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[OdanUrr]

... if you recruit the Templars? I've been wondering since I recruited the mages only.

[SpookyDjinn]

The Mages die. Including the Magister Alexius. However Fiona fights you at Haven, instead of the Red Templar boss.

[PorcelynDoll]

It just goes back to normal. The mages go to Tevinter and some join Cory to attack Haven, you will have to kill Fiona. Teagan gives you a mine for resources instead of asking for money to repair the damage the mages did.

[Reaver102]

... if you recruit the Templars? I've been wondering since I recruited the mages only.

I"ve been thinking about this, my guess is it becomes irrelevant.  The time magic relies on the breach to work and when you close it Alexius becomes useless to Corphywhatever.  As for Redcliffe itself I assume it is abandoned to fuel the assault on Haven.

[OdanUrr]

Oh, well, that's good and bad news at the same time. I mean, it would've been dumb to lock out Redcliffe if you recruited the Templars but I expected something to happen. Pity I'll miss the whole timey wimey plot.

[EdwinLi]

Side with Templars then...

 

1) the Rebel mages join Venatori

 

2) If Connor survived DAO without being possessed he will die in DAI for not siding with the Templars (He commits suicide to prevent himself from becoming a abomination)

 

3) Samson will be considered a failer because it was his plan to corrupt the templars with red Lyrium and since you stopped his plan Corytheus delt with him and chosen as Calpernia the Vessel due to her success with obtaining the Rebel Mages in Redcliff. (Samson's fate is unknown since there is no lore covering if he is still a live or not in Templar path)

 

4) The Mages who did not want to join the Venatori are either killed or put brainwashed into joining the Venatori. (Fiona was being brainwashed during the Battle of Haven)

 

5) Redcliff survives and Alistair and/or Anora assault Redcliff castle to retake redcliff.

 

5) Felix is assassinated by Vinatori agents for planning to help the Inquisitor.

[Knight of Dane]

Side with Templars then...

 

1) the Rebel mages join Venatori

 

2) If Connor survived DAO without being possessed he will die in DAI for not siding with the Templars (He commits suicide to prevent himself from becoming a abomination)

 

3) Samson will be considered a failer because it was his plan to corrupt the templars with red Lyrium and since you stopped his plan Corytheus delt with him and chosen as Calpernia the Vessel due to her success with obtaining the Rebel Mages in Redcliff. (Samson's fate is unknown since there is no lore covering if he is still a live or not in Templar path)

 

4) The Mages who did not want to join the Venatori are either killed or put brainwashed into joining the Venatori. (Fiona was being brainwashed during the Battle of Haven)

 

5) Redcliff survives and Alistair and/or Anora assault Redcliff castle to retake redcliff.

 

5) Felix is assassinated by Vinatori agents for planning to help the Inquisitor.

 

Varric's summary: "Well, s***..."

[sylvanaerie]

Ugh far worse than I had thought initially.  I was going to side templars for my 4th run, but now I don't think I will ever.  

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

On the bright side Redcliffe will always survived, but poor Connor.

[EdwinLi]

Ugh far worse than I had thought initially.  I was going to side templars for my 4th run, but now I don't think I will ever.  

 

It is just as bad with the Mage side since if you side with Mages...

 

1) Barris will try to leave Therinful Redoubt in hopes to join the Inquisition and he gather some templars to join him but his plan is discovered and Barris is killed by Red Templar Denam. 

 

2) All the other Templars that wanted to leave are murdered by the Red Templars or are given Red Lyrium and turned insane.

 

3) Caplania is dealt with because her plan to obtain the Rebel Mages failed and Samson is made the Vessel for his success in corrupting the Templar Oder into Red Templars. (It is unknown if she is still alive in Mage Path)

 

4) Any remaining Good Templars that did not reach the Inquisition and have yet to be corrupted by Red Lyrium will be killed or turned into Red Templars forcefully if they must. (Templars like Bryant and Keran are most likely killed)

 

In the end the choice is more about who do you want to save from a horrible death. 

 

Both sides have their Good and Bad members after all.

[sylvanaerie]

It is just as bad with the Mage side since if you side with Mages...

 

1) Barris will try to leave Therinful Redoubt in hopes to join the Inquisition and he gather some templars to join him but his plan is found it and Barris is killed by Red Templar Denam. 

 

2) All the other Templars that wanted to leave are murdered by the Red Templars or are given Red Lyrium and turned insane.

 

3) Caplania is dealt with because her plan to obtain the Rebel Mages failed and Samson is made the Vessel for his success in corrupting the Templar Oder into Red Templars.

 

4) Any remaining Good Templars that did not reach the Inquisition and have yet to be corrupted by Red Lyrium will be killed or turned into Red Templars forcefully if they must. (Templars like Bryant and Keran are most likely killed)

 

Yea, well, in a choice between the two, I've already gotten to know some of the particulars on the mage side.  Alexius, while I don't like what he did, I can sympathize with.  I mean, if given a choice what wouldn't you do for the sake of your child?  As a mother myself, I would do anything if I thought it would save the life of my kid.  I usually make Alexius an Agent with the Inquisition, even though, regardless of the side you choose, Felix dies.  At least he seems to accept that fate when you last speak to him.

 

I feel sorry for Barris and the few remaining sane templars, but not enough to tempt me.  Also I really, really enjoy the time travel aspect of the mages' quest.   

I may still do it for my Cassandra romancing Quizzie, but for now, I'm afraid the templars lose out in my games.

[RobRam10]

On the bright side Redcliffe will always survived, but poor Connor.

He deserved it.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

He deserved it.

For being a heretic who wouldn't submit to the Glorious Tevinter Imperium?

[Lucrece]

I could never kill Alistair's mom (Fiona). Fiona's quite the tragic character in my opinion, it started with the alienage and subsequent rape -- I don't blame her for the rebellion. Unlike Uncle Tom character that is Vivienne, she didn't have the luxury of ****** her way to the top as an alienage elf.

 

The Templars have had all the systematic and social support in the world and they fucked themselves over. Nobody basically lobotomized them or put them in a fancied up version of house arrest.

[Little Princess Peach]

On the bright side Redcliffe will always survived, but poor Connor.

kina makes you wonder why the heck you saved him in origins anyway

btw do you get to see is old's daughter if you killed off connor in da:o?

[Out to Lunch]

I think anyone willing to play more than once should try the Templar side, it's better integrated into the main story and it's a little more awesome. We finally get to experience what it's like to deal with demon possession and it's done well. The intro to Cole is great and without him no inquisitor would have defeated the envy demon/game over. In fact, I got too close to some magic flame and had a 'game over' and then learned that the envy demon fooled the world into believing they were me and basically made me the bloodiest monster of all time. Those I did not murder were enslaved. Those that survived, cursed my name through the ages. We get to hear Cory in his own voice talk about why he attacks Haven and his plans going forward. His vessel is a mage and her story is definitely more interesting than Samson's. You also get new war table assignments where you send your Templars out to do what they were originally meant to do-protect innocent mages even if it meant risking their lives.

 

Basically, while I think both story lines are well done, I loved the story arc on the Templar side.

 

Forgot to mention that I sided with the Templars as a Dalish mage

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

kina makes you wonder why the heck you saved him in origins anyway

btw do you get to see is old's daughter if you killed off connor in da:o?

Rowan?

Not even a slightest mention which is strange. I suppose BioWare retcon it, and if Connor is dead in DAO then no one will replace him.

[EdwinLi]

Yea, well, in a choice between the two, I've already gotten to know some of the particulars on the mage side.  Alexius, while I don't like what he did, I can sympathize with.  I mean, if given a choice what wouldn't you do for the sake of your child?  As a mother myself, I would do anything if I thought it would save the life of my kid.  I usually make Alexius an Agent with the Inquisition, even though, regardless of the side you choose, Felix dies.  At least he seems to accept that fate when you last speak to him.

 

I feel sorry for Barris and the few remaining sane templars, but not enough to tempt me.  Also I really, really enjoy the time travel aspect of the mages' quest.   

I may still do it for my Cassandra romancing Quizzie, but for now, I'm afraid the templars lose out in my games.

 

I find it hard to choose because I know there are good people on both Mages and Templar side. 

 

Both have their ups and downs but both choices seems to be good (well unless Barris dies in your playthingh if you do not help keep the Defend Main Hall Bar above 50% for the entire Champion of the Just Mission)

 

If there was more Templars like Barris the entire Mage vs Templar war could have been avoided. 

 

He also deserve his Promotion as the new Knight Commander of the Templar Order on Templar Path if he survived Champion of the Just.

 

 

Sad we can't talk to him in Skyhold if player chosen Templar path. It would have been nice to be able to talk to Barris and get a run down on how the Templars are adjusting like they did with Fiona on the Mage path.

[keesio74]

I was wondering this today as I went to do Champions of the Just. I know in helping one side, I am abandoning the other side. It sucks knowing there are good people in both sides. What I don't like from a gameplay perspective is that I wish I had a chance to also meet some of the Templars at Therinfal Redoubt before I make the choice like I can meet some of the Mages at Redcliffe. That way I know that something is very wrong and there are some good Templars (Barris, etc) that are questioning what is happening. Without this, IMHO it makes the Mage plight more sympathetic... especially because my Warden saved Connor in th DA:O and I remember Tegan and liked him. I have more ties to Redcliffe as a player and makes me want to help out vs some Templars I have no connection to.

[MACharlie1]

Side with Templars then...

 

1) the Rebel mages join Venatori

 

2) If Connor survived DAO without being possessed he will die in DAI for not siding with the Templars (He commits suicide to prevent himself from becoming a abomination)

 

3) Samson will be considered a failer because it was his plan to corrupt the templars with red Lyrium and since you stopped his plan Corytheus delt with him and chosen as Calpernia the Vessel due to her success with obtaining the Rebel Mages in Redcliff. (Samson's fate is unknown since there is no lore covering if he is still a live or not in Templar path)

 

4) The Mages who did not want to join the Venatori are either killed or put brainwashed into joining the Venatori. (Fiona was being brainwashed during the Battle of Haven)

 

5) Redcliff survives and Alistair and/or Anora assault Redcliff castle to retake redcliff.

 

5) Felix is assassinated by Vinatori agents for planning to help the Inquisitor.

ONLY in the future. We actually don't find out what happens to an unpossessed Connor if we side with the Templars. Something similar most likely.  

[zambingo]

I have no problem with either outcome. Both sides made their bed, anyone who stuck with them did so because they are weak, stupid or a zealot. Templars that didn't like what was happening left, see Cullen. Mages that didn't like what was happening refused to join, see Viv. There are less important character examples on both sides too. In a way I wish we could have sent an ultimatum to both sides; If you have any doubt about what you're doing, this is your chance to leave. The Inquisition is coming.

[ElementalFury106]

Side with Templars then...

 

1) the Rebel mages join Venatori

 

2) If Connor survived DAO without being possessed he will die in DAI for not siding with the Templars (He commits suicide to prevent himself from becoming a abomination)

 

3) Samson will be considered a failer because it was his plan to corrupt the templars with red Lyrium and since you stopped his plan Corytheus delt with him and chosen as Calpernia the Vessel due to her success with obtaining the Rebel Mages in Redcliff. (Samson's fate is unknown since there is no lore covering if he is still a live or not in Templar path)

 

4) The Mages who did not want to join the Venatori are either killed or put brainwashed into joining the Venatori. (Fiona was being brainwashed during the Battle of Haven)

 

5) Redcliff survives and Alistair and/or Anora assault Redcliff castle to retake redcliff.

 

5) Felix is assassinated by Vinatori agents for planning to help the Inquisitor.

 

2) Only in the "future."

 

5) Incorrect. Dorian says he dies of the Blight, the illness he's had for a while.

[Nykara]

I sided with the Templar's in the first play through. I don't recall having to kill Fiona though. Odd. I probably didn't even know who she was at the time. Oh well, this play through after now having played DA 2 finally I am going to side with the mages, to continue what my Hawke started. To swap now and side with the Templars would feel wrong. I finally have my Dragon Age keep in order knowing what each of the choices actually mean so I could do a full proper play through of DA:I. I am very much looking forward to it.

[keesio74]

I have no problem with either outcome. Both sides made their bed, anyone who stuck with them did so because they are weak, stupid or a zealot. Templars that didn't like what was happening left, see Cullen. Mages that didn't like what was happening refused to join, see Viv. There are less important character examples on both sides too. In a way I wish we could have sent an ultimatum to both sides; If you have any doubt about what you're doing, this is your chance to leave. The Inquisition is coming.

 

Both sides made their bed, yes. But there are people on both sides that deserve help. My complaint was that you can go to Redcliffe, BEFORE you make the choice, and scope things out and talk to some of them and also quickly see that they are being manipulated. But you can't see the Templar situation until AFTER you have committed to the choice of helping them. You don't meet the sympathetic characters (like Barris) beforehand and you don't understand that there is an external evil force involved until after you commit. So when you make the call for which side to help, all the info you have is the Templars strangly acting like a**holes or rebel mages being maipulated with a lot of synpathetic people in their ranks caught in the middle. If Bioware wanted to be truly balanced, they should have let you visit Therinfal Redoubt, just the outside, where you can talk to Barris a bit and read a few notes, before going back to the War Council to make the final call (just like you can with Redcliffe). My initial instinct is easily to help the Mages but I went Templar only because hidesight is 20/20 (spoilers)