1They are prostitutes
2They are prostitutes
3Some of them are male
4Yes they do talk,briefly.
5They are prostitutes,their job is to have sex with you.
Most of the men in DAO are just there to kill,and you can't talk to them at all,they are objects for killing,grunting bags of xp.
The only 2 prostitutes I could interact with at all in the blooming rose were male. (iirc)
Well there was a brothel, but it was at the conclave.
Wait a minute.
Are you saying Corypheus blew up the only brothel in the game?
The only pleasure house in the entire ****** game???
WHAT DA HELL
Why - WHY would someone even DO that. I cannot fathom.
I'm shocked. I'm beyond shocked. I'm disgusted. Shocked and disgusted. And a little bit saddened by this. Truly, this has been the most upsetting thing I have learned today.
As a matter of fact, the most upsetting thing in my entire gamer LIFE.
Alright. This magister has GOT to have some issues with prostitutes for having commited such a detestable crime.
What is it? Did he contract some STD back when he was still human? Did he unwillingly end up in bed with a transvesite, was butt sexed, liked it, someone found out, spread it around and he went down a spiral of self loath and depression? No, seriously, what was it?
There is nothing inherently wrong with a brothel irl or in a video game. But the way it was implemented falls into the 'women as objects trope' like Chorra's Din in Mass Effect or the strip clubs in GTA.
I'd like to see it come back for nostalgia's sake but it's probably best it's not here this time around.
Tropes are instantly evil now? What about the 'disposable gender' bioware does with all red-templars and venatori, two of the main enemies of the game? I mean, I don't like my gender misrepresented by pixels for half a minute, that'd be insulting! Let's also ignore all the men that were also in the brothels, or even the creepy female elves with extremely low voices.
I mean, it's not like you're looking at it, purposely putting a negative light over it from the start instead of looking at it as character flaws some one most rise over in a story.
The only 2 prostitutes I could interact with at all in the blooming rose were male. (iirc)
Remember the Pearl?
Way to throw away tradition Bioware!
Political correctness or Feminist take your pick
This might have required them to do more of Val Royeaux than an area the size of the mall food court.
What is it? Did he contract some STD back when he was still human? Did he unwillingly end up in bed with a transvesite, was butt sexed, liked it, someone found out, spread it around and he went down a spiral of self loath and depression? No, seriously, what was it?
Prostitute stole his bike.
And then three bears showed up and kicked his butt.
I wouldn't know, my warden went there to bang the dwarf not talk to the anyone, it's a brothel, they are paid to have sex with other people, not to ramble about their lives.
The "owner" of the pearl is a female btw, that must be blatant misandry?
I'd love to know how a program that moves some pixels around on a screen can become "problematic".
It's really nothing personal but I've had more than enough with the first one. I'm not in the habit of consuming propaganda and 20 minutes of some woman's sorry attempt at inductive reasoning using what is mostly factually wrong statements is certainly not "analysis" by any possible definition.
I rather waste my time playing videogames, at least they're fun (most of them anyway).
Tropes are instantly evil now? What about the 'disposable gender' bioware does with all red-templars and venatori, two of the main enemies of the game? I mean, I don't like my gender misrepresented by pixels for half a minute, that'd be insulting! Let's also ignore all the men that were also in the brothels, or even the creepy female elves with extremely low voices.
I mean, it's not like you're looking at it, purposely putting a negative light over it from the start instead of looking at it as character flaws some one most rise over in a story.
Sure, but were talking about brothels here. Please don't post things that have nothing to do with the topic at hand.
I didn't 'purposefully put it in a negative light.' The trope is negative. So is the one you mentioned. It negative because of the context within the stories we tell in the gaming comunity. If the aforementioned trope was rare this wouldn't be a problem.
What we gain from the brothel is a silly place that adds to the character of Thedas but it ADDS nothing essential I can think of. Where as it's place in the larger framework of the 'woman as set dressing' and 'woman as object' tropes are kind of a minus.
Why even have it in the game in the first place? What do we gain? It's silly and fun but not essential. It's fluff. No reason why Bioware can't trim the fat so to speak.
Skyhold having a brothel
Why does it need to be Skyhold? There are cities such as Denerim and Val Royeaux.
I didn't 'purposefully put it in a negative light.' The trope is negative. So is the one you mentioned. It negative because of the context within the stories we tell in the gaming comunity. If the aforementioned trope was rare this wouldn't be a problem.
What we gain from the brothel is a silly place that adds to the character of Thedas but it ADDS nothing essential I can think of. Where as it's place in the larger framework of the 'woman as set dressing' and 'woman as object' tropes are kind of a minus.
Why even have it in the game in the first place? What do we gain? It's silly and fun but not essential. It's fluff. No reason why Bioware can't trim the fat so to speak.
Tropes are tropes, they are made up to identify a recurring theme in media. They are neither negative nor positive. Because YOU believe they are negative does not make them negative.
What we gain in a brothel is its seedy elements. Thugs, vandals and criminals usually flock to these types of places. We can overhear conversations concerning damming evidence, we can meet a contact in public and discuss plans, we can hire the attendants to work for us and spy on their clientele. There are many things that can be done with a brothel from a writing perspective, and because it some how 'lessens women' to you does not make it fact. in fact, some might see it as empowering, taking money for doing next to nothing from disgusting men. Regardless, what YOUR personal view is doesn't disqualify the possible advantages of having a brothel in existence.
in fact, actual fluff would be 'sexuality in thedas' codex. It didn't need to be established, sexuality isn't a character trait nor had a history in thedas, it was never in questioned, so why include that? THATS fluff.
Bioware is starting to grow up.
Humbug! You're no fun! 
Bioware is starting to grow up.
grown up? Or bowing to SJW's? is SJW allowed on BSN? I haven't been around enough to know or not.
either case, growing up is realizing that brothels will, and kind of always will, exist.
BioWare either fights patriarchy and mysogyny along with the male gaze of evil objectification or brothel will be added in a DLC.
It is kinda strange though...
With so many empowered women all across Dragon Age who are in power, rule, rock&roll and overflow with awsome power of the dominating va-jayjay of absolute mastery, you'd think that there would at least be a place of male prostitution for women to express their sexual freedom?
Then again it seems that majority of those women prefer the company of other women...
Althoutgh... Showing men as mere slaves to women overlords would send a message of gender equality, after all patriarchy plagued the minds of men for ages and such images are needed to eradicate those malevolent female tropes from culture.
Seriously though, too many resourcestm must have been required to create a brothel, so they decided to use them on fetch quests instead.
Remember to check to your privilege mister white male supremacist!
lol maybe they will make a brothel d l c but do we need one ?
Skyhold upgrade - basement brothel for the tavern.
Cassandra would be happy, she would get sound effects for her "Swords&Shields" readings.
The rule is not about your perceived sexual identity, but your physical gender.
You're probably thinking about the things Iron Bull says when you're both drinking with Krem.
What he says to Cassandra is a little different. He says (and I'll try to reproduce this as faithfully as I can but the wiki is not up to speed yet.) "If a woman really wants to be a warrior she is simply made one and considered a man from then on." Cassandra responds "Even if she's a woman?" And Iron Bull says "In the Qun role is everything."
So basically you can just say you're the other gender if you want to fill a role thats reserved for that gender. Except, oh wait, its only when women want to be warriors because the wiki indicates thats the only time it happens. If a man really wanted to be a part of the matriarchy and wished to be declared a woman they'd say "Ha! Nice try. This is Dragon Age. We only do political correctness for women."
Seems the thread went in a completely different direction when I mentioned SJW's. Again, I don't know how BSN looks at people like that, and honestly, i'd like to know so i'd know if BSN is a welcoming place for me.
Regardless, getting back on topic, does it need one? No. Would it be nice? Yes. Why? Because of all the possible story elements and impacts it could have. Tropes should have no sway since they're tropes, things used to identify a common thing that repeats or is mildly similar in a way in media. They are neither good nor bad, just a reference point.
You can not agree with Sarkeesan all you want. But Propaganda has an agenda to further power. Sarkeesan is not trying to get anybody elected to any office. It's criticism plain and simple. Nothing wrong with that. Even Joss Whedon agreed that Sarkeesan had a point or two. And he's bonfide geek royalty. Man made Avengers.
And 'sorry attempt at inductive reasoning' implies that women are not capable of such. Would you say the same of Angry Joe?
Feminism is a legitimate lense through with to view culture. It's not the only one. But to say nothing can be problematic from a feminist POV is to not understand the point of Feminism.
Look. I know my Audience here. Trying to argue Feminist Theory with you would would be like debating the finer points of the Pauline Epistles with an Atheist.
But I figured I may as well throw in my two cents.
She outed herself. She's not relevant anymore.
https://twitter.com/...445611543363585
The quote: There’s no such thing as sexism against men. That's because sexism is prejudice + power. Men are the dominant gender with power in society
So yeah. We can ignore her how and focus on real feminists and gamers who have intelligent things to add to the discussion.
There is nothing inherently wrong with a brothel irl or in a video game. But the way it was implemented falls into the 'women as objects trope' like Chorra's Din in Mass Effect or the strip clubs in GTA.
I'd like to see it come back for nostalgia's sake but it's probably best it's not here this time around.
Even though in DA it's always had an equal number of female and male workers?
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