shurryy]

Heh disbanding the Templar Order makes them your soldiers? I find that position superficial at best considering that in the ending context; the very order that you can disband can be refounded.

 

Why would they stay? 

 

Its about like recruiting the Grey Wardens; they have pre existing Mandates that supercede any allegiance to the Inquisition.

 

And then you have a host that at it's peak couldn't be in two places at the same time without losing all combat effectiveness.

 

It has wealth and influence but not power; it cannot enforce policy on anything.

I think there's a good chance the Templars you recruit stay in the inquisition after the entire ordeal.

Why? Cullen. He used to be a Templar, and sympathizes with their lifestyle. 

He is a figure-head for the Templars, he proved himself a competent leader in during sieges and forest combat and many will probably follow his example purely out of respect alone. He also quit lyrium depending on player choice, and that is something I imagine a lot of Templars having regret ever starting with, becoming slaves of lyrium.