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[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I miss the brothel.

 

My slutty Inquisitor has needs. 

 

[robertthebard]

Yeah right, because the Qun was always about the right of the individual to self-determinate.
 
But that's beside the point. As I wrote before, they most likely like males better for soldiering for purely biological reasons.
What Krem thinks about his gender is largely irrelevant to this issue.
 
Here is a quote from wiki for you regarding Male & Female biological differences:
 
Quote "Indirect sex differences are general differences as quantified by empirical data and statistical analysis. Most differing characteristics will conform to a bell-curve (i.e., normal) distribution which can be broadly described by the mean (peak distribution) and standard deviation (indicator of size of range)..."
"...For example, most males are taller and stronger than females..."
End quote
 
Of course, the Qun might also have some prejudices against females performing certain roles for whatever reason, just like they might have similar attitude and ideas toward males in certain roles.

Well, I can tell you that that entry wasn't written in regard to hand to hand combat, or any other kind of combat. I've seen plenty of "tiny" women that kicked Goliath's ass.

However, I'd really like to peruse all this information you seem to have on what the Qun says. Care to share some links, codex entries, text dialog with a writer concerning it? Something besides Sten/IB/Arishok said? That'd be lovely, thanks.

[Sully13]

You cant use that thats our word.

to you its sexualy promiscus person who would fu*k anything whith a pulse.

[King Dragonlord]

There is a huge argument in gaming right now about self-censorship for fear of offending people.  A lot of fans believe that BioWare is censoring themselves in a lot of ways (desire demons, brothels, the Qun, etc.) and a lot of fans believe this is just coincidental.  I'm sure a lot of fans also believe they are censoring themselves, but agree with it.

 

With this type of issue, there isn't a "straw that broke the camels back," but instead, a notion of "I can see things starting to pile on top of that camel, and I'm afraid soon its back will break.  Maybe I should speak up now before that happens."

 

You know we did recruit an agent early on because she was able to get in a mage's pants. Maybe Lelianna is using that. It would make sense given her background. 

[King Dragonlord]

The problem in games, is not that such female characters exist,  the problem is the prevalence,when in  too many games( probably most games?), it is the norm, and it is only , or almost only, such characters, either eye candy  for male protagonist or player,  offering sex as a reward to achieve  for male protagonist, helpless damsel in distress to rescue or helpless victim to be avenged. It is like, if most movies would be like James Bond movies from the 60ies, if that was the standard.

 

As I said, I don't think Bioware recent  franchases suffer from this problem, but most other games? Like first Witcher game for example, its different.

 

Not to jump on you but reading this I just had this thought.

 

Is there really anybody in any gaming community at this point, after the last 18 or so months, that hadn't heard this argument? Especially here. 

 

Someone needs to start a wiki of the points that have been thoroughly covered in this debate, so we can all link to it, say, "read this first noob" and then pick up further in. At some point it would become circular (as these threads always eventually do) and we'll not have anything new to add. 

[King Dragonlord]

Skyhold needed a brothel.

 

My troops can't start having relationships with each other!

 

They need a good ol' brothel to finish a day of sitting around being bored.

 

Iron Bull would agree with you. 

[Sully13]

Iron Bull would agree with you. 

agreed  

readeng those posts you answered.

you did better than i could all i could think of was.

Bollocks.

[hellbiter88]

i wonder if the dragons ate all the prostitutes. or maybe they turned into red lyrium prostitutes.

 

 

.....now that would be.. sharp.

[Sully13]

Well my Qunari is horny. baa daa dumptss. 

[King Dragonlord]

That's certainly worrying but then this study claims the data is not entirely conclusive and needs to be subjected to more scrutiny in it's own conclusion. 

 

 

As for the other problems you listed I imagine a well regulated legalized system could solve or at least help for many. There will be up sides and down sides whatever we do. No matter how much it might upset you to admit it, prostitution is a tricky issue with no easy answer. 

And they qualified the study for good reason. It could easily be the case that sex trafficking gets reported more in those countries because the sex workers are freer to come forward (since they aren't inherently doing anything illegal just by working in that business). They are very right to qualify their findings.

 

Community:  The lack of brothels ruins my immersion in a dark ages, wild west, male, patriarchy, chauvinistic sorta way. 

 

Bioware:  We're not trying to upset people,  we're trying to make people critically think and brothels does not fit in that criteria at this time.

 

Community:  But, but, if it doesn't have super dark subject matter its just not REAL.

 

Bioware:  We give you deaths of prominent characters,  sexual intrigue in romances,  politics, a tear in the sky,  and the possible ending of the world as we know it and the one thing that pulls you out...   is a lack of a brothel?  

 

Community:  Yeah, but what about blood magic, you had that and now you're removing it. 

 

Bioware:  Do you think with the likes of Cullen, Cassandra and Lilianna that the inquisition would last 5 seconds if they found out you were using blood magic?  The only person who would probably support you (depending on how you used it) would be Solas.

Community: I don't know Bioware. They've permitted the involvement of Solas and Morrigan and neither of them have the only Mark in all of Thedas that can close rifts. You tell me. 

 

Bioware: You have a point . . . Hm. AHA! What about the chauvinism? You're chauvinist.

 

Community: Yeah, someone hijacked our keyboard there for a moment and put words in our mouths sorry.

 

Bioware: We're still trying not to upset people.

 

Community: You mean us? We're the representative entity of the community in this hypothetical dialog. You had this stuff in your two previous games so who are you trying to please? People who weren't playing? A relative handful of people on your forum? 

 

Bioware: (rubs neck) But um. Deaths and stuff. We included safe inoffensive darkness in our game. Isn't that good enough? 

 

Community: We guess . . . 

 

Bioware: Sorry.

 

Community: Aw we can't stay mad at you. 

 

(And thus the unhealthy codependent relationship between Bioware and Community continued for many an age. The sexuality of their love never being adequately being classified in the annals of . . .  Heh, did I say 'annals?' SHUT UP WE'RE TRYING TO BE MATURE HERE! Oh sorry. ) 

[Sully13]

got to love how we are "Bad people" fof not being offended by everything.

[MrSnoozer]

And they qualified the study for good reason. It could easily be the case that sex trafficking gets reported more in those countries because the sex workers are freer to come forward (since they aren't inherently doing anything illegal just by working in that business). They are very right to qualify their findings.

 

Community: I don't know Bioware. They've permitted the involvement of Solas and Morrigan and neither of them have the only Mark in all of Thedas that can close rifts. You tell me. 

 

Bioware: You have a point . . . Hm. AHA! What about the chauvinism? You're chauvinist.

 

Community: Yeah, someone hijacked our keyboard there for a moment and put words in our mouths sorry.

 

Bioware: We're still trying not to upset people.

 

Community: You mean us? We're the representative entity of the community in this hypothetical dialog. You had this stuff in your two previous games so who are you trying to please? People who weren't playing? A relative handful of people on your forum? 

 

Bioware: (rubs neck) But um. Deaths and stuff. We included safe inoffensive darkness in our games. Isn't that good enough? 

 

Community: I guess . . . 

 

Bioware: Sorry.

 

Community: Aw I can't stay mad at you. 

 

(And thus the unhealthy codependent relationship between Bioware and Community for many an age. The sexuality of their love never being adequately being classified in the annals of. Heh, did I say 'annals?' SHUT UP WE'RE TRYING TO BE MATURE HERE! Oh sorry. ) 

as soon as people bring up Patriachy as a form of complaint about a fantasy world , i just go 'wtf' . Put the book/comic/art/game/movie away even better yet wait for a review and don't buy it, it won't oppresse you.

 

All together people : Straight/Bi/etc is all great. Aslong as noone is taking away from you , we shouldn't complain about people asking for more. If straight men ask for more options thats fine , if non straight ask for more options thats fine also, same goes for women/trans folk. aslong as the game does not impose a non PC characters sexuality on you Its ok , and even then the most important part of it is if his/her sexuality fits the narrative thats fine. Not all characters/games need to fill Quota's.

[Sully13]

its because its not a thing.

[Nathair Nimheil]

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe there are conflicting scientific opinions on this

Divided by gender distributions fall into two bell curves. The curves overlap. That's data, not opinion.
 

Still, when I take a look around me (I don't claim that it's real science or anything), it seems to me that men are usually larger and stronger.

Science: “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”

[hellbiter88]

Divided by gender distributions fall into two bell curves. The curves overlap. That's data, not opinion.
 
Science: “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”

 

men are absolutely larger and stronger that's physiologically proven. what am I not getting here?

 

Unless you're a he-man like Aveline, but that's rarer, even in real life.

 

we're talking muscle right? not fat? cuz in Wisconsin ...... ....nvm.

[joejoe099]

Divided by gender distributions fall into two bell curves. The curves overlap. That's data, not opinion.
 
Science: “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”

 

You showed a chart that basis itself on weight alone, but not muscle mass. A chart that doesn't even cite its sources, only its origin. An origin i've tried to type in multiple times to no avail, but perhaps that's only human error on my parts. Regardless, there's no citation of sources for the information on the chart itself, nor an account of muscle-mass compared to simple fat-mass.

[Sully13]

Oh my fekin god. there are biological and phiseological differences between men and women.

in a test whith the strongest womanin the world arm wrestling an average waight lifter she lost. the video is on line some where.

 

but ets put it one way i play Rugby im 5;11 and pretty muscular i tend to wrestle my brother and can lift him pretty easy.

now if i was to plat against a male rugby player. id get creamed. 

why im smaller and lighter. its a fact of life.

[Nathair Nimheil]

men are absolutely larger and stronger that's physiologically proven. what am I not getting here?

Statistically, an average man is larger than an average woman. This means that if you pick a man at random and a woman at random the man will probably be larger than the woman but not always. Some men are shorter/weaker/whatever than the average woman. Some women are taller/stronger/whatever than the average man. It makes absolutely no sense to exclude individuals based solely on population averages.

[Nathair Nimheil]

You showed a chart that basis itself on weight alone, but not muscle mass. A chart that doesn't even cite its sources

That's not a real chart, it's a generic example of overlapping bell curves. I only posted it because I happened across it and it came with the explanation already made. Foolishly I hoped something as obvious as overlapping bell curves and the fact that averages don't dictate individuals wouldn't require any more than a quick reminder.

[Rannik]

Statistically, an average man is larger than an average woman. This means that if you pick a man at random and a woman at random the man will probably be larger than the woman but not always. Some men are shorter/weaker/whatever than the average woman. Some women are taller/stronger/whatever than the average man.

 

What are you trying to twist? That's exactly what he/she said, the average male human is taller and stronger than the average female human, these are a facts backed by tons of empirical evidence.

 

If someone has a problem with sexual dimorphism I suggest they start dealing with it ASAP, because it won't be changing anytime soon, and trying to turn it into some kind of political / gender / whatever bullshit (like renaming Wikipedia pages from "Sexual dimorphism in humans" to "Sex differences in humans" and filling it up with pseudo-scientific ****) issue won't matter, nature gives zero fraks about people and their precious feelings.

[Maverick827]

Did I miss something?  What does the size of people have to do with anything?

[Nathair Nimheil]

in a test whith the strongest womanin the world arm wrestling an average waight lifter she lost. the video is on line some where.

Good example. That is exactly what "the tails of the bell curve" means.

 

The question is simply this: is every single woman just too small and weak to join? If not then there is no reason to gender lock the military, it's just using averages as an excuse.
 

Too weak? I think not.

[jsachun]

Story writers are forcing you to romance their ugly bush piggy creations.

 

They are romance na..s

[joejoe099]

That's not a real chart, it's a generic example of overlapping bell curves. I only posted it because I happened across it and it came with the explanation already made. Foolishly I hoped something as obvious as overlapping bell curves and the fact that averages don't dictate individuals wouldn't require any more than a quick reminder.

 

You're trying to pass it off here as if it's a real chart. You're dismissing important parts of said charts that would change its entire outcome. Averages dictate would should be expected, but not what is demanded. What you're doing is trying to push that it's neither both. When you say things like...

 

Divided by gender distributions fall into two bell curves. The curves overlap. That's data, not opinion.
 
Science: “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”

 

While posting a chart that has no backing, or as you said is not a real chart, how can we consider it seriously when nothing its backing it?