Wasn't a hard choice for my Brosca, haha. Harrowmont can suck an egg.
I thought it was pretty hard—even artificially so. Basically Harrowmont is a decent guy on a personal level and a monster as a ruler, whereas Bhelen is a complete, unrepenting %#$@ but a decent ruler. Makes for an interesting balance but is slightly belief-stretching.
Bhelen's still a crap king. He's just a better crap king then Harrowmont, who's a **** king (the **** that **** shits, in fact). Bhelen is at least making some progress.
This is a dude (Bhelen) who can't even live up to Eithnar Bemot's rule of how the army answers to the king in times of war (which they're always in). House Klaret's men wouldn't fight against the Blight because the nobility fell into the same line of thought that plagued the Paragon Aeducan. Then House Helmi apparently still has their men, due to the Kal-Hirol expedition.
Ten years later and Bhelen still has to deal with the Assembly.
But at least Bhelen has enough sense in that unsubtle brain of his to know he needs food for his people. Harrowmont should be dead.
I thought it was pretty hard—even artificially so. Basically Harrowmont is a decent guy on a personal level and a monster as a ruler, whereas Bhelen is a complete, unrepenting %#$@ but a decent ruler. Makes for an interesting balance but is slightly belief-stretching.
Not so much. Harrowmont isn't a terrible ruler out of malice, but incompetence and inflexibility. He also has no real plan for what happens after he becomes king beyond "stay the course", because he never planned on becoming king until the Bhelen issue cropped up.
Bhelen's ruthless as they come, but he's a visionary. And he is determined to make that vision a reality regardless of what measures he has to take. And unlike Harrowmont, Bhelen had a plan in place from the start.
Now, if that plan could start kicking in sometime soon, that would be great.
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I forogot where I read it, around here somewhere I think. It was accompanied by a codex entry or some such about someone interviewing a Kal'Sharok native, and the last line was how they've seen darkspawn and gray wardens, and can't quite put their finger on what in the eyes of the Kal'Sharok dwarf reminded them of both.
As I recall, they're more cutoff from help than Orzamaar, so the theory, again, as I recall, was that they eat darkspawn for survival.
That doesn't work. If they ate darkspawn they'd all be like Ruck. They aren't like Ruck. I know the codex you're talking about. And it references the Grey Wardens not the darkspawn, which is why I said that they use a version of the Joining.
That doesn't work. If they ate darkspawn they'd all be like Ruck. They aren't like Ruck. I know the codex you're talking about. And it references the Grey Wardens not the darkspawn, which is why I said that they use a version of the Joining.
I can't remember the thread it was on, but it was an old one. That they were eating them and why was bantered about, as I recall. It had to do with the isolation Kal'Sharok has, whatever it was.
I've always wondered, myself, who the first grey wardens were.
Soldier: *looks at dead hurlock* I shall drink its blood, which will grant me superpowers, such as being able to sense them and defeat their leader once and for all!
Other Soldier:... 
I thought it was pretty hard—even artificially so. Basically Harrowmont is a decent guy on a personal level and a monster as a ruler, whereas Bhelen is a complete, unrepenting %#$@ but a decent ruler. Makes for an interesting balance but is slightly belief-stretching.
Orzammar is a cesspool, the only that it "needs" is to A. Be sealed off so it can starve or B. Be overrun by Darkspawn, (who actually now that I think about it, are probably better at running a city than the Dwarves).
Also, I usually choose Harrowmont, I know he's the crappy option who actually makes things much worse as a whole, but Bhelen makes my skin crawl. Plus what he does to the House Harrowmont if he's elected is monstrous.
That nutcase Branka is a Paragon and the genius Dagna is casteless? WTF is wrong with you guys?
Bhelen doesn't have riots, he is actively working to combat the shortage unlike Harrowmont who is too busy lining his pockets.
Bhelen is also working with the merchants guild to liaison with Kal Sharok and if you let Branka live, he shuts her down because she does awful experiments on the Casteless.
Brosca, the castless paragon and mistress of the human king of Fereldan...the scandal!
Well I do recall a war table mission where Behlen requests an alliance with the inquisition. Plus that whole nonsense of not hearing the stone when you go to the surface is pure bull considering you get a scene with Dagna where she may have actually heard the stone so to speak.
Pretty sure "hearing the Stone" is some kind of effect of lyrium, so it would make sense that Dagna can hear it, given her job. The dwarves don't really fully understand the Stone or stone sense though, and it makes sense that they also wouldn't fully realize what happens when they go to the surface.
The Scuttlebutt/spoiler board has a thread on Kal'sharok, opening with the codex I mentioned. Apparently it's Origins-era.
Next Dragon Age title involves the protagonist to figure out why Darkspawn is pouring out of Orzammars' gates.
They all died of starvation, their society fell apart, and since their Legion of the Dead is somewhat the only thing stopping a horde of Darkspawn from sufacing in that area, the 6th blight begins. . . Everything after they've found a new Old God to corrupt ofcourse.
I've always wondered, myself, who the first grey wardens were.
Pfft, Orzammar has its **** together. King Bhelen will see to it.
I honestly figured Bhelen would've been move involved in DA:I after all the years hes had to reform the kingdom after reading the epilogue where I think he dissolved the shaperate cause it was a hard choice choosing him when my Origin was a good guy prince that he betrays, also this stone-sense is indeed lyrium as Orzammar is said to be on the biggest pocket of it in the known world and mined it for generations and as I just recently read lyrium is ALIVE(yea freaked me out too).
We should see and hear what happens with Orzammar and Kal-Shirok in the Tevinter fighting the Qun DA4 game anyway due to there extremely close relations hell we might need to do missions to clear the deep roads more to get more lyrium to blow qunari apart.
I forgot to mention that if Orzammar and Kal-Shirok have more meetings on a political level it can work much better for Orzammar I remember reading that Kal-Shirok doesn't truly rely on a caste system which is one of the main reasons they've survived this long if Bhelen saw how all this worked he could use them as a forced reform for the dwarves, granted after a internal civil war between survivalists and traditionalists.
maybe that could happen!
We should see and hear what happens with Orzammar and Kal-Shirok in the Tevinter fighting the Qun DA4 game anyway due to there extremely close relations hell we might need to do missions to clear the deep roads more to get more lyrium to blow qunari apart.
Agreed.
Even if we do not see Kal-sharok or Orzammar though I hope we do, they should have a strong presence due to the nature of tevinter's dwarves.
I think Bhelen's progress in the game is pretty natural. Change doesn't happen fast, especially with people as tied to traditions as the dwarves. He's clearly dealing with a crises in a good way, and showing he's not up for Casteless being mistreated.
The caste system can't be gone overnight, because right now it's an important part of Orzammar's economy since they make up the Carta. I mean, it's HORRIBLE, but we also don't know how much he's reformed it either given those brief snippets.
so basically he doesn't have the plot power/author favortisim that lelianna would have to just snap her fingers to get rid of all the tension between mages, templars, and mundans. Not to mention the tensions between humans and elves as well. Because it seems like lelliana just has to go "peace!" and everyone just magically disolves all there tensions that they had for centuries if not more.
Because Behlen sounds like he is doing this realistically, it is also making the analogy that he is the dwarven Augustus much more apt IMO.
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Are you implying that bae is a sue?
She should be.
so basically he doesn't have the plot power/author favortisim that lelianna would have to just snap her fingers to get rid of all the tension between mages, templars, and mundans. Not to mention the tensions between humans and elves as well. Because it seems like lelliana just has to go "peace!" and everyone just magically disolves all there tensions that they had for centuries if not more.
That's not what I thought Leliana did. She's ruthless, and those who opposed her probably just stop showing up to work one day.
I do feel like they're building up the darkspawn for a future game. They'll probably make 4 or 5 more darkspawn-centric, bring back the intelligent, talking darkspawn (seriously, what a weird thing to ignore), and therefore give us a reason to go tour dwarven cities and play in dwarven ruins.
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