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[eyezonlyii]

Not necessarily. Lyrium is found everywhere underground, and the dwarven thaigs don't span the entirety of the planet's crust. As far as the primeval thaig goes, it could be as simple as some darkspawn showing up and infecting normal lyrium that would have been there. There's nothing at all to prove or even imply that the primeval thaig is the only place IN THE ENTIRETY OF THE PLANET'S CRUST to have red lyrium. If it was a magister, why would their mere presence infect nearby lyrium? That would be like catching the flu from somebody just by virtue of being in the same building as them, even if you're several rooms away and they've never been near you. The red templars in Emprise du Lion were mining red lyrium. I doubt that they would have asked Corypheus to come to an open mine shaft, walk in, and then just leave so they can get to mining.

I'm pretty sure they were growing it, then mining it as a dying red templar tells you if you defeat imshael and take the keep. He says the demon was referring to it as his "garden" or something like that.

[o Ventus]

Mother of God, how many times must we go over this? The presence of darkspawn cannot infect blue lyrium and turn it red. Seriously, I think I'm just going to make a hotkey.

As proven by who or what? And don't even use DAO or DA2 as exmaples, because red lyrium wasn't a thing in DAO, and its origin was never written in DA2.

[Steelcan]

As proven by who or what? And don't even use DAO or DA2 as exmaples, because red lyrium wasn't a thing in DAO, and its origin was never written in DA2.

because all of the Deep Roads would be flooded with the stuff, and no dwarven mining house has even heard of the stuff

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Here are my thoughts on this.

 

http://forum.bioware...eory-on-things/

[Aulis Vaara]

There's one very big problem with that idea: the red lyrium is isolated to that one thaig. It isn't like it's in the plains or a forest. It's miles underground. There's only one exit. If the magister(s) infected the lyrium in that thaig, they'd have infected more of it on their way to and from it.

This is true, but where were the Magisters cast out of the Fade? Or where did they leave it? If that was in the Primeval Thaig, that might explain it handily. On the other hand, maybe they exited out of the Fade in the Primeval Thaig because it was already connected to the Black City because they both held the Taint, but that would not explain the temple of Sacred Ashes having Red Lyrium.

Both are interesting avenues.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

because all of the Deep Roads would be flooded with the stuff, and no dwarven mining house has even heard of the stuff

 

Lyrium is a living mineral. I think that because lyrium is alive, we should treat it in the same way we treat the sentient races in Thedas like the big 4 we have.

 

Humans, dwarves, elves and qunaris do not get the Blight simply by being near it. They must be attacked by it or really become exposed by the Blight. You have to essentially, be touched by the Blight. It has to infect you.

 

Maric has been around the Deep Roads and he did not get the Blight. Many Ferelden soldiers and Legion of the Dead dwarves have fought Darkspawn and not get the Blight. 

 

My point is, proximity does not guarantee Blight infection and subsequent Blight morphing. The Blight has to enter you, enter your bloodstream, in a living creature, to infect it.

 

The same thing applies to Lyrium, I think. Just existing and living around Darkspawn does not mean it gets affected by the Blight. You have to purposefully infect it with the Blight. As for why no one has ever seen the happening, raw Lyrium is lethal. 

 

I also think that Lyrium, being sentient and can sing and stuff, would possess sufficient intelligence to avoid infecting itself with the Blight. I believe in one of my previous post I said that the Blight is a biochemical weapon and Red Lyrium is a means of delivery.

 

I have also never seen the Darkspawn attacking Lyrium. They just do not care about it. 

 

This would explain why there were no Red Lyrium in the Deep Roads in Dragon Age Origins. Lyrium is not stupid to get itself infected with the Blight. Darkspawn do not attack Lyrium. 

[Heimdall]

I'm not so sure. Remember that the dwarves believe the darkspawn first came from the Deep Roads and that they predate the magisters' sins.

See, I've read that codex, and all it really says is that the dwarves first encountered the darkspawn underground. They doubt the stories about the Magisters tainting the heavens because of that. It doesn't indicate that darkspawn predate that event, or even that dwarves think that, just that the dwarves doubt the story of their origin.

[Steelcan]

Lyrium is probably magically alive, not organically, seeing as it has no organs, tissues, and such.

[o Ventus]

Lyrium is probably magically alive, not organically, seeing as it has no organs, tissues, and such.

Neither do bacteria, and (I would hope) you don't dispute that bacteria are "alive".

[Steelcan]

Neither do bacteria, and (I would hope) you don't dispute that bacteria are "alive".

ok Lyrium also doesn't display other criteria for life such as producing waste, also, bacteria colonies that large forming a crystalline structure?

[Aulis Vaara]

Lyrium is a living mineral. I think that because lyrium is alive, we should treat it in the same way we treat the sentient races in Thedas like the big 4 we have.
 
Humans, dwarves, elves and qunaris do not get the Blight simply by being near it. They must be attacked by it or really become exposed by the Blight. You have to essentially, be touched by the Blight. It has to infect you.
 
Maric has been around the Deep Roads and he did not get the Blight. Many Ferelden soldiers and Legion of the Dead dwarves have fought Darkspawn and not get the Blight. 
 
My point is, proximity does not guarantee Blight infection and subsequent Blight morphing. The Blight has to enter you, enter your bloodstream, in a living creature, to infect it.
 
The same thing applies to Lyrium, I think. Just existing and living around Darkspawn does not mean it gets affected by the Blight. You have to purposefully infect it with the Blight. As for why no one has ever seen the happening, raw Lyrium is lethal. 
 
I also think that Lyrium, being sentient and can sing and stuff, would possess sufficient intelligence to avoid infecting itself with the Blight. I believe in one of my previous post I said that the Blight is a biochemical weapon and Red Lyrium is a means of delivery.
 
I have also never seen the Darkspawn attacking Lyrium. They just do not care about it. 
 
This would explain why there were no Red Lyrium in the Deep Roads in Dragon Age Origins. Lyrium is not stupid to get itself infected with the Blight. Darkspawn do not attack Lyrium.

And yet they infected this one remote thaig that has no evidence of darkspawn ever having been there and has spirits inhabiting golem-like contructs that seem hostile to anything that enters the thaig?

These constructs would also explain why the Red Lyrium never spread from the Thaig, as they were feeding off the stuff (and in doing so attracted a hunger demon).

[angelofsol]

My current theory is that the blight (and thereby red lyrium) has something, something to do with the Elvhen gods war and/or being locked up.  I think the Old Gods are either the named of the Elvhen Pantheon (minus Mythal and Fen'Harel... the number adds up) or the Forgotten Ones.  I think the first Darkspawn are the twisted Elvhen slaves of whichever side of Elvhen gods got locked underground.

My theories on where they're going with this are constantly evolving as I listen to other's conjecture.  We just have hints and potentially wildly inaccurate information and can't really draw any honest conclusions with any degree of certainty.  I'm still trying to fill in some holes with what I'm thinking really happened.

[o Ventus]

ok Lyrium also doesn't display other criteria for life such as producing waste, also, bacteria colonies that large forming a crystalline structure?

Now if only this post actually contributed to the topic at hand instead of shifting the goalposts entirely.

[Steelcan]

Now if only this post actually contributed to the topic at hand instead of shifting the goalposts entirely.

I'm contesting the idea that lyrium is organically alive....

[Rifneno]

Now if only this post actually contributed to the topic at hand instead of shifting the goalposts entirely.

As opposed to questioning things so obvious that even Merrill could get them?

[Ashagar]

And yet they infected this one remote thaig that has no evidence of darkspawn ever having been there and has spirits inhabiting golem-like contructs that seem hostile to anything that enters the thaig?

These constructs would also explain why the Red Lyrium never spread from the Thaig, as they were feeding off the stuff (and in doing so attracted a hunger demon).

 

I assume you mean the rock wraiths also known as the profane which were dwarven boogeymen before you ran into them in DA2. They used to be dwarves who were so profane the stone utterly rejected them forcing them into a half life some becoming rock wraiths by feeding on lyrium while others become forgotten spirits like those who attacked you in origins in Cardan't thaig.  

[myahele]

I noticed in elven ruins there are figures with upside down crescent moon on their backs in their murals and that in DAO many darkspawn will put upsidedown  crescent moons on statues and some would even worship it.

[Aren]

The primeval thaig predates Tevinter, which means the red lyrium within predates the magisters' ritual. That means the Blight is older than humans on Thedas by a long ways.

yes because is related to the king-god  Elgar nan, a weapon to destroy the other deity for some reason he hate them.

[IhateEA-Mask]

BTW, on origin of darkspawn themselves, didn't Corypheus text say "man and women who" when referring to magisters?

I mean, just saying, if at least one of seven magisters who got turned into darkspawn was a woman, isn't there a possibility they turned into darkspawn(instead of regular ghoul) version of broodmother?

[Heimdall]

BTW, on origin of darkspawn themselves, didn't Corypheus text say "man and women who" when referring to magisters?
I mean, just saying, if at least one of seven magisters who got turned into darkspawn was a woman, isn't there a possibility they turned into darkspawn(instead of regular ghoul) version of broodmother?

Good catch.

That's what I've been saying. I think she's the source of the new retconed emissaries.

[Clockwork_Wings]

BTW, on origin of darkspawn themselves, didn't Corypheus text say "man and women who" when referring to magisters?

I mean, just saying, if at least one of seven magisters who got turned into darkspawn was a woman, isn't there a possibility they turned into darkspawn(instead of regular ghoul) version of broodmother?

I've been thinking that for awhile now.  It's my theory on where the Architect came from.

[Heimdall]

I've been thinking that for awhile now.  It's my theory on where the Architect came from.

That wouldn't really explain all the gold finery fused to his flesh.

[Vortex13]

What if regular old Darkspawn always existed and the Magisters are just intelligent Darkspawn hybrids that directed the horde to seek out the sleeping old gods once their little "occupy heaven" movement failed?

[Heimdall]

What if regular old Darkspawn always existed and the Magisters are just intelligent Darkspawn hybrids that directed the horde to seek out the sleeping old gods once their little "occupy heaven" movement failed?

From the codex with a story about a dwarf meeting a talking Darkspawn, it seems that they were losing their memory. The story says they were blaming each other but didn't seem to remember what for. Then one of them killed and ate another. The third ran off (Architect?).

Somehow I don't they're masterminding anything.

[Vortex13]

From the codex with a story about a dwarf meeting a talking Darkspawn, it seems that they were losing their memory. The story says they were blaming each other but didn't seem to remember what for. Then one of them killed and ate another. The third ran off (Architect?).

Somehow I don't they're masterminding anything.

 

 

They wouldn't have to possess all of their faculties to direct the horde though. Its shown that Coryepheus is capable of controlling tainted creatures, who's to say that after the assault on the Black City failed that the Magisters came back to Thedas with a singleminded drive to locate the old gods?