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[Kantr]

Anyone got a video (with subtitles) of the shrine of dumat. One where someone actually stands next to the crystals for as long as each one plays?

 

They have some interesting info on what cory thinks of the present day world.

[SabreTastic]

I don't have a video...but I do obsessively take screenshots of new dialogue so I should have most if not all of it. From an M!Mage!Trevelyan playthrough, a line or two seems to be class dependent, at least.

Spoiler

Awake, in a world twisted into perversion and ruin. Awake, only to discover the light of wisdom has gone black.

Samson has failed, but Calpernia stands ready.

Did the others never return from the Black City? There is no record even of our names!

We are vilified by legend. They spit on our deeds and claim we brought darkness into the world.

We discovered the darkness. We claimed it as our own, let it permeate our being.

If the others have not returned, they are lost. I am alone in my glory.

A slave girl who burned with potential, ignored by all save myself.

Her master did not see it. No one saw it. This world has gone craven and blind.

The Anchor is gone, taken by a mage of lesser gifts.

I shall descend on this Haven with fire and fury and take it back. Let us see what manner of "Herald" this age has bred.

Calpernia prepares to set foot in the place where regret dwells, to bring it into the light.

She cannot know what must be done, cannot understand. In time, she will forgive.

How does this age stand such desolation? They sing to a "Maker" who answers no prayers.

Once I have ascended, I will be their answer. I will be their Light.

[Kantr]

I don't have a video...but I do obsessively take screenshots of new dialogue so I should have most if not all of it. From an M!Mage!Trevelyan playthrough, a line or two seems to be class dependent, at least.

Spoiler

Awake, in a world twisted into perversion and ruin. Awake, only to discover the light of wisdom has gone black.

Samson has failed, but Calpernia stands ready.

Did the others never return from the Black City? There is no record even of our names!

We are vilified by legend. They spit on our deeds and claim we brought darkness into the world.

We discovered the darkness. We claimed it as our own, let it permeate our being.

If the others have not returned, they are lost. I am alone in my glory.

A slave girl who burned with potential, ignored by all save myself.

Her master did not see it. No one saw it. This world has gone craven and blind.

The Anchor is gone, taken by a mage of lesser gifts.

I shall descend on this Haven with fire and fury and take it back. Let us see what manner of "Herald" this age has bred.

Calpernia prepares to set foot in the place where regret dwells, to bring it into the light.

She cannot know what must be done, cannot understand. In time, she will forgive.

How does this age stand such desolation? They sing to a "Maker" who answers no prayers.

Once I have ascended, I will be their answer. I will be their Light.

Thanks! Does solas say anything interesting?

[merik3000]

Man I liked this mission as I thought it added more character to Cory but then I played through the Mages quest and saw what he did with the future and was sorely disappointed... He did absolutely nothing with all the power he gained and just allowed the world to fall into ruin... I mean I expected him to be a douche who becomes a tyrant god if he won but he literally just messes up the world and brings 20 times more chaos into it... A silent maker is 10 times better than a crazy darkspawn.

[myahele]

Yeah I almost start liking the guy and want him to succeed.....but I saw the future, so no.

[SabreTastic]

Thanks! Does solas say anything interesting?

 

No problem.

 

Unfortunately, I brought Dorian along instead--I figured maybe he could offer some 'Tevinter Insight.' There wasn't much, but in case you're curious:

 

Spoiler

There are similar places in Tevinter. Notice how you feel it in the back of your mind.

Look at that containment spell--it would hold a dozen pride demons.

 

Really, that whole 'The Elder One Conquered the World then Sat Around Eating Grapes' future was just...very odd. What was the point if that was all he was going to do? Though I got the impression (perhaps mistakenly) that he might not have actually been able to find a fallback plan to get into the Fade and really 'ascend' as he'd wanted.

[Lucky Thirteen]

[TheLastArchivist]

Maybe Cory thought going into the Fade would help him in his quest to become a God and...it didn't.

 

He searched whatever power he was looking for, didn't find it and when he tried to come back home, he realized he just locked himself in there - since he didn't have the Anchor to open a hole back to Thedas - , thus staying in the Fade against his wishes, left to rot for all eternity.

 

I dunno.

[merik3000]

To be honest I much prefered the Templars mission as it seemed a bit longer with more varied content. It's funny that after always playing a mage that due to DA2 I don't tend to support mages in general as they always seem to let me down but that may be due to supporting the mages in DA2 just leads to disaster as 99% percent of them were actually crazy blood mages... Hell in your party you have a naive blood mage who can potentially ruin her own clan by her blatant lack of any intelligence and a possessed mage (who must be able to be in two places at once according to my Awakening playthrough...) who turns a spirit of justice into a demon of vengeance and killed a bunch of people in a magic terrorist attack... or the kindly enchanter who happened to be best mates with the mad man that frankensteined your mother and then went mad and turned into a flesh golem.. ah man I've just realised I still have many examples of crazy mages who have never heard of logic or basic common sense...

 

Man DA2 kinda destroyed the whole morally grey vibe DAO started

[Fardreamer]

Man I liked this mission as I thought it added more character to Cory but then I played through the Mages quest and saw what he did with the future and was sorely disappointed... He did absolutely nothing with all the power he gained and just allowed the world to fall into ruin... I mean I expected him to be a douche who becomes a tyrant god if he won but he literally just messes up the world and brings 20 times more chaos into it... A silent maker is 10 times better than a crazy darkspawn.

 

To be fair, we only saw Southern Thedas.  Corypheus planned to revive and restore Tevinter.  So maybe things were better up north.

[Little Princess Peach]

where is the  Shrine of Dumat  Ive never seen it in game

[SabreTastic]

You can only get there if you side with the templars. It's the last step in the chain Leliana gives you regarding Calpernia. You get it in place of 'Before the Dawn' that Cullen gives you--if you've sided with the mages before.

[ZipZap2000]

..... sorry my mistake. BSN is making me stick within the quote as well for some reason editor must be playing up. 

[madrar]

I don't have a video...but I do obsessively take screenshots of new dialogue so I should have most if not all of it. From an M!Mage!Trevelyan playthrough, a line or two seems to be class dependent, at least.

Spoiler

A slave girl who burned with potential, ignored by all save myself.

Her master did not see it. No one saw it. This world has gone craven and blind.

 

This is a pretty damn interesting aside, depending on assumed context.  Have any theories come out of it?

[wolfhowwl]

In the Redcliffe quest wasn't there a journal entry about Corypheus trying to get Alexius to turn back time to before the Breach? It seems events spiralled out of control and he isn't happy ruling a world in ruins.

 

Also it is ridiculous that content characterizing the antagonist would be locked behind an early game choice and be on an optional quest. This was desperately needed in the main story.

[Clockwork_Wings]

I had thought what Morrigan said about Corypheus finding this world lacking was interesting.  Wish they had gone into more detail, they might have had something. 

 

We do only see a small portion of the bad future. It's possible that things didn't go into plan, and Corypheus really did want to bring about a golden age of prosperity as he saw it, with a chicken in every pot and two slaves for every mage...but it didn't that happen that way.  You know they say the definition of insanity is doing the same thing expecting a different result?  Maybe he should quit trying to break into the fade.

[Fardreamer]

I don't have a video...but I do obsessively take screenshots of new dialogue so I should have most if not all of it. From an M!Mage!Trevelyan playthrough, a line or two seems to be class dependent, at least.

Spoiler

Awake, in a world twisted into perversion and ruin. Awake, only to discover the light of wisdom has gone black.
Samson has failed, but Calpernia stands ready.
Did the others never return from the Black City? There is no record even of our names!
We are vilified by legend. They spit on our deeds and claim we brought darkness into the world.
We discovered the darkness. We claimed it as our own, let it permeate our being.
If the others have not returned, they are lost. I am alone in my glory.
A slave girl who burned with potential, ignored by all save myself.
Her master did not see it. No one saw it. This world has gone craven and blind.
The Anchor is gone, taken by a mage of lesser gifts.
I shall descend on this Haven with fire and fury and take it back. Let us see what manner of "Herald" this age has bred.
Calpernia prepares to set foot in the place where regret dwells, to bring it into the light.
She cannot know what must be done, cannot understand. In time, she will forgive.
How does this age stand such desolation? They sing to a "Maker" who answers no prayers.
Once I have ascended, I will be their answer. I will be their Light.

Is this slave girl referring to Andraste? Or someone else?

[Clockwork_Wings]

Calpernia?

 

Go to the templars for help, she takes Sampson's place.

[Fardreamer]

Calpernia?
 
Go to the templars for help, she takes Sampson's place.

Ah I haven't played the Templar side yet. So there's a whole new character introduced if you do?

[SabreTastic]

I just assumed it was Calpernia, and I'm not sure what 'potential' Corypheus is talking about, but I am curious as to what Madrar is referring to:

 

This is a pretty damn interesting aside, depending on assumed context.  Have any theories come out of it?

 

But yes, Calpernia is the 'Samson equivalent' you get if you foil Samson's attempt to take control of the templars. She is a mage who leads the Venatori against you. She was formerly a slave and Corypheus...'raised her up' and put her in command.

[OHB MajorV]

Isn't that the reason Cory didn't help Alexius son? Didn't he blame him for the failure of the new world because at that point Cory was convinced he needed your mark (this was pre-haven) and Alexius' actions in redcliffe made you disappear. So he never gained whatever it was he was looking for. At least that's how I understood it.

[Clockwork_Wings]

Isn't that the reason Cory didn't help Alexius son? Didn't he blame him for the failure of the new world because at that point Cory was convinced he needed your mark (this was pre-haven) and Alexius' actions in redcliffe made you disappear. So he never gained whatever it was he was looking for. At least that's how I understood it.

That's possible. We don't see what happens if the inquisitor fails, only if s/he disappears.

[Clockwork_Wings]

TVTropes WMG page for the series had an interesting theory: dragons are intelligent and the old gods are either the mages or the abominations.  I could get behind that.  I find the notion that after seven blights, they'll just...stop to be kind of a letdown.  An entire generation of awakened darkspawn, or the stunned silence of an eighth blight, that's got far more interesting potential for future plots.

[Heimdall]

TVTropes WMG page for the series had an interesting theory: dragons are intelligent and the old gods are either the mages or the abominations.  I could get behind that.  I find the notion that after seven blights, they'll just...stop to be kind of a letdown.  An entire generation of awakened darkspawn, or the stunned silence of an eighth blight, that's got far more interesting potential for future plots.

I kinda doubt we'll see the last Blight within this series.

If we did though, that'd just mean that instead of being drawn underground to search for the Old Gods they'll be free to act and go where they please, violent creatures without any sense of morality as they are... I find that far from boring.

[Kantr]

TVTropes WMG page for the series had an interesting theory: dragons are intelligent and the old gods are either the mages or the abominations.  I could get behind that.  I find the notion that after seven blights, they'll just...stop to be kind of a letdown.  An entire generation of awakened darkspawn, or the stunned silence of an eighth blight, that's got far more interesting potential for future plots.

The current crop arent smart.