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[Artichoke]

Ok, so correct me if I'm wrong about any of this but this is what I understand about spirits and demons having played all three Dragon Age games.

A spirit and a demon are essentially the same species, what distinguishes them are the emotions they represent as well as their motive.  While a spirit is defined by positive emotions, a demon represents bad or potentially destructive emotions.  Also, spirits are not generally interested in seeing the world through mortal eyes whereas demons actively seek to possess people.

So with that said, these are all the known spirits and demons so far (let me know if I'm missing any).

Spirits (good)

-Spirit of Valor (seen in the Mage Origin story)

-Spirit of Wisdom (mentioned by Solas)

-Spirit of Compassion (Cole)

-Spirit of Justice (Justice from Awakening)

Demons (evil)

-Rage Demon

-Hunger Demon (mysteriously absent from Inquisition)

-Sloth demon, now known as Despair Demon

-Desire Demon (There is a statue of one in the Forbidden Oasis but they aren't in Inquisition)

-Pride Demon

-Envy Demon

-Fear Demon (The most powerful demon I think)

So what does that make Vengeance?  I'm going to say Vengeance is actually a demon because Solas mentioned that a spirit is an idea whcih is perverted.  Vengeance can be seen as a perversion of justice so that makes Anders an abomination, right?

[PickledGear]

I would think that Vengeance would be a derivation of just Rage. So a Justice Spirit would become a Rage Demon. He was already prone to anger even as a Spirit when facing the Baroness. Its easy to see that Justice could be perverted into Rage, especially by Anders.

[Artichoke]

So Vengeance is a Rage demon?

[raging_monkey]

So Vengeance is a Rage demon?

technically he's a spirit of vengence but yes

[Feybrad]

Demons and Spirits obviously have all sorts of underclasses.

 

Sloth and Despair are related, that Stuff.

 

Vengeance, however, is definitely a Demon. Maybe a "Vengeance" Demon.

[PickledGear]

Possibly, I dont like the simple cut and dry demons of just 1 thing. A Vengeance Demon could be another form of Rage just its own specific nature of Rage. Just like Allure being a form of Desire. Or Hybris being a form of Pride.

[Former_Fiend]

I was hoping the OP would leave it to the title so I could simply answer "Yes." But I see that we're beyond that now.

 

It's an established part of the setting that the classification of demons and spirits is an oversimplified artificial construct imposed on them by mortal researchers. The reality of their nature is not so simple or easy to define as the Circles or Chantry would like to believe.

[Teshayel]

I would think that Vengeance would be a derivation of just Rage. So a Justice Spirit would become a Rage Demon. He was already prone to anger even as a Spirit when facing the Baroness. Its easy to see that Justice could be perverted into Rage, especially by Anders.

 

His rage in Awakening could be interpreted as righteous, so it might still work for a spirit. 

 

As far as the delineation between spirits and demons is concerned, the line seems to be a bit blurry. You get to see this if you play through Solas' personal quest.

Spoiler

Demons are defined as wanting to actively possess mortals, wanting to experience the mortal world for themselves. However, when you arrive at the summoning scene for Solas' personal quest, the Pride demon awaiting you was not a demon to begin with. It was what the mages that have summoned the spirit commanded it to do that twisted it into a demon. The idea is that spirits are what a mortal expects them to be, and are shaped by a mortal's imagination. Furthermore, they could go from one form to the other - from spirit to demon and to spirit again, though at great cost.

 

In case of Anders and Justice, they shaped each other: Anders' long-suppressed pain and anger tainted the spirit, and in turn the spirit drove the man mad. Mind you, this is my take on things

[Sah291]

Yes Solas said demons are just spirits twisted from their purpose, so it sounds like there's not much difference initially. He also says it matters how you treat them, if you expect to see a demon, or if you force a spirit to do something against it's nature, it would turn into an abomination.

I think Anders was probably abomination, but from what we learn in DAI it's not so black and white. I recall he refers to the spirit in the end as "Vengeance" only on the rival path, and seems to call it "Justice" more often on friendship, so clearly treating him differently had some kind of effect.

[Sifr]

Yes Solas said demons are just spirits twisted from their purpose, so it sounds like there's not much difference initially. He also says it matters how you treat them, if you expect to see a demon, or if you force a spirit to do something against it's nature, it would turn into an abomination.

I think Anders was probably abomination, but from what we learn in DAI it's not so black and white. I recall he refers to the spirit in the end as "Vengeance" only on the rival path, and seems to call it "Justice" more often on friendship, so clearly treating him differently had some kind of effect.

 

This is my take on it as well.

 

Anders' own black and white view of spirits is partially responsible for the corruption of Justice, since the spirit inside him is reflecting on how Anders percieves him and his nature. Anders thinks of himself as a monster and Justice as becoming a demon, so that's what Justice ends up turning into.

[Akrim_Drak]

While it doesn't really relate to Anders you forgot to mention the spirit that is arguably most active in mingling with people outside the fade. Spirits of Faith. Templars, Seekers, any healer mage. All derived from Faith.

Gotta wonder why Faith spirits are so active as oppposed to all the live and let live attitudes of the others.

[Former_Fiend]

You also don't kneed a spirit of faith to practice healing magic, at least not in previous installments where the heal spell was lumped into the "creation" school. Spirit healers  were better at healing, but it's hardly required.

 

Spirit healers also don't necessarily need to be directly possessed, and don't deal solely with spirits of faith; they also deal with spirits of fortitude, compassion, and hope.

[Deanna]

I thought this has been discussed already. Basically they way I see it Justice only becomes a demon if you get Anders's rivalry. He still blows up the chantry either way but still, his dialogue at the end is very different depending on if you have his friendship or rivalry.

[crimzontearz]

People need to start thinking about them in World of darkness terms and stop differentiating

[raging_monkey]

People need to start thinking about them in World of darkness terms and stop differentiating

what?

[crimzontearz]

what?

ever played World of Darkness games?

[raging_monkey]

ever played World of Darkness games?

nah was seeking clarificatio.

[errantknight]

A demon is a corrupted spirit. When Anders shared his body with justice, his rage corrupted the former spirit. At that point, he was basically posessed, although with more control than most. Maybe. One could infer that it was the demon who made him blow up the chantry, I think it's just as likely that Anders did that all on his lonesome

[Teshayel]

A demon is a corrupted spirit. When Anders shared his body with justice, his rage corrupted the former spirit. At that point, he was basically posessed, although with more control than most. Maybe. One could infer that it was the demon who made him blow up the chantry, I think it's just as likely that Anders did that all on his lonesome

 

"All I want is a pretty girl on my lap, and the right to shoot lightning at fools." That just doesn't seem the type of personality to do the terrible-awful of DA2 by himself. He corrupted Justice, and Justice corrupted him in turn.

 

I missed DA: Awakening Anders all through DA2...  

[Chernaya]

I personally can't see pre-Justice Anders doing what he did in DA2 by himself at all, he had little motivation and was a bit selfish in the matter. Just wanted his own freedom and didn't think much about others until after some conversations with Justice. Sadly I think humans + spirits just can't mix, any amount of human emotion is probably enough to corrupt a spirit and make it end up like vengeance. 

[Steelcan]

I think that's ambiguous too. Look at Flemeth and Mythal. To a lesser extent Wynne and Faith. They seem pretty in control to me. Deep down Anders was volatile and the idea of Justice can be be volatile and what you got was that monster in DA2.

DA:A Anders thought completely leaving the Circles was a bad idea

[Former_Fiend]

Was also a point about how Anders' personal quest in awakening involved fighting off a templar trying to take him back; prior to that, Anders' ran from templars and surrendered when caught. The Warden/Commander essentially taught him to fight.